Quote from: jacqmans on 10/02/2012 03:32 pmYea sure, and why was it possible to see everything inside the hangar in July 2011, even for foreign media, and get close to the Falcon rocket, and photograph everything you would like ..... And now they say we are not welcome anymore...that is the strange part of it....Have you contacted anyone about this? To the effect of why "Social media users selected to attend the SpaceX launch will be given the same access as journalists in an effort to align the access and experience of social media representatives with those of traditional media." when clearly social media are allowed to be non-U.S. AND be allowed on site: "International social media users without U.S. citizenship must apply for credentials to cover the prelaunch and launch activities by Wednesday, Sept 26. "http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/sep/HQ_12-336_Social_Media_Accred.htmlComplaining about it here won't change anything.
Yea sure, and why was it possible to see everything inside the hangar in July 2011, even for foreign media, and get close to the Falcon rocket, and photograph everything you would like ..... And now they say we are not welcome anymore...that is the strange part of it....
You haven't really answered my question and it's no longer clear to me what you're complaining about, either. Are you dissatisfied with the (in)ability to see or photograph hardware?
Can we please change this train of thought?
Keep in mind that 9/11 changed everything.
Also as I have said before this is "commercial" they can do most of what they wish.
My complaint is that, I, (as media from Europe) can not see (or photograph) the Falcon rocket on the launch pad, and can not set up a remote camera for launch.... US media can...What is the difference between US media and World media (other then that I'm born outside the USA.. (In other words if I give my camera's to a US reporter he can take them and shoot the images, and then return the camera to me... And then I use the images...)What would be the difference if I took those images myself that is the point I'm trying to make here... it makes no sense to rule out foreign media...if you can swap camera's...And to be clear, for any Air Force launch, Delta or Atlas, (a DOD mission or a commercial mission) I'm welcome at CCAFS, I get accreditation, can walk around the Rocket, set up a remote camera etc... (I can even drive my own car on site, something I can not do at KSC anymore, but that is a whole other story).....So the question is WHY is SpaceX doing this ? (As said before in July 2011 foreing media was welcome to photograph their rocket and take a look around their hangar at LC-41).So why rule out Foreing media now ?? What did we do or did not do
Maybe the customer requested it? CRS works under different rules than COTS? Just a guess.
What is the difference between US media and World media ?...So why rule out Foreing media now ?? What did we do or did not do
Quote from: Prober on 10/02/2012 06:58 pmCan we please change this train of thought? NO, it is a discussion thread, I'm intrested to read what others think...but ok I know 99% of you think with American glasses on......
Are you really trying to troll, or are you not getting it?
Presumably they don't want to deal with background checks for non-US citizens. It may not be for just ITAR or national security reasons, it could also be for corporate espionage reasons. (Harder to verify your identity)
But it doesn't matter - It is their rocket, their facility, their rules.
The outrage you feel is just bizarre to me, at it has nothing to do with "American blinders". I would not *expect* an American to have full access at a Russian pad, nor at a European pad. Does it happen anyway on occasion? Sure, and that's great. But your sense of entitlement is surprising.
Quote from: Lars_J on 10/02/2012 07:53 pmThe outrage you feel is just bizarre to me, at it has nothing to do with "American blinders". I would not *expect* an American to have full access at a Russian pad, nor at a European pad. Does it happen anyway on occasion? Sure, and that's great. But your sense of entitlement is surprising.It has everything to do with "Amarican blinders" and that funny ITAR rule you have.... If you look at photos of Soyuz launches you can see that (world, USA) media have the same access as Russian media, and even better then they have in the USA....
QuoteKeep in mind that 9/11 changed everything. That was 11 year ago... I think it is time to change again..
QuoteAlso as I have said before this is "commercial" they can do most of what they wish. You are right about that, but that does not mean they do the right thing....Jacques
Quote from: Lars_J on 10/02/2012 07:53 pmAre you really trying to troll, or are you not getting it? I think I do not get it then...But I think you do NOT get it.....QuotePresumably they don't want to deal with background checks for non-US citizens. It may not be for just ITAR or national security reasons, it could also be for corporate espionage reasons. (Harder to verify your identity) NASA does the media accreditation not SpaceX, and trust me the background checks are hard for foreign media.... and what is there to espionage for me what a US media guy can do (espionage) also.... QuoteBut it doesn't matter - It is their rocket, their facility, their rules. Yes you are right about that QuoteThe outrage you feel is just bizarre to me, at it has nothing to do with "American blinders". I would not *expect* an American to have full access at a Russian pad, nor at a European pad. Does it happen anyway on occasion? Sure, and that's great. But your sense of entitlement is surprising.It has everything to do with "Amarican blinders" and that funny ITAR rule you have.... If you look at photos of Soyuz launches you can see that (world, USA) media have the same access as Russian media, and even better then they have in the USA....
The State Department believes there's a difference between US citizens and non-US citizens. That's the difference.