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According to various Chinese media reports, China is going to launch as many as 18 BeiDou-3 satellites by the end of 2018 to achieve IOC. Launch of BeiDou-3 satellites will resume starting 2017, we can anticipate a very ambiguous launch plan for the following two years.

 
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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3C/YZ-1 - XSLC - 2017
« Reply #1 on: 01/14/2017 09:40 pm »
Likely this launch will be in June.

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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3C/YZ-1 - XSLC - June 2017
« Reply #2 on: 05/10/2017 08:36 pm »
This launch is expected on July 15th...

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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3C/YZ-1 - XSLC - July 15th 2017
« Reply #3 on: 06/20/2017 08:40 pm »
Likely this launch will be deferred following the failure of ZX-9A.

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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3C/YZ-1 - XSLC - July 15th 2017
« Reply #4 on: 06/21/2017 01:52 pm »
Likely this launch will be deferred following the failure of ZX-9A.

It won't

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/xmhpqx6XsXnFwBx0P47n3w
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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3C/YZ-1 - XSLC - July 15th 2017
« Reply #5 on: 06/29/2017 12:46 pm »
Please pardon my confusion. 

From Gunter's, it appears that the Beidou-3M -series satellites can be launched ONE AT A TIME by the CZ-03*C*/YZ-1; if they are launched in PAIRS, they are to be launched on a CZ-03*B*/YZ-1.

Am I misunderstanding Gunter, is Gunter misunderstanding the Chinese, or do "we" not understand anything about this particular launch?!?!

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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3C/YZ-1 - XSLC - July 15th 2017
« Reply #6 on: 06/29/2017 01:05 pm »
Please pardon my confusion. 

From Gunter's, it appears that the Beidou-3M -series satellites can be launched ONE AT A TIME by the CZ-03*C*/YZ-1; if they are launched in PAIRS, they are to be launched on a CZ-03*B*/YZ-1.

Am I misunderstanding Gunter, is Gunter misunderstanding the Chinese, or do "we" not understand anything about this particular launch?!?!

The launcher is CZ-3B, according to Long Lehao
http://www.dingsheng.com/forum.php?mod=viewtree&tid=1004213

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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3B/YZ-1 - XSLC - July 15th 2017
« Reply #7 on: 07/15/2017 05:46 pm »
I take it the launch has been delayed from July 15? (It's very early morning July 16 Beijing Time.)
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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3B/YZ-1 - XSLC - July 15th 2017
« Reply #8 on: 07/15/2017 11:26 pm »
I take it the launch has been delayed from July 15? (It's very early morning July 16 Beijing Time.)
Yes it appears CZ-3 launcher family has been grounded so all launches this year should now be marked as TBD.

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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3B/YZ-1 - XSLC - July 15th 2017
« Reply #9 on: 07/16/2017 04:56 am »
I take it the launch has been delayed from July 15? (It's very early morning July 16 Beijing Time.)
No further information, but someone in the Chinese forum said it would be NET late July
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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3B/YZ-1 - XSLC - NET July 2017
« Reply #10 on: 07/23/2017 04:10 am »
Considering YuanWang 3/5/6/7 have returned, BeiDou-3 will not launch in the coming weeks
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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3B/YZ-1 - XSLC - 2017
« Reply #11 on: 07/25/2017 12:15 am »
A picture taken by a tourist maybe in July 19 shown no rocket in LP-3
And we already know LP-2 is empty also
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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3B/YZ-1 - XSLC - 2017
« Reply #12 on: 07/25/2017 12:53 am »
A picture taken by a tourist maybe in July 19 shown no rocket in LP-3
And we already know LP-2 is empty also
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http://photo.weibo.com/1955174573/wbphotos/large/mid/4131472002523803/pid/748998adgy1fhpy47gtjfj20qo0zkn8k
LC3 is still configured for CZ-2C with its adapter still on the pedestal from the stacking test at least since the last time the service gantries were partially opened a couple of months ago.

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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3B/YZ-1 - XSLC - 2017
« Reply #13 on: 07/25/2017 02:03 am »
A picture taken by a tourist maybe in July 19 shown no rocket in LP-3
And we already know LP-2 is empty also
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http://photo.weibo.com/1955174573/wbphotos/large/mid/4131472002523803/pid/748998adgy1fhpy47gtjfj20qo0zkn8k
LC3 is still configured for CZ-2C with its adapter still on the pedestal from the stacking test at least since the last time the service gantries were partially opened a couple of months ago.
I can not find the adapter, the pedestal configuration is almost the same as that picture taken last year
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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3B/YZ-1 - XSLC - 2017
« Reply #14 on: 09/06/2017 01:57 pm »
This article said the CZ-3B/YZ-1 will be launched very soon
http://news.dayoo.com/guangdong/201709/06/139996_51751033.htm
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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3B/YZ-1 - XSLC - 2017
« Reply #15 on: 09/06/2017 06:43 pm »
This article said the CZ-3B/YZ-1 will be launched very soon
http://news.dayoo.com/guangdong/201709/06/139996_51751033.htm

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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3B/YZ-1 - XSLC - 2017
« Reply #16 on: 09/10/2017 02:47 am »
A local travel agency reported that Xichang's plan to launch a rocket on 29th night. I'm not sure if this will be a BeiDou-3 mission
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/MT48TgNxSf8FdbivgRK9ag
Looks like Yuanwang-3 is leaving the port
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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3B/YZ-1 - XSLC - September 29, 2017
« Reply #17 on: 09/17/2017 06:35 pm »
Launch to apparently to take place on September 29.

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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3B/YZ-1 - XSLC - September 29, 2017
« Reply #18 on: 09/18/2017 04:28 am »
Launch to apparently to take place on September 29.
What's your source?
During the Global Navigation Satellite System and Location Based Service Association of China (GLAC), CCTV had an interview with BDS chief designer, he said the first pair of BD-3 may be launched next month
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Launch to apparently to take place on September 29.
What's your source?
During the Global Navigation Satellite System and Location Based Service Association of China (GLAC), CCTV had an interview with BDS chief designer, he said the first pair of BD-3 may be launched next month
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北斗卫星导航系统副总设计师 冉承其:计划是在2020年全部建成,我们所有的核心技术,包括产品我们都已经开始研制生产,具备条件,大概下个月就会开始,我们组网的第一组卫星的发射。
http://www.chinanews.com/gn/2017/09-17/8333065.shtml

The date is from 9ifly where people are quoting local tour operators at Xichang that there will be a launch on that day, and this one is the most obvious candidate.

Of course, this launch could have slipped since then, or that it's for another payload (if so, no one really have any idea of which one!  :-X).....
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« Last Edit: 09/28/2017 07:27 pm by Satori »
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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3B/YZ-1 - XSLC - September 29, 2017
« Reply #21 on: 09/18/2017 11:53 am »
Now, it plans to launch in November
http://scitech.people.com.cn/n1/2017/0918/c1007-29542888.html

Thank you! I'll assume this will be the first of two pairs of Beidou-3 sats still schedule for 2017.
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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3B/YZ-1 - XSLC - September 29, 2017
« Reply #22 on: 09/18/2017 12:15 pm »
China to launch more BeiDou-3 satellites in 2017

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BEIJING, Sept. 18 (Xinhua) -- More BeiDou-3 satellites will be launched in November 2017, according to a senior designer of the satellite navigation system.

By the end of this year, two more groups of BeiDou-3 satellites will be sent into space, said Ran Chengqi of state-owned Beidou Navigation Satellite System on Monday at a high-tech forum.

The satellite navigation system will provide services for Belt and Road countries around 2018, and form a complete global satellite navigation system by 2020, said Ran. BeiDou-3's position accuracy is less than five meters, he said.

Currently, the system is able to provide open services to the Asia-Pacific region. China is the third country to develop a satellite navigation system after the United States and Russia.

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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3B/YZ-1 - XSLC - September 29, 2017
« Reply #23 on: 09/18/2017 12:17 pm »
Now, it plans to launch in November
http://scitech.people.com.cn/n1/2017/0918/c1007-29542888.html

Thank you! I'll assume this will be the first of two pairs of Beidou-3 sats still schedule for 2017.


Or probably the second pair...

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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3B/YZ-1 - XSLC - November 2017
« Reply #24 on: 09/28/2017 07:25 pm »
Chinaspaceflight.com is given November 12 as the launch date for the first pair of Beidou-3 sats launch.

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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3B/YZ-1 - XSLC - November 2017
« Reply #25 on: 10/16/2017 02:35 pm »
A insider said Nov. 3 in 9ifly forum
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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3B/YZ-1 - XSLC - November 2017
« Reply #26 on: 10/16/2017 02:41 pm »
A insider said Nov. 3 in 9ifly forum

Here's the source.

This actually make more sense with respect to the timing that the tracking ships are heading to the South Pacific again for this part of the launch season (Yuan Wang 7 departed on October 11 with 3 and 6 to leave later).
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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3B/YZ-1 - XSLC - November 3, 2017
« Reply #27 on: 10/17/2017 06:57 pm »
This launch should be the CZ-3B "return to flight" after the partial launch failure of ZX-9A on June 18, 2017.
(see launch thread here)
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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3B/YZ-1 - XSLC - November 3, 2017
« Reply #29 on: 10/25/2017 12:42 pm »
CCTV reports the YuanWang fleet is preparing for this launch
http://video.sina.com.cn/p/news/o/doc/2017-10-25/200067334507.html
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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3B/YZ-1 - XSLC - November 3, 2017
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The launch is now on November 5 according to Chinese sources.
Also the BDS office has confirmed that their next pair of satellites will be launched in early November so the payload are also identified.  :)
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Re: BeiDou-3 M1&M2 - CZ-3B/YZ-1 - XSLC - November 5, 2017
« Reply #32 on: 10/29/2017 12:06 pm »
Ready to launch. The photo is taken today
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This air space closure notice seems to be related to this launch:

A3292/17 - A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY: N180540E1115053-N184350E1111900-N181640E1104331-N173836E1111528 BACK TO START.VERTICAL LIMITS:SFC-UNL. SFC - UNL, 05 NOV 11:30 2017 UNTIL 05 NOV 12:03 2017. CREATED: 02 NOV 02:33 2017


Launch time would then be around 11:40 UTC.
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This air space closure notice seems to be related to this launch:

A3292/17 - A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY: N180540E1115053-N184350E1111900-N181640E1104331-N173836E1111528 BACK TO START.VERTICAL LIMITS:SFC-UNL. SFC - UNL, 05 NOV 11:30 2017 UNTIL 05 NOV 12:03 2017. CREATED: 02 NOV 02:33 2017


Launch time would then be around 11:40 UTC.
This looks like the fairing debris area for CZ-3B for Compass M3/M4 in April 2012

Launch time was 16 minutes after closure start time


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It seems there will be a commercial live coverage for this launch, maybe Kris Wu will show up in this event ;)
Unfortunately I will have a class in the launch time, can't watch it
http://x.pps.tv/room/160855

Source: https://weibo.com/5618331923/Ftz3vs3oh?type=comment#_rnd1509855570852
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The launch time is said to be 19:34 Beijing = 11:34 UTC.
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It seems there will be a commercial live coverage for this launch, maybe Kris Wu will show up in this event ;)
Unfortunately I will have a class in the launch time, can't watch it
http://x.pps.tv/room/160855

Source: https://weibo.com/5618331923/Ftz3vs3oh?type=comment#_rnd1509855570852

It looks like they don't have a good enough signal to keep continuous coverage anyway so just forget about the link. :-\

T-0 is apparently at 11:34 UTC.

<Slightly OT background info> About this Kris Wu guy - he's a Chinese actor who was a former member of one of the most famous K-POP groups (and probably one of the very few Chinese who made to the forefront of Korean pop). He's currently in Xichang for a charity event (Xichang is one of China's poorest places and IIRC many are living below the $1 US poverty line).

Sorry for the digress....  ;) </Slightly OT background info>
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Nope, T-0 is still around 10 minutes away.  :P

Also note that due to direct orbit injection we might not see official confirmation of launch until 4 hours after liftoff.  ;)
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Oh, liftoff confirmed!
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the launch took place?
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Rui's article:
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2017/11/long-march-3b-returns-dual-beidou-3-mission/

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The debris zone notice confirmed the launchcode 07-80
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A better launch video taken by a guy risking his life...
https://weibo.com/tv/v/FtInxCFjB?fid=1034:5faaefd9196acf944d85362af1594bfd
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Good news! Thanks for keeping an eye on the Chinese media ;D

Rui's article updated to successful launch:
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2017/11/long-march-3b-returns-dual-beidou-3-mission/
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I'm confused by the nomenclature here. Beidou-3 M1-S and M2-S were launched in Jul 2015. Now these are Beidou-3 M1 and M2?  What was the significance of the -S on the previous Beidou-3 launches (and do we have a Chinese source for the M1 and M2 designations?)
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I'm confused by the nomenclature here. Beidou-3 M1-S and M2-S were launched in Jul 2015. Now these are Beidou-3 M1 and M2?  What was the significance of the -S on the previous Beidou-3 launches (and do we have a Chinese source for the M1 and M2 designations?)

(1) Some earlier sources indicates that -S stands for shiyan (Experimental in Chinese)
(2) Haven't seen an official name for these two yet - in fact I wish the Chinese can stick with a consistent naming conventions for their BDS satellites! I mean, you have GPS SVN XX, GLONASS-M #7XX and Galileo GSAT0XXX, but for BeiDou the only "reliable" way to call the individual satellites is by calling them the "nth satellite".  ???

Also a small rant - apparently the only one-stop place I have seen of getting the status and almanac of the BeiDou satellites is from.....the official GLONASS website! I am also waiting for public BeiDou status messages to appear (I mean, I'm about to get a new smart phone tomorrow that can use all "Big 4" navsat constellations, yet it's harder to get info on 1 of these 4).  :-\
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18 Beidou-3 satellites to be launched in 2018
http://www.chinanews.com/gn/2017/11-06/8369073.shtml

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These are the first and second Beidou-3 satellites after the launch in 2015/2016 of 5 test satellites
http://www.beidou.gov.cn/2017/11/06/201711060795927914fb4b328b4b1e3550acb6e7.html

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Launch time: 19:45:04.244(UTC+8)
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You can see that the two satellites are marked as "MEO-1" & "MEO-2" on the display screen of the LCC.  ;)
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Long March-3B launches two BeiDou-3 satellites

Two BeiDou-3 satellites were launched by a Long March-3B launch vehicle from the Xichang Satellite Launch Center, Sichuan province, on 5 November 2017, at 11:45 UTC (19:45 local time). To expand the BeiDou Navigation Satellite System, China plans to launch 18 BeiDou-3 satellites by the end of 2018.

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You can see that the two satellites are marked as "MEO-1" & "MEO-2" on the display screen of the LCC.  ;)

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Warning for 1st stage debris from "07-80" in Debao county, Guangxi province
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Interesting rocket debris museum in nearby Tiandeng
(debris shown on picture below  apparently come from M1-S/M2-S launch)
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CZ-3B / YZ-1
PLA Television 
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4 objects have been cataloged by USSTRATCOM:

2017-069A/43001 in 21507 x 22189 km x 55.00°  (M1?)
2017-069B/43002 in 21551 x 22193 km x 55.01° (M2?)
2017-069C/43003 in 22190 x 22447 km x 54.84° (YZ-1?)
2017-069D/43004 in  175 x 18212 km x 55.02° (3rd stage?)
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Two Line Element Set (TLE)

OBJECT A
1 43001U 17069A   17309.73377646 +.00000073 +00000-0 +00000-0 0  9994
2 43001 055.0046 168.2883 0120778 179.0437 239.4708 01.83069821000025

OBJECT B
1 43002U 17069B   17310.68697418  .00000062  00000-0  00000+0 0  9990
2 43002  55.0037 168.2625 0115424 176.5584 149.5171  1.82882938    34

YZ-1 R/B
1 43003U 17069C   17309.69964912 +.00000065 +00000-0 +00000-0 0  9990
2 43003 054.8392 168.2900 0044837 353.2473 041.7800 01.78591692000011

CZ-3B R/B
1 43004U 17069D   17309.85191961 +.00008451 -82148-6 +10000-3 0  9996
2 43004 055.0166 168.1600 5791425 170.0555 210.2104 04.46790571000029
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2017.11.05  Well seen in the photo  CZ-3B Y46/YZ-1 Y4
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