Author Topic: Planned and actual locations of spacecrafts landings  (Read 65482 times)

Offline anik

  • Global Moderator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7793
  • Liked: 993
  • Likes Given: 381
I have made map in Google Maps and file for Google Earth with planned and actual locations of landings of Soyuz spacecrafts beginning from Soyuz TM-12.
« Last Edit: 10/31/2013 10:04 am by anik »

Offline Stan Black

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3132
  • Liked: 382
  • Likes Given: 230
Re: Planned and actual locations of spacecrafts landings
« Reply #1 on: 10/18/2009 12:17 pm »
I have made map in Google Maps and file for Google Earth with planned and actual locations of landings of Soyuz spacecrafts beginning from Soyuz TM-12.

Nicely done...

The three ballistic TMA are easy to find...

That main cluster, wonder if that will affect property prices.

Offline anik

  • Global Moderator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7793
  • Liked: 993
  • Likes Given: 381
Re: Planned and actual locations of spacecrafts landings
« Reply #2 on: 10/18/2009 03:13 pm »
I have added into map and file actual locations of landings of Soyuz-1, Soyuz-11, Soyuz-18-1, Soyuz-19 and from Soyuz-25 to Soyuz-34.

Offline glanmor05

  • BWFC Fan
  • Full Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 442
  • It's not all tea and medals!
  • Blackpool, England
  • Liked: 28
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: Planned and actual locations of spacecrafts landings
« Reply #3 on: 10/18/2009 03:29 pm »
Love maps like this.  Thanks for posting.

Prompts a question.  There  are some fairly large bodies of water on that map. 

What happens if they land in there (apart from the splash, obviously)?

and in order to avoid that, is there any ability to steer (or even see where to steer to) flowing shoot deploy?
"Through struggles, to the stars."

Offline Stan Black

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3132
  • Liked: 382
  • Likes Given: 230
Re: Planned and actual locations of spacecrafts landings
« Reply #4 on: 10/18/2009 04:21 pm »
Love maps like this.  Thanks for posting.

Prompts a question.  There  are some fairly large bodies of water on that map. 

What happens if they land in there (apart from the splash, obviously)?

and in order to avoid that, is there any ability to steer (or even see where to steer to) flowing shoot deploy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_23
http://www.videocosmos.com/soyuz23.shtm
« Last Edit: 10/18/2009 04:22 pm by Stan Black »

Offline glanmor05

  • BWFC Fan
  • Full Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 442
  • It's not all tea and medals!
  • Blackpool, England
  • Liked: 28
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: Planned and actual locations of spacecrafts landings
« Reply #5 on: 10/18/2009 04:24 pm »
Love maps like this.  Thanks for posting.

Prompts a question.  There  are some fairly large bodies of water on that map. 

What happens if they land in there (apart from the splash, obviously)?

and in order to avoid that, is there any ability to steer (or even see where to steer to) flowing shoot deploy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_23
http://www.videocosmos.com/soyuz23.shtm

Wow, great story.  Thanks for the reply. 

Shows how little I know.
"Through struggles, to the stars."

Offline TJL

  • Extreme Veteran
  • Full Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1471
  • Liked: 181
  • Likes Given: 229
Re: Planned and actual locations of spacecrafts landings
« Reply #6 on: 12/05/2009 10:40 pm »
Great map, Anik.
Speaking of Soyuz landings, prior to TMA 15, which was the last Soyuz to come to rest on its heat shield (not on its side)?
Thanks!

Offline hop

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3352
  • Liked: 559
  • Likes Given: 891
Re: Planned and actual locations of spacecrafts landings
« Reply #7 on: 12/05/2009 10:50 pm »
Great map, Anik.
Speaking of Soyuz landings, prior to TMA 15, which was the last Soyuz to come to rest on its heat shield (not on its side)?
Nitpick: TMA 15 landed upright, but the heat shield is jettisoned long before landing.

Offline Gorizont

  • Member
  • Full Member
  • **
  • Posts: 202
  • Germany
  • Liked: 1
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: Planned and actual locations of spacecrafts landings
« Reply #8 on: 12/06/2009 06:46 am »
Great story of the Soyuz-23 landing! Thanks for that!

greetings...
Soeren

Offline TJL

  • Extreme Veteran
  • Full Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1471
  • Liked: 181
  • Likes Given: 229
Re: Planned and actual locations of spacecrafts landings
« Reply #9 on: 12/06/2009 07:21 pm »
That's right...thanks for the correction, hop.
Do you happen to know which Soyuz prior to TMA-15 landed upright?

Offline Comga

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6819
  • Liked: 4988
  • Likes Given: 6562
Re: Planned and actual locations of spacecrafts landings
« Reply #10 on: 12/11/2010 07:23 pm »
Just found this (one year later) and think it is terrific.  Thank you.

Do you have a statistical analysis of the dispersion, the RMS offset?

The map shows the TMA-16 landing "pin" in or on a 3-5 km lake, but TM-23 landing marked in a field.  Soyuz 23 was the one that landed in Lake Tengiz, but I see no pin on a lake marked Tengiz in Cyrillic in Google Maps.  Am I mistaken?
 
Some target points are near the shores of various lakes.  After Soyuz-23 one would think they would give wide margin to bodies of water.
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

Offline hop

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3352
  • Liked: 559
  • Likes Given: 891
Re: Planned and actual locations of spacecrafts landings
« Reply #11 on: 12/11/2010 09:39 pm »
Here's the kmz file (as of Dec 11) converted to a CSV for anyone who's interested.

Offline AnalogMan

  • Member
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3462
  • Cambridge, UK
  • Liked: 1649
  • Likes Given: 56
Re: Planned and actual locations of spacecrafts landings
« Reply #12 on: 12/12/2010 01:48 am »
For interest I plotted differences between actual and planned landing positions (in km) for TM-12 to TM-34 and TMA-2 to TMA-19 (excluding outliers TMA-1, TMA-10 and TMA-11) , and also a quick histogram of distance between actual and planned.  There is some interest in the SpaceX threads on this topic.

Excluding outliers (all in km):

average     13.1
minimum     2.7
maximum     49.7
median      9.6
stdev       10.1


Thanks to Anik for the original data, and Hop for providing it in easy to use form.
« Last Edit: 12/12/2010 01:51 am by AnalogMan »

Offline hop

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3352
  • Liked: 559
  • Likes Given: 891
Re: Planned and actual locations of spacecrafts landings
« Reply #13 on: 12/12/2010 02:38 am »
Nice. Looks like ~5km SW "Kentucky windage" is in order ;)

Offline Comga

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6819
  • Liked: 4988
  • Likes Given: 6562
Re: Planned and actual locations of spacecrafts landings
« Reply #14 on: 12/13/2010 01:53 am »
I have a very similar bar chart, AnalogMan.
The first plot is fascinating.  They are mostly to the East, and preferentially to the North.
I might try to redo the second plot if, from the first plot, we assume a deterministic offset of 9 km East and 2 km North.

I noticed something odd in the data.  Until TM-27, all data is in integral units of minutes of latitude and longitude.  After that, the "planned" remain rounded but the "actuals" are usually in integral units of seconds of latitude and longitude.  Sometimes they have more resolution than that, but for this calculation that doesn't matter.   That is, the "planned" locations have random errors due to round-off, on the order of 1 km, with an expected value about half that. 

I do not believe that this is significant to the statistics in question.  Random single kilometers when most offsets are 10 km or over, should not matter.  The minimum offset of 2.7 km is not due to round-off.  However I am rusty on my stats and would appreciate correction by anyone who is not.
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

Offline Lars_J

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6160
  • California
  • Liked: 678
  • Likes Given: 195
Re: Planned and actual locations of spacecrafts landings
« Reply #15 on: 12/13/2010 03:18 am »
I have a very similar bar chart, AnalogMan.
The first plot is fascinating.  They are mostly to the East, and preferentially to the North.

That's probably because the way the orbital track is lined up for deorbits. (going from south-west to north-east). This would seem to imply that most Soyuz landings overshoot their target.

Offline anik

  • Global Moderator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7793
  • Liked: 993
  • Likes Given: 381
Re: Planned and actual locations of spacecrafts landings
« Reply #16 on: 12/14/2010 07:45 pm »
The map shows the TMA-16 landing "pin" in or on a 3-5 km lake, but TM-23 landing marked in a field. Soyuz 23 was the one that landed in Lake Tengiz, but I see no pin on a lake marked Tengiz in Cyrillic in Google Maps. Am I mistaken?

Soyuz-23 and Soyuz TM-23 are different spacecrafts.

I noticed something odd in the data. Until TM-27, all data is in integral units of minutes of latitude and longitude. After that, the "planned" remain rounded but the "actuals" are usually in integral units of seconds of latitude and longitude

Planned coordinates are always given in rounded minutes. Actual coordinates can be rounded to minutes or have seconds - it depends on equipment used for determination of coordinates. Now we are using GPS data for determination so coordinates have seconds.

Offline Comga

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6819
  • Liked: 4988
  • Likes Given: 6562
Re: Planned and actual locations of spacecrafts landings
« Reply #17 on: 01/26/2011 09:34 pm »
Soyuz-23 and Soyuz TM-23 are different spacecrafts.

My mistake.

Target coordinates before TM-12, and either target or actual for most of the predeceding landings, are not available?

Thanks again.  This is great information.
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

Offline anik

  • Global Moderator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7793
  • Liked: 993
  • Likes Given: 381
Re: Planned and actual locations of spacecrafts landings
« Reply #18 on: 01/28/2011 08:17 am »
Target coordinates before TM-12, and either target or actual for most of the predeceding landings, are not available?

Yes, all what I know is in the file.

Offline simonbp

  • Science Guy
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7138
  • Liked: 315
  • Likes Given: 183

Tags:
 

Advertisement NovaTech
Advertisement
Advertisement Margaritaville Beach Resort South Padre Island
Advertisement Brady Kenniston
Advertisement NextSpaceflight
Advertisement Nathan Barker Photography
1