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Re: Prospective Russian HLVs
« Reply #260 on: 07/10/2018 07:45 am »
Never underestimate Russians - they always have a few spare aces under the sleave. Roscosmos under new management would receive a lot of funding from Department of Defence - back to USSR. And Russian industry got a lot of brand new state of the art machinery from the West to compensate for collapse of Soviet machine building industry.
There is a good old Russian proverb that Russians usually spent a lot of time to prepare horses for racing but as soon as they ready they usually quick enough to win the horse race :)
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Re: Prospective Russian HLVs
« Reply #261 on: 07/10/2018 11:54 am »
Never underestimate Russians - they always have a few spare aces under the sleave. Roscosmos under new management would receive a lot of funding from Department of Defence - back to USSR. And Russian industry got a lot of brand new state of the art machinery from the West to compensate for collapse of Soviet machine building industry.
There is a good old Russian proverb that Russians usually spent a lot of time to prepare horses for racing but as soon as they ready they usually quick enough to win the horse race :)

Sounds more like they are starving the horse...
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Re: Prospective Russian HLVs
« Reply #262 on: 07/10/2018 01:27 pm »
Never underestimate Russians - they always have a few spare aces under the sleave. Roscosmos under new management would receive a lot of funding from Department of Defence - back to USSR. And Russian industry got a lot of brand new state of the art machinery from the West to compensate for collapse of Soviet machine building industry.
There is a good old Russian proverb that Russians usually spent a lot of time to prepare horses for racing but as soon as they ready they usually quick enough to win the horse race :)

Sounds more like they are starving the horse...
In mid-90s they tried to kill a proverbial goose that lays golden eggs. IMHO it is not a case right now - Russia missed a golden moment of opportunity in 2004-2014 when Russian space agency had enough money to do something useful. Unfortunately, lack of vision, lost of Soviet-era Know-How and generation gap in workforce cause decline of Russian space exploration program as predicted by Elon MASK Russia around 2015 cannibalized all Soviet inheritance without creating a brand new national capability in the space program. Now on top of everything BAU - lack of funding :(
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Re: Prospective Russian HLVs
« Reply #263 on: 09/18/2018 07:30 am »
SHLV Development had been funded as special purpose state program with dedicated funding outside of Federal Space Program FSP 2016-2025 
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Re: Prospective Russian HLVs
« Reply #264 on: 09/19/2018 07:56 pm »
SHLV Development had been funded as special purpose state program with dedicated funding outside of Federal Space Program FSP 2016-2025 

How many rubles? Who administers the program?

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Re: Prospective Russian HLVs
« Reply #265 on: 09/19/2018 10:05 pm »
Mate - you are demanding answers as if I am personally in charge of roscosmos funding.
Budget draft info here https://aboutspacejornal.net/2018/09/19/россия-планирует-тратить-на-космос-по/
If I find an original document I try to look what they indents to spend for SHLV - google translator is your friend!
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Re: Prospective Russian HLVs
« Reply #266 on: 11/26/2018 08:00 pm »
Yet another(?) Russian HLV design:

Looks like this proposal 7 cores, with 4 RD-171 boosters staging first, followed by 2 more, and then the core has an RD-180 which allows it to burn longer.  Rather complex :o , I'm doubtful it will ever fly.

https://twitter.com/RussianSpaceWeb/status/1067060601669726208
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Re: Prospective Russian HLVs
« Reply #267 on: 11/26/2018 09:33 pm »
I belive that this was one of configurations from Samara Rocket Center Progress proposals.
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Re: Prospective Russian HLVs
« Reply #268 on: 11/26/2018 10:27 pm »
Turns out Rogozin is a fan of Kerbal Space Program! Who knew?

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Re: Prospective Russian HLVs
« Reply #269 on: 11/26/2018 10:55 pm »
Yet another(?) Russian HLV design:

Looks like this proposal 7 cores, with 4 RD-171 boosters staging first, followed by 2 more, and then the core has an RD-180 which allows it to burn longer.  Rather complex :o , I'm doubtful it will ever fly.

https://twitter.com/RussianSpaceWeb/status/1067060601669726208

Not that heavy if only Federatsia on top?

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Re: Prospective Russian HLVs
« Reply #270 on: 11/26/2018 11:09 pm »
Yet another(?) Russian HLV design:

Looks like this proposal 7 cores, with 4 RD-171 boosters staging first, followed by 2 more, and then the core has an RD-180 which allows it to burn longer.  Rather complex :o , I'm doubtful it will ever fly.

https://twitter.com/RussianSpaceWeb/status/1067060601669726208

Not that heavy if only Federatsia on top?
It has a satellite and cargo version but was not shown in the tweet.

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Re: Prospective Russian HLVs
« Reply #271 on: 11/26/2018 11:14 pm »
Yet another(?) Russian HLV design:

Looks like this proposal 7 cores, with 4 RD-171 boosters staging first, followed by 2 more, and then the core has an RD-180 which allows it to burn longer.  Rather complex :o , I'm doubtful it will ever fly.

Not that heavy if only Federatsia on top?

This configuration would be for lunar flights.

It certainly makes sense to class it as heavy, unless you don't consider SLS heavy because it only carries Orion.  ;)

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Re: Prospective Russian HLVs
« Reply #272 on: 11/26/2018 11:36 pm »
Yet another(?) Russian HLV design:

Looks like this proposal 7 cores, with 4 RD-171 boosters staging first, followed by 2 more, and then the core has an RD-180 which allows it to burn longer.  Rather complex :o , I'm doubtful it will ever fly.

https://twitter.com/RussianSpaceWeb/status/1067060601669726208

Not that heavy if only Federatsia on top?
Picture shows a man-rated launcher for lunar missions - LEO payload apart of Federation would also include TLI and LOI space tugs in order to deliver a spacecraft into cislunar space. Cargo versions would have a bigger payload capability to deliver lunar orbital station and surface lunar base modules
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Re: Prospective Russian HLVs
« Reply #273 on: 11/26/2018 11:42 pm »
Yet another(?) Russian HLV design:

Looks like this proposal 7 cores, with 4 RD-171 boosters staging first, followed by 2 more, and then the core has an RD-180 which allows it to burn longer.  Rather complex :o , I'm doubtful it will ever fly.

https://twitter.com/RussianSpaceWeb/status/1067060601669726208

Not that heavy if only Federatsia on top?
Picture shows a man-rated launcher for lunar missions - LEO payload apart of Federation would also include TLI and LOI space tugs in order to deliver a spacecraft into cislunar space. Cargo versions would have a bigger payload capability to deliver lunar orbital station and surface lunar base modules.
For everything else - I mean LEO missions it will be a Soyuz-5 lunch vehicle.
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Re: Prospective Russian HLVs
« Reply #274 on: 11/27/2018 12:05 am »
Thrust at liftoff would be about 47 MN compared to Saturn V at 35 MN, SLS at 39 MN, N1 at 45 MN and Super Heavy at 62 MN. Yes, it is a "heavy".
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Re: Prospective Russian HLVs
« Reply #275 on: 11/27/2018 12:15 am »
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Thrust at liftoff would be about 47 MN compared to Saturn V at 35 MN, SLS at 39 MN, N1 at 45 MN and Super Heavy at 62 MN. Yes, it is a "heavy".
»Yes thrust during launch without throttling up would be 47.3 MN: 6 side boosters with Rd-170 each and central core with Rd-180 are ignited together.
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Re: Prospective Russian HLVs
« Reply #276 on: 11/27/2018 12:57 am »
What is the name the this new rocket? Energia 3 or Energia 5? It's will be reusable?
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Re: Prospective Russian HLVs
« Reply #277 on: 11/27/2018 01:31 am »
What is the name the this new rocket? Energia 3 or Energia 5? It's will be reusable?
Given that the recent Soyuz-5 is being renamed Irtysh that places the Soyuz name back on the table for something else or retirement. Energia 7 would be inline with first 3 variants of the STK programme.

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« Reply #278 on: 11/27/2018 08:09 pm »
Energia 6.5? :)
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