Author Topic: LIVE: CCiCAP Commercial Crew Awards Announcements - August 3, 2012  (Read 75426 times)

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LIVE THREAD for UPDATES on the NASA awards for the commercial crew companies.

ANNOUNCEMENT:

RELEASE: 12-263

NASA ANNOUNCES NEXT STEPS IN EFFORT TO LAUNCH AMERICANS FROM U.S. SOIL

NASA Friday announced new agreements with three American commercial companies to design and develop the next generation of U.S. human spaceflight capabilities, enabling a launch of astronauts from U.S. soil in the next five years. Advances made by these companies under newly signed Space Act Agreements through the agency's Commercial Crew Integrated Capability (CCiCap) initiative are intended to ultimately lead to the availability of commercial human spaceflight services for government and commercial customers.

CCiCap partners are:

-- Sierra Nevada Corporation, Louisville, Colo., $212.5 million
-- Space Exploration Technologies (SpaceX), Hawthorne, Calif., $440 million
-- The Boeing Company, Houston, $460 million

"Today, we are announcing another critical step toward launching our astronauts from U.S. soil on space systems built by American companies," NASA Administrator Charles Bolden said at the agency's Kennedy Space Center in Florida. "We have selected three companies that will help keep us on track to end the outsourcing of human spaceflight and create high-paying jobs in Florida and elsewhere across the country."

CCiCap is an initiative of NASA's Commercial Crew Program (CCP) and an administration priority. The objective of the CCP is to facilitate the development of a U.S. commercial crew space transportation capability with the goal of achieving safe, reliable and cost-effective access to and from the International Space Station and low Earth orbit. After the capability is matured and expected to be available to the government and other customers, NASA could contract to purchase commercial services to meet its station crew transportation needs.

The new CCiCAP agreements follow two previous initiatives by NASA to spur the development of transportation subsystems, and represent the next phase of U.S. commercial human space transportation, in which industry partners develop crew transportation capabilities as fully integrated systems. Between now and May 31, 2014, NASA's partners will perform tests and mature integrated designs. This would then set the stage for a future activity that will launch crewed orbital demonstration missions to low Earth orbit by the middle of the decade.

"For 50 years American industry has helped NASA push boundaries, enabling us to live, work and learn in the unique environment of microgravity and low Earth orbit," said William Gerstenmaier, associate administrator for the Human Exploration and Operations Mission Directorate at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "The benefits to humanity from these endeavors are incalculable. We're counting on the creativity of industry to provide the next generation of transportation to low Earth orbit and expand human presence, making space accessible and open for business."

While NASA works with U.S. industry partners to develop commercial spaceflight capabilities to low Earth orbit, the agency also is developing the Orion Multi-Purpose Crew Vehicle (MPCV) and the Space Launch System (SLS), a crew capsule and heavy-lift rocket to provide an entirely new capability for human exploration. Designed to be flexible for launching spacecraft for crew and cargo missions, SLS and Orion MPCV will expand human presence beyond low Earth orbit and enable new missions of exploration across the solar system.

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Various discussion threads for Commercial Crew, and vehicle specific threads - other than SpaceX in their dedicated section:

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?board=56.0

Use the above for debate. This thread is for the updates during the announcement day.

Resources:

Articles on Dragon:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/tag/dragon/

Articles on Dream Chaser:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/?s=%28SNC%29

Articles on Liberty:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/tag/liberty/

Articles on Commercial Crew:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/tag/ccdev/

L2:

SpaceX L2 Section:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=tags&tags=SpaceX

Dream Chaser L2 Section:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=27834.0 (Rather Epic)

Commercial Crew and Cargo L2 Section:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?board=54.0

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Presser on the announcement will be edited into this opening post.

We will welcome people posting quotes and screenshots from the NASA TV presser at 10am Eastern (I'll be busy working on the article).
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NASA's Commercial Crew Twitter is posting: CCiCap awards go to Boeing ($460 million), SpaceX ($440 million), Sierra Nevada Corp. ($212.5 million).
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NASA's Commercial Crew Twitter is posting: CCiCap awards go to Boeing ($460 million), SpaceX ($440 million), Sierra Nevada Corp. ($212.5 million).


2/5, 2/5 & 1/5.  Same ratio as 1, 1 & 1/2
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NASA's Commercial Crew Twitter is posting: CCiCap awards go to Boeing ($460 million), SpaceX ($440 million), Sierra Nevada Corp. ($212.5 million).

Still no NASA presser. 10 mins late. A bit rediculous.

2/5, 2/5 & 1/5.  Same ratio as 1, 1 & 1/2

Give or take 15 million dollars.

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45 mins to the presser on NTV.
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CCiCap partners are:

-- Sierra Nevada Corporation, Louisville, Colo., $212.5 million
-- Space Exploration Technologies (SpaceX), Hawthorne, Calif., $440 million
-- The Boeing Company, Houston, $460 million


Good choice.

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Now I can say it. This was the most logical, safest and shortest gap choice.

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I'm willing to bet Boeing has to pay for the Atlas to be man rated and that accounts for the difference.
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NASA's Commercial Crew Twitter is posting: CCiCap awards go to Boeing ($460 million), SpaceX ($440 million), Sierra Nevada Corp. ($212.5 million).

Still no NASA presser. 10 mins late. A bit rediculous.

2/5, 2/5 & 1/5.  Same ratio as 1, 1 & 1/2

Give or take 15 million dollars.

Interesting.  Congress hasn't signed the budget yet right? so, the values may be quite different at the end of the day?

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Remember, this is for UPDATES.

Thread for DISCUSSION:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=29583.105
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NASA's Commercial Crew Twitter is posting: CCiCap awards go to Boeing ($460 million), SpaceX ($440 million), Sierra Nevada Corp. ($212.5 million).

Still no NASA presser. 10 mins late. A bit rediculous.

2/5, 2/5 & 1/5.  Same ratio as 1, 1 & 1/2

Give or take 15 million dollars.

Interesting.  Congress hasn't signed the budget yet right? so, the values may be quite different at the end of the day?

Congress hasn't passed the appropriations bills yet, but there is an agreement for a 6-month CR that keeps everything funded at the current levels, without any policy riders. Boehner and Ried wanted to get this out of the way, and keep the government running until after the elections.

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NTV Coverage starting. Will appreciate quotes and screenshots (I'm working the article side).
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No one can be bothered, ok.

Bolden in front of the VAB, none of the winners will use. Talking about how US astronauts will carry out Obama's promise of launching again from KSC, despite none of the winners will actually use Kennedy.

Having to talk a lot about SLS and Orion to this KSC crowd.
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Bob Cabana, Charlie Bolden and Ed Mango presiding…

Charlie adressing jobs being created and more bang for the buck and ending of outsourcing..

Next phase will last 21 months.

Certification will be a separate process...
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Sorry, I zoned out when Bolden started talking about Orion and SLS.. also, totally forgot about the sideways US flag on the VAB.

Wow, he just read the "end the outsourcing of human spaceflight" line from the press release.. twice! Really, no-one proof reads this stuff?

outsourcing != offshoring.
Human spaceflight is basically just LARPing now.

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Bolden:
"End outsourcing of American manned spaceflight activities"

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Ed Mango explaining what CCiCAP stands for.

Makes a good point about how it's not all NASA money, it's a partnership.
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Ed Mango:

Address cost sharing...

Performance milestones for payment.

NASA sharing 50 years of flight experince with the three teams...
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Ed Mango: SpaceX "We like the way they think"
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