I wonder how much they’ll apply to this design based on what SpaceX did to “Slick 40”. It must be nice watching the leader and learning from their hard work to see what works and what doesn’t....
Quote from: Lars-J on 12/16/2017 06:42 amQuote from: guckyfan on 12/16/2017 06:37 amI have a question on pad size. Will the available safe area support a much bigger vehicle like New Armstrong?Impossible to answer since we know almost nothing about New Armstrong.I think it is a safe assumption it will have at least Saturn V thrust.
Quote from: guckyfan on 12/16/2017 06:37 amI have a question on pad size. Will the available safe area support a much bigger vehicle like New Armstrong?Impossible to answer since we know almost nothing about New Armstrong.
I have a question on pad size. Will the available safe area support a much bigger vehicle like New Armstrong?
Quote from: guckyfan on 12/16/2017 10:29 pmQuote from: Lars-J on 12/16/2017 06:42 amQuote from: guckyfan on 12/16/2017 06:37 amI have a question on pad size. Will the available safe area support a much bigger vehicle like New Armstrong?Impossible to answer since we know almost nothing about New Armstrong.I think it is a safe assumption it will have at least Saturn V thrust.I estimate that NA will have around 2x Saturn V thrust for it to be a meaningful step up from NG. LC-37 may be able to handle that with suitable reworking. Size of exclusion zone for anything over 2x Saturn V thrust will be likely prohibitive for operations from the Cape.
Here's the latest 3-month average (Jul to Sep) and 1-month average (Nov) from Planet.Given they're apparently delivering LOX storage tanks, I wonder how far along it is ...--- Tony
LOX/LNG oxidizer and propellant tanks delivered to LC-36. Starting to look more and more like a launch pad! #NewGlenn
Quote from: DJPledger on 12/17/2017 02:01 pmQuote from: guckyfan on 12/16/2017 10:29 pmQuote from: Lars-J on 12/16/2017 06:42 amQuote from: guckyfan on 12/16/2017 06:37 amI have a question on pad size. Will the available safe area support a much bigger vehicle like New Armstrong?Impossible to answer since we know almost nothing about New Armstrong.I think it is a safe assumption it will have at least Saturn V thrust.I estimate that NA will have around 2x Saturn V thrust for it to be a meaningful step up from NG. LC-37 may be able to handle that with suitable reworking. Size of exclusion zone for anything over 2x Saturn V thrust will be likely prohibitive for operations from the Cape.2X Saturn V thrust wouldn't have worked on LC-39B, so this is probably an over the top estimate.12 Mlbf is a more supportable estimate -- it is basically 3x New Glenn, and right around BFR, which isn't too shabby.
Very, very interesting. I like the LV Wash Down. That's going to be one big washing machine!
Blue Origin, which has a contract to launch OneWeb satellites into polar orbits in the 2020s, does not yet have a Vandenberg launch site and says those missions could launch from the Cape.“New Glenn has the capability and performance to launch customers into polar orbit from Florida,” the company said in a statement. “We are working diligently to finish our launch site at Launch Complex 36 so we can meet the market demands of commercial, civil, and national security customers from the Space Coast.”
Nope, they are thinking of going south and dropping the first stage before cuba. The restriction is any rocket doing this must have automated range safety. So currently only Falcon 9 but I think all planned future rockets will have this too.
Quote from: nacnud on 01/01/2018 12:20 pmNope, they are thinking of going south and dropping the first stage before cuba. The restriction is any rocket doing this must have automated range safety. So currently only Falcon 9 but I think all planned future rockets will have this too.Are you sure? because it't not just Cuba that is in the way... Bahamas and all that busy area off Miami as well. And the other Caribbean islands - The NG 1st stage lands pretty far away. Which is also why all previous proposed polar launch trajectories from CCAFS/KSC went due north with a dog-leg. (but I could be wrong!)
Quote from: Lars-J on 01/02/2018 07:57 pmQuote from: nacnud on 01/01/2018 12:20 pmNope, they are thinking of going south and dropping the first stage before cuba. The restriction is any rocket doing this must have automated range safety. So currently only Falcon 9 but I think all planned future rockets will have this too.Are you sure? because it't not just Cuba that is in the way... Bahamas and all that busy area off Miami as well. And the other Caribbean islands - The NG 1st stage lands pretty far away. Which is also why all previous proposed polar launch trajectories from CCAFS/KSC went due north with a dog-leg. (but I could be wrong!) Once past Cuba (which is 400 to 500 miles south) there's nothing until Panama on a sun-sync trajectory (~95 degrees) or Venezuela on a polar trajectory (~85 degrees), both of which are over 1,300 miles away. Lots of room to drop a New Glenn booster on a ship in the south Caribbean.
Quote from: envy887 on 01/02/2018 08:06 pmQuote from: Lars-J on 01/02/2018 07:57 pmQuote from: nacnud on 01/01/2018 12:20 pmNope, they are thinking of going south and dropping the first stage before cuba. The restriction is any rocket doing this must have automated range safety. So currently only Falcon 9 but I think all planned future rockets will have this too.Are you sure? because it't not just Cuba that is in the way... Bahamas and all that busy area off Miami as well. And the other Caribbean islands - The NG 1st stage lands pretty far away. Which is also why all previous proposed polar launch trajectories from CCAFS/KSC went due north with a dog-leg. (but I could be wrong!) Once past Cuba (which is 400 to 500 miles south) there's nothing until Panama on a sun-sync trajectory (~95 degrees) or Venezuela on a polar trajectory (~85 degrees), both of which are over 1,300 miles away. Lots of room to drop a New Glenn booster on a ship in the south Caribbean.They are not going to overfly Cuba with a first stage, that is fantasy land thinking.
NG first stage lands after about 800km, so it could come down before cuba.