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Re: Blue Moon Lunar Lander
« Reply #860 on: 02/28/2024 09:02 pm »
A comparison of the the Lockheed Martin video screencap with the Aviation Week & Space Technology cover view from nearly the opposite angle:

Top image has an interesting porch design I think...

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« Last Edit: 03/04/2024 03:38 am by yg1968 »

Re: Blue Moon Lunar Lander
« Reply #862 on: 03/04/2024 02:11 am »
https://x.com/60Minutes/status/1764453960016867487

Stated in the full video, Blue expects the first cargo version of the lander to go to the moon in 12-16 months.
« Last Edit: 03/04/2024 02:12 am by spacenuance »

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Re: Blue Moon Lunar Lander
« Reply #863 on: 03/04/2024 10:49 am »
What is the odds that BO will try a lunar landing with their own starter lander in 25?

I realize that BO has a lot of kuipner launches ahead of them, but I would think they could squeeze in some 'experimental operations' once NG is gaining cadence.

Would make a better use of a launch than just throwing up a mass simulator... although I would guess the Kupiner satellites are cheap enough they could be a reasonable substitute.
I guess this wasn't so outlandish an idea after all  ;)

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Re: Blue Moon Lunar Lander
« Reply #864 on: 03/04/2024 03:24 pm »
What is the odds that BO will try a lunar landing with their own starter lander in 25?

I realize that BO has a lot of kuipner launches ahead of them, but I would think they could squeeze in some 'experimental operations' once NG is gaining cadence.

Would make a better use of a launch than just throwing up a mass simulator... although I would guess the Kupiner satellites are cheap enough they could be a reasonable substitute.
I guess this wasn't so outlandish an idea after all  ;)

March-July 2025 is very aggressive scheduling. Good luck to Blue Origin.
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Re: Blue Moon Lunar Lander
« Reply #865 on: 03/04/2024 03:42 pm »
What is the odds that BO will try a lunar landing with their own starter lander in 25?

I realize that BO has a lot of kuipner launches ahead of them, but I would think they could squeeze in some 'experimental operations' once NG is gaining cadence.

Would make a better use of a launch than just throwing up a mass simulator... although I would guess the Kupiner satellites are cheap enough they could be a reasonable substitute.
I guess this wasn't so outlandish an idea after all  ;)

Attempting an automated landing to prove out technology and hardware is pretty reasonable.

If they can recover New Glenn and reuse it quickly (and faster than many of us expect) then why not lob your own vehicle to the moon?

I think NG reuse will take awhile though.
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Re: Blue Moon Lunar Lander
« Reply #866 on: 03/04/2024 04:10 pm »
What is the odds that BO will try a lunar landing with their own starter lander in 25?

I realize that BO has a lot of kuipner launches ahead of them, but I would think they could squeeze in some 'experimental operations' once NG is gaining cadence.

Would make a better use of a launch than just throwing up a mass simulator... although I would guess the Kupiner satellites are cheap enough they could be a reasonable substitute.
I guess this wasn't so outlandish an idea after all  ;)

Attempting an automated landing to prove out technology and hardware is pretty reasonable.

If they can recover New Glenn and reuse it quickly (and faster than many of us expect) then why not lob your own vehicle to the moon?

I think NG reuse will take awhile though.
A load of Kuipers would probably be cheaper, so even if the mission fails, the cost is lower. If the mission succeeds, its a win for Kuiper, and Kuiper really needs every launch it can get. Kuipers have better be inexpensive, since they need so many of them. Kuiper also needs to design build, and test its NG dispenser anyway. Cost share: BO would offer to fly the mission for free but with no guarantee of success.

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Re: Blue Moon Lunar Lander
« Reply #867 on: 03/19/2024 05:11 pm »
What is the odds that BO will try a lunar landing with their own starter lander in 25?

I realize that BO has a lot of kuipner launches ahead of them, but I would think they could squeeze in some 'experimental operations' once NG is gaining cadence.

Would make a better use of a launch than just throwing up a mass simulator... although I would guess the Kupiner satellites are cheap enough they could be a reasonable substitute.
I guess this wasn't so outlandish an idea after all  ;)

March-July 2025 is very aggressive scheduling. Good luck to Blue Origin.
It's been their target for a while now (they were talking about landings in '25 for Mk1 in the award press conference, and even before then I think), and they have agreements for thermal vacuum testing and stuff with NASA this fall, I think? So it seems like it's stayed pretty much on schedule for about two or three years now.

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Re: Blue Moon Lunar Lander
« Reply #868 on: 04/12/2024 07:43 am »
Blue Moon lander doesn't need refueling. Just a single launch of New Glen. Blue Moon is subscale version of HLS, in development for very long time. So I would say it is very doable for Blue Origin to land on the Moon in 2025. 
It is in fact easier mission than SpaceX full scale unmanned HLS trial, which will need refueling to get to the Moon. It is also planned for 2025, so we have a Moon race going on. In my opinion it can go either way at the moment.
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Re: Blue Moon Lunar Lander
« Reply #869 on: 04/14/2024 07:07 pm »
It is also planned for 2025, so we have a Moon race going on.

Why does everybody seem to want a race? It is SO counter productive. To hell with a race. Slow and methodical is the way to go. Fewer mistakes caused by schedule pressure. The moon race was already decided in 1969. It's over. Done. Move on.
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Re: Blue Moon Lunar Lander
« Reply #870 on: 04/14/2024 07:18 pm »
It is also planned for 2025, so we have a Moon race going on.

Why does everybody seem to want a race? It is SO counter productive. To hell with a race. Slow and methodical is the way to go. Fewer mistakes caused by schedule pressure. The moon race was already decided in 1969. It's over. Done. Move on.

I seriously doubt a race would stop Blue from being slow and methodical.
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Re: Blue Moon Lunar Lander
« Reply #871 on: 04/14/2024 11:47 pm »
Blue Moon lander doesn't need refueling. Just a single launch of New Glen. Blue Moon is subscale version of HLS, in development for very long time. So I would say it is very doable for Blue Origin to land on the Moon in 2025. 
It is in fact easier mission than SpaceX full scale unmanned HLS trial, which will need refueling to get to the Moon. It is also planned for 2025, so we have a Moon race going on. In my opinion it can go either way at the moment.
It's also not a race for the precise reason you mentioned - the scope of the two programs is so different.
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Re: Blue Moon Lunar Lander
« Reply #872 on: 04/15/2024 11:23 am »
Blue Moon lander doesn't need refueling. Just a single launch of New Glen. Blue Moon is subscale version of HLS, in development for very long time.
I don't think Blue Moon can be any more described as a "subscale version of HLS" than New Shepard can be described as a subscale version of New Glenn. There is more difference than commonality in CONOPS, vehicle design, propulsion elements, etc.

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Re: Blue Moon Lunar Lander
« Reply #873 on: 04/24/2024 03:50 am »
https://twitter.com/NASA_Marshall/status/1782831806535873004
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🌕@NASAhas contracted SpaceX and Blue Origin to provide landing systems to take astronauts to the Moon’s surface. The agency has also asked the two companies to develop cargo versions of their landers to be in use NET the #Artemis VII mission.

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Re: Blue Moon Lunar Lander
« Reply #874 on: 05/03/2024 08:55 pm »
Blue Moon lander doesn't need refueling. Just a single launch of New Glen.

I am surprised by this information! I was convinced that the Blue Moon needed: (1) refuelling at LEO, (2) the help of the Cislunar Transporter tug to get near the Moon (Gateway station). This is how it is described in NASA's "Human Landing System" presentation from last year: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20230010065 (slide 12).

Could it be that something has changed since last year?

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Re: Blue Moon Lunar Lander
« Reply #875 on: 05/03/2024 09:40 pm »
Blue Moon lander doesn't need refueling. Just a single launch of New Glen.

I am surprised by this information! I was convinced that the Blue Moon needed: (1) refuelling at LEO, (2) the help of the Cislunar Transporter tug to get near the Moon (Gateway station). This is how it is described in NASA's "Human Landing System" presentation from last year: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20230010065 (slide 12).

Could it be that something has changed since last year?

Blue Moon mk1, not the HLS version. It's the small cargo version.
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Re: Blue Moon Lunar Lander
« Reply #876 on: 05/03/2024 10:03 pm »
If this phrase referred to the Mk1 version, then of course it is OK.

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Re: Blue Moon Lunar Lander
« Reply #877 on: 05/08/2024 05:19 pm »
https://twitter.com/blueorigin/status/1788254387934052763

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More and more hardware is arriving – paving our way to the Moon. Our gaseous hydrogen/oxygen reaction control system thrusters have completed acceptance testing ahead of installation on MK1, our first lunar lander. Our RCS thrusters enable different thrust levels for precision attitude control and are an important step toward humanity’s sustained presence on the Moon. These will help us land anywhere on the Moon’s surface, and best of all, they use propellants that can be manufactured from resources on the lunar surface!

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Re: Blue Moon Lunar Lander
« Reply #878 on: 05/09/2024 11:19 pm »
Recent documents note that Blue is currently building a Lunar Assembly Facility (what was previously known as the Composite Assembly Facility.

Source: Space Florida (Page 7: https://www.spaceflorida.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Investment-Committee-Meeting-Agenda-04-16-2024-and-meeting-materials.pdf)

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Re: Blue Moon Lunar Lander
« Reply #879 on: 05/10/2024 10:03 am »
Does this mean that Blue Origin is hoping for a contract to build more of its landers? As far as I know, there is only one for A-V in the NASA-approved plans so far, apart from MK1 and Mk2?

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