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Re: Final Ariane 5 ECA+ launches
« Reply #61 on: 12/15/2021 01:08 am »
Cross-post; my bold:
From the JWST Blog:

The James Webb Space Telescope team is working a communication issue between the observatory and the launch vehicle system. This will delay the launch date to no earlier than Friday, Dec. 24. We will provide more information about the new launch date no later than Friday, Dec. 17.
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Re: Final Ariane 5 ECA+ launches
« Reply #62 on: 12/22/2021 09:14 pm »
I don't know what to do with it.
Because Eutelsat does not tell us which rocket should be used to launch their new expensive flagship.
I can't believe they don't have a contract.

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Re: Final Ariane 5 ECA+ launches
« Reply #63 on: 12/25/2021 03:16 pm »
With the James Webb Space Telescope successfully launched, there's now five Ariane 5 rockets remaining.

The next one being the launch of GSat 24 and MEASAT 3d next April.
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Re: Final Ariane 5 ECA+ launches
« Reply #64 on: 12/28/2021 03:55 pm »
According to Stephane Israel, the CEO of Arianespace, the final launch of an Ariane 5 is reserved for JUICE in 2023.
https://twitter.com/ActuSpatiales/status/1475813523989143553
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Re: Final Ariane 5 ECA+ launches
« Reply #65 on: 12/28/2021 05:07 pm »
According to Stephane Israel, the CEO of Arianespace, the final launch of an Ariane 5 is reserved for JUICE in 2023.
https://twitter.com/ActuSpatiales/status/1475813523989143553

So that means probable A5 launch schedule is 3-4 next year and 1-2 in 2023?
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Re: Final Ariane 5 ECA+ launches
« Reply #66 on: 01/06/2022 06:48 pm »
Cross-post:
https://www.arianespace.com/press-release/arianespace-consolidates-leadership-in-commercial-launch-market-with-15-successful-ariane-soyuz-and-vega-launches-in-2021-and-revenue-growth-of-30-while-gearing-up-for-another-busy-year/  [dated January 6]

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At the same time, Arianespace consolidated the backlog of orders [in 2021] for its family of launch vehicles (Ariane 5, Ariane 6, Soyuz, Vega and Vega C) by adding 22 satellites from the following customers:

ISRO/NSIL, for the GSAT-24 satellite, assigned to the last position available on Ariane 5.
<snip>



Added: The last five Ariane 5 launches:

Launched
Date - Satellite(s) - Rocket - Launch Site - Time (UTC)

2022
June 22 Late April NET May 15 TBD 17 - MEASAT-3d, GSAT-24 - Ariane 5 ECA+ (VA257) - Kourou ELA-3 - 21:50:07 21:03 to 22:43

Planned Launches
Date - Satellite(s) - Rocket - Launch Site - Time (UTC)

September 6 NET Q2 2022 end of Q2 2022 H1 2023 Sep - Eutelsat Konnect VHTS (solo) (Ovzon-3?) (MTG-I1?) (Syracuse 4B?) - Ariane 5 ECA+ (VA258) - Kourou ELA-3

NET late September midyear - Syracuse 4B (Comsat-NG 2) - Ariane 5 ECA+ - Kourou ELA-3

November Q4 TBD 2023 mid Dec - MTG-I1 - Ariane 5 ECA+ - Kourou ELA-3

Q4 NET Q3 Q3/Q4 - [Galaxy 35, Galaxy 36], TBD - Ariane 5 ECA+ (VA259?) - Kourou ELA-3

later H2 H2 - Eutelsat 10B, TBD - Ariane 5 ECA+ (VA260?) - Kourou ELA-3

End of year end of Q2 H2 - Ovzon-3 - Ariane 5 ECA+ - Kourou ELA-3

NET end of year midyear - Eutelsat Hotbird 13F, TBD - Ariane 5 ECA+ (VA?) - Kourou ELA-3 (or Falcon 9)

2023
April 5-25 April - JUICE - Ariane 5 ECA+ (VA261?)- Kourou ELA-3

TBD midyear 2022 - Eutelsat Hotbird 13F, Eutelsat Hotbird 13G - Ariane 64 (VA26X) Ariane 5 ECA+ - Kourou ELA-4 ELA-3 (or Falcon 9)

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Re: Final Ariane 5 ECA+ launches
« Reply #67 on: 01/06/2022 08:25 pm »
Now that we know the passengers of VA257, and that we know that JUICE will be the last flight of Ariane 5, it thus remains 3 flights with "unknown" satellites.

If I am not mistaken, the potential satellites that will fly on Ariane 5 are :
- Eutelsat Hotbird 13F & 13G & VHTS
- Ovzon-3
- MTG-I1
- Heinrich Hertz
- Syracuse 4B

Do we have any idea which ones will actually fly on Ariane 5, paired with which other ones, and at what approximate date?

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Re: Final Ariane 5 ECA+ launches
« Reply #68 on: 01/06/2022 10:10 pm »
Now that we know the passengers of VA257, and that we know that JUICE will be the last flight of Ariane 5, it thus remains 3 flights with "unknown" satellites.

If I am not mistaken, the potential satellites that will fly on Ariane 5 are :
- Eutelsat Hotbird 13F & 13G & VHTS
- Ovzon-3
- MTG-I1
- Heinrich Hertz
- Syracuse 4B

Do we have any idea which ones will actually fly on Ariane 5, paired with which other ones, and at what approximate date?

As of today, if we only consider launch dates given for each satellite in the Ariane 5 launch log, we have :
VA257, April 2022 : Measat 3D + GSAT 24
VA258, June 2022 : Eutelsat Konnect VHTS + OVZON 3
VA259, 3Q 2022 : Eutelsat 10B + Syracuse 4B
VA260, 4Q 2022 : Galaxy 35 + Galaxy 36 (as a stack) + MTG I-1
VA261, August 2023 (last flight) : JUICE

As Heinrich Hertz is now known to be launched in 2023, and as there will be no more satcom launch on Ariane 5 in 2023, just JUICE (see today's tweet from @ChrisG_NSF), we can deduce it was surely moved on Ariane 64.

https://twitter.com/ChrisG_NSF/status/1479071607956119556?s=20

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Stéphane Israël (@arianespaceceo
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 launches in 2022, with:
- 4 of the 5 Ariane 5s (only JUICE will remain)
- 9 Soyuz launches (4 from Guiana + 5 from Baikonur)
- 1 Ariane 6 flights (1st NET 2nd half 2022)
- 3 Vega-C missions (1st NET April 2022)

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Re: Final Ariane 5 ECA+ launches
« Reply #69 on: 01/07/2022 10:23 am »
As of today, if we only consider launch dates given for each satellite in the Ariane 5 launch log, we have :
VA257, April 2022 : Measat 3D + GSAT 24
VA258, June 2022 : Eutelsat Konnect VHTS + OVZON 3
VA259, 3Q 2022 : Eutelsat 10B + Syracuse 4B
VA260, 4Q 2022 : Galaxy 35 + Galaxy 36 (as a stack) + MTG I-1
VA261, August 2023 (last flight) : JUICE

Forget VA numbers I assigned : Ariane 6 will overlap at a time  ;)

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Re: Final Ariane 5 ECA+ launches
« Reply #70 on: 01/07/2022 07:06 pm »
As far as I know, we have not yet seen any evidence to determine:
Will Hotbird 13F launch on an Ariane 5 or Falcon 9?

Will Hotbird 13G launch on an Ariane 5 or Falcon 9?

Which will launch first, second, and third: Hotbird 13F, Hotbird 13G, and Konnect VHTS?



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Re: Final Ariane 5 ECA+ launches
« Reply #71 on: 01/07/2022 10:03 pm »
As far as I know, we have not yet seen any evidence to determine:
Will Hotbird 13F launch on an Ariane 5 or Falcon 9?

Will Hotbird 13G launch on an Ariane 5 or Falcon 9?

Which will launch first, second, and third: Hotbird 13F, Hotbird 13G, and Konnect VHTS?


With all these satellites linked to Ariane 5, there seems to be no more available slots for Hot Birds, unless one of these runs late...

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Re: Final Ariane 5 ECA+ launches
« Reply #72 on: 01/07/2022 11:33 pm »
As far as I know, we have not yet seen any evidence to determine:
Will Hotbird 13F launch on an Ariane 5 or Falcon 9?

Will Hotbird 13G launch on an Ariane 5 or Falcon 9?

Which will launch first, second, and third: Hotbird 13F, Hotbird 13G, and Konnect VHTS?


With all these satellites linked to Ariane 5, there seems to be no more available slots for Hot Birds, unless one of these runs late...
Konnect VHTS just entered its thermal bake out session per its mission thread. The other two I do not know their current status.
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Re: Final Ariane 5 ECA+ launches
« Reply #73 on: 02/04/2022 09:57 pm »


As of today, if we only consider launch dates given for each satellite in the Ariane 5 launch log, we have :
VA257, April 2022 : Measat 3D + GSAT 24
VA258, June 2022 : Eutelsat Konnect VHTS + OVZON 3
VA259, 3Q 2022 : Eutelsat 10B + Syracuse 4B
VA260, 4Q 2022 : Galaxy 35 + Galaxy 36 (as a stack) + MTG I-1
VA261, August 2023 (last flight) : JUICE


Aside from the numbers, there's a reliable source for the pairings and the order of Ariane 5 launches?
Eutelsat-10B has a very hot schedule. Launch in Q3 2022 is that possible?
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https://twitter.com/Thales_Alenia_S/status/1489157747211968521

The launch is planned for the second half of 2022 and it should be in operation in H1 2023. electric orbit raising will take sam months.
According to Eutelsat, the Eutelsat-10A orbit maneuver lifetime will end already in 2023. (a bit too early)
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Re: Final Ariane 5 ECA+ launches
« Reply #74 on: 02/17/2022 09:58 pm »
JUICE may not be the last Ariane 5 launch after all?  And there will be more overlap of Ariane 5 and 6 operations at Kourou.

VA257 would be the only Ariane 5 launch during the first half of the year.

Eutelsat Konnect VHTS and 10B:
https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/22/02/b25681068/eutelsat-communications-first-half-2021-22-results
[dated February 17]
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FLEET DEPLOYMENT

Nominal deployment programme

Compared to the last quarterly update in October 2021, the entry into service of KONNECT VHTS has been delayed from the first half to the second half of calendar 2023. Furthermore, while still expected within the H1 2023 window, the entry into service of the EUTELSAT 10B satellite has been delayed versus our previous expectations. This reflects the impact of both manufacturing delays and their knock-on effects, including pairing difficulties, related to launch rescheduling, in the context of global Covid crisis.

All other data remains unchanged.



Eutelsat Hotbird 13F and 13G been Ariane 6 payloads all along?
https://aircosmosinternational.com/article/the-first-assembled-eurostar-neo-satellite-3106
[dated March 2, 2021]
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Hotbird 13F, like its twin Hotbird 13G, is scheduled for launch next year [2022] using an Ariane 64 launcher from the Guyana Space Center.



https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/eutelsat-konnect-vhts.htm
https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/eutelsat-10b.htm
https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/hotbird-13f.htm



Ovzon-3:
https://www.ovzon.com/en/ovzon-reschedules-launch-of-the-ovzon-3-satellite-until-the-second-half-of-2022/
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February 18, 2022
Regulatory
Ovzon reschedules launch of the Ovzon 3 satellite until the second half of 2022

Ovzon is today announcing that the Ovzon 3 satellite launch will be delayed and is planned to be launched in the second half of 2022. The rescheduling is due to continued insufficiencies and delivery of key components affecting the completion of Ovzon 3 and of a large number of other satellites in the industry.

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Re: Final Ariane 5 ECA+ launches
« Reply #75 on: 02/20/2022 07:56 pm »
Cross-posts

Re: Galaxy 35 and Galaxy 36:
Galaxy 35 and 36 launch in Q3 or Q4 2022--in service date Q4 2022.  [filing dated December 29, 2021]
2023
March - Galaxy 37 - Ariane 64 - Kourou ELA-4

Galaxy-37 aka Galaxy-13R
This launch order is gone [from Arianespace], goes to SpaceX.
https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/1229094530086/December%202021%20Quarterly%20Report%20-%20Intelsat%2012-29-2021.pdf

Re: MTG-I1:
ESA mission plan says 2023:

https://www.esa.int/ESA/Our_Missions

When you click onto the "mtg series", the mission page still shows 2022. But I suspect that 2023 is more up to date.

Many other ESA missions also have slipped: Biomass and JUICE to 2023, SMILE to 2024, Altius and Flex to 2025.
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Re: Final Ariane 5 ECA+ launches
« Reply #76 on: 03/17/2022 04:02 pm »
Cross-post re: JUICE:
ESA JUICE software, (I think, bohemian villages for me  ;) )
https://www.cosmos.esa.int/web/spice/spice-for-juice

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5.0   New Baseline trajectory, launch September 2022

same link updated:
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5.0b23.1    New Baseline trajectory, launch April 2023
https://spiftp.esac.esa.int/data/SPICE/JUICE/kernels/mk/juice_crema_5_0b23_1.tm
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- Launch on April, 5th 2023
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Re: Final Ariane 5 ECA+ launches
« Reply #77 on: 04/13/2022 07:08 pm »
Cross-post re: JUICE and last Ariane 5:
The Register gets up close and personal with ESA's JUICE spacecraft

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And JUICE? "We will use the last Ariane 5 before the handover to Ariane 6," says Pham. "It will be launched from Kourou on the fifth of April 2023."
Shipment to the launch facility is expected during January 2023

https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/11/esa_juice_visit/?td=rt-3a
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Re: Final Ariane 5 ECA+ launches
« Reply #78 on: 06/12/2022 01:18 pm »
Stéphane Israël gives a coded answer to the question of what the single launch of Eutelsat Konnect VHTS means for the co-passenger (probably Ovzon-3) and the further schedule of Ariane-5.

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsTNX-Krby8&t=3699s 
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Re: Final Ariane 5 ECA+ launches
« Reply #79 on: 06/17/2022 09:39 pm »
As of this post, the only Ariane 5 launch scheduled for 2023 is JUICE; launch window opens April 5.  As an interplanetary launch with a limited window, I'm sure launch will be scheduled for April 5, barring an issue with that launch campaign.

The Ariane (62) first launch is now, apparently, NET April 2023.

Turn-around between CSG launches is approximately a minimum of two weeks.

If no commercial Ariane 5 launch is delayed to April 2023 or beyond, then all Ariane 5 launches will occur before the first Ariane 6 launch.

The JUICE launch will be VA261.

The first Ariane 6 launch will be VA262.

And, it's been out in the open since April.

Cross-post re: JUICE and last Ariane 5:
The Register gets up close and personal with ESA's JUICE spacecraft

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And JUICE? "We will use the last Ariane 5 before the handover to Ariane 6," says Pham. "It will be launched from Kourou on the fifth of April 2023."
Shipment to the launch facility is expected during January 2023.

https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/11/esa_juice_visit/?td=rt-3a

Eric Berger writes:
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The official declined to provide a new, specific launch target for Ariane 6's debut flight. (A separate source has told Ars the working date is no earlier than April 2023). The new launch target is expected to be revealed on July 13 during a joint news conference with European space officials.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/europes-major-new-rocket-the-ariane-6-is-delayed-again/

Peter de Selding SpaceIntelReport:
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ESA official: No single event caused the latest Ariane 6 delay, and it’s unclear who will have to pay for it
written by Peter B. de Selding June 16, 2022

PARIS — The months-long delay in the inaugural flight of Europe’s heavy-lift Ariane 6 rocket, confirmed the week of June 13, came after technical reviews of the vehicle’s upper-stage testing and the launch-sequence software managing the rocket and its launch pad, a European Space Agency (ESA) official said.

There was no single event that precipitated the announcement that Ariane 6’s first flight would slip into 2023, with a more-precise estimate to await further review between now and mid-July, the official said.

https://www.spaceintelreport.com/esa-official-no-single-event-caused-the-latest-ariane-6-delay-and-its-unclear-who-will-have-to-pay-for-it/
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