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Re: Starlink : New FCC and ITU Filings
« Reply #300 on: 03/09/2021 10:51 pm »
On Friday, Musk spoke with Acting Chairwoman Rosenworcel about the modification requested last April.  Looks like there is a flurry of effort by SpaceX to finish the request and its competitors to keep the conversation going.

One interesting statement by SpaceX is that Amazon may have abandoned its system entirely.  That would be big news, if true!

Not a native speaker, but I read it as a jab at Amazon for focusing too much on lobbying and obstructing SpaceX's plans rather than building their constellation.

Exactly.  Amazon has not abandoned their system.

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Re: Starlink : New FCC and ITU Filings
« Reply #301 on: 03/12/2021 12:06 am »
New Starlink gateways in: Broadview, Illinois; Norcross, Georgia; Fort Lauderdale, Florida; Lawrence, KS.

For their testing with the government, they're adding a moving vehicle in addition to the existing aircraft testing: 0034-EX-CM-2021

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Re: Starlink : New FCC and ITU Filings
« Reply #302 on: 03/19/2021 08:41 pm »
New gateways in Lunenberg, Vermont and Sullivan, Maine

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Re: Starlink : New FCC and ITU Filings
« Reply #303 on: 04/07/2021 04:30 pm »
Gateway filing for Ketchikan, Alaska

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Re: Starlink : New FCC and ITU Filings
« Reply #304 on: 04/07/2021 08:29 pm »
Gateway filing for Ketchikan, Alaska
At 56 degrees N latitude it is useful to the SSO sats but unlikely to any others.

This ties into Gwynne Shotwell recent statement of full Earth coverage by 28th (assumption of meaning the V1.0 sats or the L28 mission) launch.

So what is the FCC licencing status for SSO sats?

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Re: Starlink : New FCC and ITU Filings
« Reply #305 on: 04/07/2021 09:15 pm »
They are not going to have coverage of the whole planet by the 28th launch.  That's the typical SpaceX "we'll have global coverage* (*over most of the populated areas of the world)".

The modification request for the constellation is still pending, and very contentious.
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Re: Starlink : New FCC and ITU Filings
« Reply #306 on: 04/10/2021 02:21 pm »
New filings for gateways in Rolette, ND and Fairbanks, AK.

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Re: Starlink : New FCC and ITU Filings
« Reply #307 on: 04/10/2021 02:36 pm »
New filing for the shipboard testing of user terminals.  In addition to the ships operating out of Port Canaveral, this adds ships operating out of Port of LA, Port of Brownsville, and Pascagoula.

https://fcc.report/ELS/Space-Exploration-Holdings-LLC/0308-EX-CN-2021

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Re: Starlink : New FCC and ITU Filings
« Reply #308 on: 04/10/2021 02:42 pm »
There's another experimental permit filing to do with Starlink testing on a vehicle in Redmond, but I can't read the supporting document while the FCC server is down for maintenance.

https://fcc.report/ELS/Space-Exploration-Technologies-Corp/0562-EX-ST-2021

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Re: Starlink : New FCC and ITU Filings
« Reply #309 on: 04/11/2021 05:35 pm »
Apparently they broke the link I had bookmarked for the ELS system so it just goes to an "under maintenance" page even though the system is up  ::)  Now that that's figured out...


0308-EX-CN-2021 Starlink on recovery ships
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The Commission has previously granted experimental authority to test these same
user terminals at various locations within the United States.3 In order to expand its
assessment of the end-to-end capabilities of its satellite system, SpaceX seeks authorization
to expand these experimental operations to include three additional areas of operation: (1)
Aboard recovery vessels (a) anchored in port, (b) in transit to predetermined landing zones,
and (c) on station at those landing zone sites in U.S. territorial waters in the Pacific Ocean.
Recovery vessels operating in the Pacific Ocean will be anchored at the Port of Los Angeles
(33.72N, 118.27W). (2) Aboard recovery vessels (a) anchored in port, (b) in transit to
predetermined landing zones, and (c) on station at those landing zone sites in U.S. territorial
waters in the Gulf of Mexico. Recovery vessels operating in the Gulf of Mexico will be
anchored at Port Canaveral, FL (28.41N, 80.62W); Port of Brownsville, TX (25.97N
97.36W); and Pascagoula, MS (30.34N 88.51W). (3) Aboard vehicles within 5 km of Boca
Chica Village, TX, (26.00N, -97.16W) at altitudes not to exceed 12.5 km. These operations
will only occur on the ground in Boca Chica Village, TX or during test flights of durations not
to exceed eight minutes. Such authority would enable SpaceX to obtain critical data
regarding the operational performance of its user terminals and the SpaceX NGSO system
more broadly.


0566-EX-ST-2021 Starlink on Starship?
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SpaceX requests Special Temporary Authority to operate a single user terminal within
5 km of Boca Chica Village, TX (26.00N, -97.16W) on an experimental basis at altitudes not
to exceed 12.5 km. The authority requested herein will be sharply limited in duration: SpaceX
requests to operate under this STA for a period of only 60 days, beginning on April 20, 2020,
or the date on which the STA requested herein is granted, whichever is later. These
operations will only occur on the ground or during test flights of durations not to exceed
eight minutes. This user terminal will be electrically identical to earth stations already
authorized under SpaceXs blanket earth station authorization1 as well as its pending
application for experimental authorization to operate a limited number of user terminals
aboard aircraft.

0562-EX-ST-2021 Starlink on vehicles in Redmond
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SpaceX requests Special Temporary Authority to operate two (2) mobile ground-based
user terminal within 300 km of Redmond, Washington (47.6941N, 122.0327W) on an
experimental basis. The authority requested herein will be limited in duration: SpaceX requests to
operate under this STA for a period of only 60 days, beginning on April 20, 2020 or the date on
which the STA requested herein is granted, whichever is later. One user terminal will be
electrically identical to earth stations already authorized under SpaceXs blanket earth station
authorization and one will be a new user terminal type.

...
Like those previously authorized, the tests requested here are designed to demonstrate the
ability to transmit to and receive information from a moving vehicle on the ground. Nothing about
these experiments will change the operation of SpaceX spacecraft, which will continue to operate
as authorized. As discussed below, these proposed operations will not adversely affect any other
authorized spectrum user, including geostationary orbit (GSO) satellite systems.
SpaceX will analyze the data link performance and installation options for the mobile user
terminals. In order to complete the link with its satellites, SpaceX will use gateway earth stations
authorized by the Commission for communications with the Starlink system. Communications
with the satellites will be limited to a minimum elevation of 25 degrees above the horizon at all
times during testing. Supplemental information on the new terminal performance characteristics
can be found in Exhibit 1 of the subject application.
...
(table below for the user terminals in this request)
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Re: Starlink : New FCC and ITU Filings
« Reply #310 on: 04/16/2021 08:38 am »
Have people been following the constant "spam" of filings in reply to SpaceX at: https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/ib/forms/reports/related_filing.hts?f_key=-443498&f_number=SATMOD2020041700037

Viasat and others are constantly complaining that SpaceX's modification will harm their systems, meanwhile SpaceX keeps waiting for FCC to respond. Does anyone know what the holdup is with the FCC? Are they actually honoring these invalid counter claims by others?

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Re: Starlink : New FCC and ITU Filings
« Reply #311 on: 04/16/2021 01:50 pm »
The physical configuration of the constellation in the modification filing bears little resemblance to the constellation that was initially approved.  The altitudes, inclinations, elevation angles, transmitting power, antenna types have all changed.  It is not a simple modification.  The FCC does need to look closely at what effect that will have on other operators and how that level of change fits into the rules.  Some of the other operators may have legitimate concerns, and you really can't just trust what SpaceX says in their filings.  That said, some of the filings, particularly from Viasat, are over the top.  Viasat is just trying to stall a competitor, period.

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Re: Starlink : New FCC and ITU Filings
« Reply #312 on: 04/17/2021 12:39 am »
New response to all the responses by SpaceX: https://licensing.fcc.gov/myibfs/download.do?attachment_key=5940089

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Re: Starlink : New FCC and ITU Filings
« Reply #313 on: 04/17/2021 09:57 am »
New response to all the responses by SpaceX: https://licensing.fcc.gov/myibfs/download.do?attachment_key=5940089

SpaceX's strategy has been brilliant. They have not agreed clearly or tried to find a compromise to some of the requests (even to the easy ones) in the initial discussions, like for the Nco request or the 580km request, and their competitors saw this as an opportunity to block the modification. They really invested a lot of time explaining that the modification should not be approved because of these concerns. Now SpaceX comes out submitting to all these requests clearly and leaving their competitors only with the bogus claims. Now their competitors will have to either accept the modification or come up with new requests, to which SpaceX can answer that they are moving the goal post and can ask why they didn't ask this before.

Will be fun to see what happens next.

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Re: Starlink : New FCC and ITU Filings
« Reply #314 on: 04/20/2021 02:42 pm »
Regarding the status of the big Starlink modification, Peter B. de Selding tweeted that it "goes on notification."  Also, I read (on WSJ?  ArsTechnica?) that it is expected to be issued soon.

What exactly are these folks looking at?  Is there some objective and clear indication that this will be issued soon?  For instance, do we know that a draft Grant of Authority has been circulated among the FCC commissioners?

https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/1384225812728016905
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Re: Starlink : New FCC and ITU Filings
« Reply #315 on: 04/20/2021 06:00 pm »
I haven't seen anything.

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Re: Starlink : New FCC and ITU Filings
« Reply #316 on: 04/20/2021 11:33 pm »
Well, the recent encounter between Starlink and OneWeb satellites just got more interesting.

Basically, the two companies had a conference call where they discussed the physical coordination of the satellites which was successful and there was never a risk of collision.

SpaceX also states that OneWeb explicitly requested SpaceX to turn off their autonomous collision avoidance system.
Additionally, the document states that even if there had not been any maneuver conducted, the satellites would have not collided.

In the rest of the document, SpaceX trashes OneWeb.

https://licensing.fcc.gov/myibfs/download.do?attachment_key=6212177

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Re: Starlink : New FCC and ITU Filings
« Reply #317 on: 04/20/2021 11:48 pm »
From the FCC doc mentioned above:

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SpaceX presented the attached fact sheet with an accurate chronology of events that demonstrates the coordination was successful and there was never a risk of a collision.
Despite recent reports to the contrary, the parties made clear that there was no "close call" or "near miss." SpaceX and OneWeb agreed that they had conducted a successful coordination, resulting in a positive outcome. The probability of collision never exceeded the threshold for a maneuver, and the satellites would not have collided even if no maneuver had been conducted. As further detailed in the attached fact sheet, and despite OneWeb's previous public claims, SpaceX's autonomous collision avoidance system was and remains fully functional at all times. SpaceX only turned off the capability at OneWeb's explicit request after OneWeb decided to conduct a maneuver.

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OneWeb 's misleading public statements coincide with OneWeb's intensified efforts to prevent SpaceX from completing a safety upgrade to its system. For instance, immediately after the first inaccurate quotes came out in media accounts, OneWeb met with Commission staff and Commissioners demanding unilateral conditions placed on SpaceXs operations. Ironically, the conditions demanded by OneWeb would make it more difficult to successfully coordinate operations going forward, demonstrating more of a concern with limiting competitors than with a genuine concern for space safety.

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Re: Starlink : New FCC and ITU Filings
« Reply #318 on: 04/21/2021 09:51 am »
Well, the recent encounter between Starlink and OneWeb satellites just got more interesting.

Basically, the two companies had a conference call where they discussed the physical coordination of the satellites which was successful and there was never a risk of collision.

SpaceX also states that OneWeb explicitly requested SpaceX to turn off their autonomous collision avoidance system.
Additionally, the document states that even if there had not been any maneuver conducted, the satellites would have not collided.

In the rest of the document, SpaceX trashes OneWeb.

https://licensing.fcc.gov/myibfs/download.do?attachment_key=6212177

This is just... wow... I knew that Oneweb was pretty obviously spinning the event for their own benefit, but this just makes the whole thing worse. It really is amazing how viciously success is attacked in the world right now. Also none of the media that I've seen thus far is retracting the claim or editing their articles despite SpaceX's claims. The Verge author reported it on twitter, but he's ignoring all twitter requests to update or clarify the article. https://twitter.com/joroulette/status/1384694830643679239
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Re: Starlink : New FCC and ITU Filings
« Reply #319 on: 04/23/2021 01:54 pm »
New gateway filing for New Braunfels, TX  29 47' 2.6" N 98 3' 2.8" W

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