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Re: SpaceX Manifest Table Formatting Discussion
« Reply #40 on: 10/19/2017 03:32 pm »
Is there an actual master file of all SpX launches (F1, F9, pad abort)? Heck, throw in the Texas reusability 'launches' as well! Would be a cool timeline to see in one consolidated file!

Also, does anyone have an accurate accounting of which LVs were v0, v1.1, FT, Blk 3, Blk 4, etc?

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I believe Wikipedia's list is believed to be correct
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Falcon_9_and_Falcon_Heavy_launches maybe?
But it does not include any F1 launches.

This manifest is better in my view (and might even be a source for that one, NSF has a high reputation for accuracy)
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Re: SpaceX Manifest Table Formatting Discussion
« Reply #41 on: 10/19/2017 03:43 pm »
At some point every manifest compiler looks at the other manifests just to make sure nothing is missing.  (I rarely get around to comparing our manifest against Wikipedia but one time they did find a new mission before we did.)

When I went back to compile the list of past launches I was cross-referencing between Wikipedia, Ed Kyle's site, and Jonathan McDowell's site.  Wikipedia was the quickest and easiest to read but double-checking the launch times and payload masses on the other sites was worth it.

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Table Formatting Discussion
« Reply #42 on: 10/19/2017 04:30 pm »
I just noticed that the past missions list doesn't have any of the F1 launches or the pad abort.

I don't think the pad abort belongs on that list.  (I'm not sure the in-flight abort will really belong on that list.)
Both abort missions will be launched from active SpaceX pads and therefore are/were taking an available launch slot.  If we are looking at how SpaceX is serving their manifest, IMO they are relevant.  Additionally, both need launch licenses from the FAA.  (I wouldn't include Grasshopper hops for those reasons.)
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Re: SpaceX Manifest Table Formatting Discussion
« Reply #43 on: 10/30/2017 11:56 am »
Would it be possible to add a link for the Update threads for each launch, in addition to the Discussion thread links.

It would be handy to have them somewhere convenient in chronological order, instead of whenever-someone-last-posted order.

Perhaps the Update link could be in the date-time stamp. (Seems like a logical association, for some reason.)

Eg,

       Local        LV  Core   Ret- .                             .    Mass   .     Mis-
Est. Date,  Time/UTC.   S/N    urn  Payload(s)                    Orb  (kg)   Site sion
------------------- --- ------ ---  ----------------------------  ---  -----  -----  ----
2017-08-24  1151/-7F91038SFORMOSAT-5SSO475V-4E41
2017-09-07  1000/-4F91040LAir Force X-37B OTV-5LEO5400C-39A42
2017-10-09  0537/-7F91041SIridium NEXT (Flight 3)PLR9600V-4E43
2017-10-11  1853/-4F91031.2SSES-11/Echostar 105GTO5200C-39A44
------------------- --- ------ ---  ----------------------------  ---  -----  ----- ----
2017-10-30  1534/-4F91042SKoreasat-5AGTO3500C-39A45
2017-11-15*2000/-5F91043LNorthrop Grumman-ZumaLEO?C-39A46
2017-12-04  1452/-5F9.LCRS 13LEO~10kC-40.
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Re: SpaceX Manifest Table Formatting Discussion
« Reply #44 on: 10/30/2017 01:58 pm »
The update threads are linked in the first post of the discussion threads (at least for recent missions.)

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Table Formatting Discussion
« Reply #45 on: 10/30/2017 07:33 pm »
having both links here saves a lot of clicking (well maybe not a lot, LOL)... we'll double your pay if you do it!
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Re: SpaceX Manifest Table Formatting Discussion
« Reply #46 on: 10/30/2017 07:38 pm »
It doesn't save that much clicking.  Editing the table is already kind of a pain since switching to use the table tags (hit Quote on the manifest post to see what it looks like), adding another URL on every line will just make it worse.
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Re: SpaceX Manifest Table Formatting Discussion
« Reply #47 on: 10/30/2017 07:41 pm »
Have you considered generating the whole thing in Excel?  That's what I often do for data driven tables. The hard part is how to handle missing data, you have to have every element IF()ed

I have some sample spreadsheets that generate html around here somewhere.... if that suggestion doesn't make much sense.
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Re: SpaceX Manifest Table Formatting Discussion
« Reply #48 on: 01/31/2018 11:43 pm »
Love how you deemed the GovSat expended core 'unsuccessful'.  ;D

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=43418.msg1702572#msg1702572

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Table Formatting Discussion
« Reply #49 on: 02/01/2018 02:40 am »
Love how you deemed the GovSat expended core 'unsuccessful'.  ;D

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=43418.msg1702572#msg1702572

Nah, @Gongora just mis-color the X from green to orange in the return column. With X signifying a landing on water instead of being expended with the color to indicate the fate of the core.  ;D

@Gongora should take my table legend revision suggestion. Otherwise he will have to come up a way of classifying the fate of the core from the GovSat-1 flight.  :P



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Re: SpaceX Manifest Table Formatting Discussion
« Reply #50 on: 02/01/2018 02:59 am »
Love how you deemed the GovSat expended core 'unsuccessful'.  ;D

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=43418.msg1702572#msg1702572

Nah, @Gongora just mis-color the X from green to orange in the return column. With X signifying a landing on water instead of being expended with the color to indicate the fate of the core.  ;D

@Gongora should take my table legend revision suggestion. Otherwise he will have to come up a way of classifying the fate of the core from the GovSat-1 flight.  :P

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W for wet
S for Sea Or C (if we want a sounds like)
D for in the drink
Or  U for Unbelievable or unexpected
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Re: SpaceX Manifest Table Formatting Discussion
« Reply #51 on: 02/01/2018 03:03 am »
I was always unsure of whether to make the "X" green before because I thought it was redundant.  Now I guess I need to go back and color them in.

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Table Formatting Discussion
« Reply #52 on: 02/01/2018 03:51 am »
so green X is going to be a successfully expended stage (it was destroyed) and red X is going to be a failed expended stage (it was recovered completely and thus it was a completely failed destruction) and yellow X is partial failure to expend (some of it was recovered) ???
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Re: SpaceX Manifest Table Formatting Discussion
« Reply #53 on: 02/01/2018 11:42 am »
so green X is going to be a successfully expended stage (it was destroyed) and red X is going to be a failed expended stage (it was recovered completely and thus it was a completely failed destruction) and yellow X is partial failure to expend (some of it was recovered) ???

Well, since red is reserved for Mars, a red cross would mean a successful (it was destroyed) expending of the stage on Mars. Didnt know the first stage can get THAT far..

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Table Formatting Discussion
« Reply #54 on: 02/01/2018 03:08 pm »
I was always unsure of whether to make the "X" green before because I thought it was redundant.  Now I guess I need to go back and color them in.
I have liked the black X's since it makes it easy to see them as separate from landings, however I fully approve of the yellow X to highlight this absurd situation, and that does by extension imply the other X's should be green. (Or maybe make them blue, though that adds something to the legend.)

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Table Formatting Discussion
« Reply #55 on: 02/01/2018 03:16 pm »

I have liked the black X's since it makes it easy to see them as separate from landings, however I fully approve of the yellow X to highlight this absurd situation, and that does by extension imply the other X's should be green. (Or maybe make them blue, though that adds something to the legend.)

If it is to highlight it's absurd situation, I would stick with my suggestion on the launch party and put a  :o  in place of the X

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Table Formatting Discussion
« Reply #56 on: 02/01/2018 04:53 pm »

I have liked the black X's since it makes it easy to see them as separate from landings, however I fully approve of the yellow X to highlight this absurd situation, and that does by extension imply the other X's should be green. (Or maybe make them blue, though that adds something to the legend.)

If it is to highlight it's absurd situation, I would stick with my suggestion on the launch party and put a  :o  in place of the X
I agree though I was just thinking an asterisk (*), exclamation (!) or a footnote [1].  This is likely a really rare occurrence.  Of course I would have bet money this would never happen so what the heck so I know?
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Re: SpaceX Manifest Table Formatting Discussion
« Reply #57 on: 02/01/2018 06:40 pm »
An O (Ocean) for a stage that does all the burns but does not land on a solid object (ASDS) or land. The X should be for no attempt (no recovery burns) at recovery. A green O would be a successful landing in the ocean without a breakup. A green X is a successful expenditure of the stage but actually that is not really a either/or type of thing. Expenditure will always be successful if the vehicle stages OK.

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Table Formatting Discussion
« Reply #58 on: 02/01/2018 08:37 pm »
O the problems we have.

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Table Formatting Discussion
« Reply #59 on: 02/04/2018 11:12 am »
Shouldn't Zuma be green? The launch was successful from SpaceX's perspective. The loss of payload occurred after SpaceX's portion of the mission was over.

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