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When SpaceX (Spacex for for Jim) gets that precise it will be on land and we won't need ships.

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Falcon 9 stage 2 will be deorbited SW of Australia shortly; first time the second stage has been deorbited on an F9 flight
I wonder whether this is being driven more by orbital debris considerations, wanting to practice relights on the second stage (building up experience for GTO missions), or if they're trying to use it to start gathering data for F9R upper stage reuse, or something else entirely.

If the burn is to depletion it gives a data point on what total vehicle performance really is.

No surprise, but Antares nails it.

0.15% prop residuals at lox depletion, if I picked up correctly. [Edit: pretty much in line with expectations.]

Cheers, Martin

Elon said the stage ran for "a few seconds".  The acceleration at the end of the second stage burn is about 5 Gs, or about 50 m/s, so if "a few" seconds is 3, then they had about 150 m/s to spare.

Elon was saying that they had validated their model of how much RP-1 was left after depletion of lox. This is related to the "propellant utilisation active" call during ascent, IE dynamic adjustment of mixture ratio to ensure there aren't large residuals of one fluid when the other is depleted (which is equivalent to extra dry mass / shortfall in ultimate performance).

Cheers, Martin

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Elon was saying that they had validated their model of how much RP-1 was left after depletion of lox. This is related to the "propellant utilisation active" call during ascent, IE dynamic adjustment of mixture ratio to ensure there aren't large residuals of one fluid when the other is depleted (which is equivalent to extra dry mass / shortfall in ultimate performance).

Cheers, Martin
The test checks two things - first, how much margin they had after completing the mission.  Presumably this is already known quite accurately within SpaceX, but it's a good thing to check.  Second, as you point out, is whether their mixture ratio adjustment works as their model predicts.

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Which prop runs out first has significant effects on the engine. Shutting down fuel rich sort of chokes it cleanly. Running out ox rich spikes the temperature, perhaps catastrophically.

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This prelaunch rollout B-roll doesn't seems to have been posted before.

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Thanks for the great coverage everyone, was my first experience of it on this site.  Great Job SpaceX / NASA and NSF  :)

It was great! Welcome to the forum.
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No news from Dragon since solar panel deployed?

No news is good news I assume. ;D


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Well I said we relax a live thread's rules after an event, but this last page was ridiculous. Trimmed it.

Guckyfan has got us back on track! :) And yes, overnight note says all good.
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No news from Dragon since solar panel deployed?

No news is good news I assume. ;D

Heard that there might have been another brief issue with the Dragon thrusters, but they got that cleared up quickly.
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Update thread.

Yes, rules relaxed for a bit, but I moved a few posts to the mission general discussion thread... please consider using that thread where it makes sense, you can ref and quote posts here to set context as needed.
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Has anyone figured out which ships were attempting the recovery ops?

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Has anyone figured out which ships were attempting the recovery ops?

I don't think the area in question is under AIS coverage, so the best you can do is watch for the ports on the coast and see if anything comes from that direction which would imply end of recovery operations.

Also no idea what ships are being used.

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Do we have an updated flight plan to station, as I understand the first burn ran late due to value issue?

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No change compared to preflight plan.

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did anyone saw around a sketch with the flight path - something possibly with the landing area (as from the 2 NOTAN published earlier) etc.?

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did anyone saw around a sketch with the flight path - something possibly with the landing area (as from the 2 NOTAN published earlier) etc.?

Or go here for a map. I also posted it in the discussion thread (page 90 or 91)

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did anyone saw around a sketch with the flight path - something possibly with the landing area (as from the 2 NOTAN published earlier) etc.?

Or go here for a map. I also posted it in the discussion thread (page 90 or 91)

Thanks guys! Is it this publicly available or copyrighted/L2 only? If the case is the second, which are the credits?

EDIT: I'm a bit confused. There are two maps shown in the thread:

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=31732.msg1181774#msg1181774 14 apr
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=31732.msg1181403#msg1181403 14-18 apr.

which is what? Any hint about the actual area, how much distant is from the center, etc.?

Sorry if the question had been already answered, but I can't understand the difference from the NOTAMs. They both refers to the same flght but are completely different. Thanks again.
« Last Edit: 04/19/2014 09:22 pm by pagheca »

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The other area is the expected re-entry area for 2nd stage after controlled destructive re-entry (next to Australia)

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From a very short nightly planning conference, all Dragon burns occurred as planned so approach is on track for tomorrow.
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