Not CCDEV-2?
Awsome news! Thansk Chris.What is left to do to make the Atlas 5 man rated?
Quote from: SpacexULA on 07/15/2011 08:11 pmAwsome news! Thansk Chris.What is left to do to make the Atlas 5 man rated?The claim of *Cough* Black Zones (abort issues) *Sneeze*. Wipe that one off the list.LAS, or some sort of MLAS I guess.Pad work....Very nice LV, and Centaur is world class. Atlas V with Dream Chaser is probably going to be my favorite post Shuttle rocket.
Atlas V with Dream Chaser is probably going to be my favorite post Shuttle rocket.
Quote from: Chris Bergin on 07/15/2011 06:42 pmNot CCDEV-2?There was some money NASA held as reserve I believe. Could be that they are spending some of that on ULA based and what they percieve are this risks associated with the other CCDev-2 participants and thus see adding ULA as now acceptable.
Could anyone shed some light on why it seems Delta IV and Delta IV Heavy always seem to be left out of the these conversations? After shuttle retirement, the "Heavy" will be the most capable launch vehicle in production.
Quote from: Chris Bergin on 07/16/2011 02:05 amAtlas V with Dream Chaser is probably going to be my favorite post Shuttle rocket. That is pretty dribble-worthy.Very interested in what this'll be!
Quote from: mborgia on 07/16/2011 03:36 amCould anyone shed some light on why it seems Delta IV and Delta IV Heavy always seem to be left out of the these conversations? After shuttle retirement, the "Heavy" will be the most capable launch vehicle in production.Five year, two billion dollar cost to use for manned operation, potential disruption to DoD operations during the five years of development.
Delta IV Heavy has launched 2 operational missionswith 100% mission success Human rating Delta IV Heavy is understood Addition of an Emergency Detection System (EDS) Separate launch pad with crew ingress/egress Additional reliability improvements options identified Greater than 20% performance margin for both ISSand lunar missions Trajectories shaped to eliminate black zones DoD planned propulsion improvements benefit NASA Benign launch and abort environments reduce risks forOrion Affordable and credible costs Non-recurring ($800M pad, $500M human rating) Recurring ($300M/launch) Available within 4.5 years from start
Quote from: Downix on 07/16/2011 04:06 amQuote from: mborgia on 07/16/2011 03:36 amCould anyone shed some light on why it seems Delta IV and Delta IV Heavy always seem to be left out of the these conversations? After shuttle retirement, the "Heavy" will be the most capable launch vehicle in production.Five year, two billion dollar cost to use for manned operation, potential disruption to DoD operations during the five years of development.Not according to ULA. Micheal Gass' presentation to the Augustine committee said this:QuoteDelta IV Heavy has launched 2 operational missionswith 100% mission success Human rating Delta IV Heavy is understood Addition of an Emergency Detection System (EDS) Separate launch pad with crew ingress/egress Additional reliability improvements options identified Greater than 20% performance margin for both ISSand lunar missions Trajectories shaped to eliminate black zones DoD planned propulsion improvements benefit NASA Benign launch and abort environments reduce risks forOrion Affordable and credible costs Non-recurring ($800M pad, $500M human rating) Recurring ($300M/launch) Available within 4.5 years from start
As much as I like Orbital and SpaceX, probably the biggest mistake in COTS and CRS was to rely on totally new rockets instead of using existing ones.
"Delta IV Heavy has launched 2 operational missionswith 100% mission success" It's easy to claim 100% success when you disregard the unsuccessful missions.
Reading the tea leaves I too am predicting this is related to Delta IV rather than Atlas V.This is based on the participation in the news conference of Dan Collins rather than Michael Gass, and the resumes of those two executives. (Collins led Boeing's division responsible for Delta; Gass led the branch of LM responsible for Atlas.)Of course it could be that this joint announcement with NASA just isn't important enough to have CEO Gass in attendance; thus he sent his COO deputy. But if it were Atlas related, that would seem unlikely. (Disclaimer for those possibly unfamiliar with the phrase, "reading the tea leaves": this is speculation based on extremely scanty data!)
ULA is a "well-oiled machine"... Have no fear.RegardsRobert
The EELVs have demonstrated remarkable reliability ....
Quote from: Rocket Science on 07/17/2011 11:15 amULA is a "well-oiled machine"... Have no fear.RegardsRobertWell, if you are cooking with olive or grapeseed oil, may I please have a chocolate shake, burger, small order of fries, a basic Atlas V Phase II, and some of those lovely AJAX napkins.
Right then, plan is to stay on this thread until 11am MDT, then move to a new thread at that time for the announcement. Big day. We'll have an article on this.
Atlas 5 has flown 26 times, Delta 4M 12 times, Detla 4H five times.
Quote from: Chris Bergin on 07/18/2011 12:13 amRight then, plan is to stay on this thread until 11am MDT, then move to a new thread at that time for the announcement. Big day. We'll have an article on this.1800 BST, yes?
It could be an unfunded Space Act Agreement.
What happened to the 11am MDT embargo
Quote from: Chris Bergin on 07/18/2011 03:18 pmWhat happened to the 11am MDT embargo Might have been a typo (s/b EDT rather than MDT) -- after all, the M key *is* right next to the E key, isn't it?
Quote from: kch on 07/18/2011 03:31 pmQuote from: Chris Bergin on 07/18/2011 03:18 pmWhat happened to the 11am MDT embargo Might have been a typo (s/b EDT rather than MDT) -- after all, the M key *is* right next to the E key, isn't it? Or maybe be happy that we might just get humans into orbit in a timely fashion?
Quote from: yg1968 on 07/16/2011 03:26 amIt could be an unfunded Space Act Agreement. Chris, do I get a prize for guessing this correctly? How about a NSF t-shirt?
I hope they man rate the Delta IV heavy.Then it could carry both commercial spacecraft and Orion into orbit.
Quote from: Scia on 07/18/2011 03:32 pmI hope they man rate the Delta IV heavy.Then it could carry both commercial spacecraft and Orion into orbit.Delta is a military launcher, not Commercial. Atlas is the Commercial launcher, and can also loft Orion in its heavy mode.
Press release is outhttp://www.ulalaunch.com/site/pages/News.shtml#/74/Nothing about Delta IV.
Quote from: Downix on 07/18/2011 03:40 pmQuote from: Scia on 07/18/2011 03:32 pmI hope they man rate the Delta IV heavy.Then it could carry both commercial spacecraft and Orion into orbit.Delta is a military launcher, not Commercial. Atlas is the Commercial launcher, and can also loft Orion in its heavy mode.I suppose that Delta IV Heavy can also be commercial. LM has reserved a Delta IV Heavy launch for Orion for 2013. So it's obviously not only for the military.
I'm still respecting the emargo, but my article has a lot more than what's in the presser.I'm also going to do the teleconference. Will add a few notes, depending on if they have a mute thing going on as there's nothing more annoying than someone wacking their keyboard over a teleconference Closing the thread and moving to the new one in five mins ish.
What makes me curious are the specs to man-rate a rocket... if I read the presser, I see this emergency detection system only... if this is true, why they ever worked on Ares I? Why build a new rocket, if you have already rockets which can do the job?
Quote from: Chris Bergin on 07/18/2011 04:50 pmI'm still respecting the emargo, but my article has a lot more than what's in the presser.I'm also going to do the teleconference. Will add a few notes, depending on if they have a mute thing going on as there's nothing more annoying than someone wacking their keyboard over a teleconference Closing the thread and moving to the new one in five mins ish.Is there a link where i could listen to the teleconference?