Author Topic: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3/EchoStar 24 : KSC LC-39A : NET 28/29 July 2023 (03:04 UTC)  (Read 108680 times)

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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET May 2023
« Reply #20 on: 03/10/2023 05:42 pm »
Now that Maxar is now planning to ship Jupiter 3 to EchoStar NET April 26, is it possible for this to still launch in May?
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JUPITER 3 satellite update
On November 9, 2022, we notified EchoStar Corporation (“EchoStar”), that the expected shipment of the JUPITER 3
satellite (“JUPITER 3”) had been delayed one month. Prior to the November 9, 2022 notification of the schedule
change, the prior schedule communicated to EchoStar was an expected shipment date of March 26, 2023.

If that's the shipment date to the launchsite, a launch in Mid-to-Late-May should be possible?
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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET May 2023
« Reply #21 on: 04/06/2023 09:29 pm »
Now that Axiom-2 is scheduled for May 8th, the minimum of a ~4 week turnaround that we've seen with the last couple of Falcon Heavy missions would rule out a launch in May, and possibly June as well with CRS-28 scheduled for June 1st and USSF-52 scheduled for June 23rd. (Yes, the turnaround could come down, but it does look tight)
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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET May 2023
« Reply #22 on: 04/13/2023 09:40 pm »
Considering we have the STA from the FCC for SpX-28 and not for this mission yet means this launch is happening after SpX-28 in late June or July by the earliest

0808-EX-ST-2023  Mission 1629. SpX-28?
NET Late May from LC-39A
ASDS    North  32  58  40   West  75  49  27

Edit: Dragon comms for SpX-28    0809-EX-ST-2023
Launches Seen: Atlas V OA-7, Falcon 9 Starlink 6-4, Falcon 9 CRS-28,

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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET August 2023
« Reply #25 on: 04/29/2023 08:04 pm »
Crosspost:

https://twitter.com/alexphysics13/status/1652399829660598273

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I spy with my little eye... FH-related hardware 👀

This is where the aft boosters are connected to the center core so... This is a Falcon Heavy center core!

Should probably be B1079 for Echostar 24. Launch is tentatively scheduled for no earlier than August.

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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET August 2023
« Reply #26 on: 05/02/2023 01:27 am »
An Intelsat ground station filing gave a July 15 launch date. With the various NASA and USSF missions using the same pad, dates will almost certainly slide around.

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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET August 2023
« Reply #27 on: 05/02/2023 07:20 am »
An Intelsat ground station filing gave a July 15 launch date. With the various NASA and USSF missions using the same pad, dates will almost certainly slide around.

This says July 18

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Intelsat herein requests 30 days of STA, commencing July 18, 2023, to use its Nuevo, CA Ka-band earth station, E170039, to provide launch and early orbit phase services for the Jupiter 3 satellite.

https://fcc.report/IBFS/SES-STA-INTR2023-01959

I guess it could work with CRS-28 NET Early-June, then convert to pad to Falcon Heavy for USSF-52 (NET Late-June/Early-July), and then keep the pad in Falcon Heavy configuration for EchoStar XXIV / Jupiter-3 NET July 18th
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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET August 2023
« Reply #28 on: 05/02/2023 01:48 pm »
This says July 18

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Intelsat License LLC (“Intelsat”) herein requests 30 days of Special Temporary Authority (“STA”),1 commencing July 18, 2023, to use its Nuevo, California Ka-band earth station, Call Sign E170039, to provide launch and early orbit phase (“LEOP”) services for the Jupiter 3 satellite (S3017). Jupiter 3 is expected to launch on July 15, 2023, and is expected to be within view of E170039 to perform the herein requested operations on July 25, 2023. Intelsat expects to provide LEOP services for ten days.

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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET August 2023
« Reply #29 on: 05/02/2023 03:05 pm »
For me it only showed the first part, July 15th it is then
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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET August 2023
« Reply #30 on: 05/09/2023 09:04 am »
Shipping delayed to June, launch ASAP & subject to preemption by priority government launches (=USSF-52):

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@EchoStar/@HughesConnects: 500-Gbps Jupiter 3 launch slips again. @Maxar to ship it in June for @SpaceX Falcon Heavy launch asap, 'subject to preemption by priority govt launches.' EchoStar broadband subs fell 4.1% in Q1 2023 from end-2022, to 1.177M, on lack of capacity.

https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/1655845825287782401
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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET July 2023
« Reply #31 on: 05/10/2023 07:48 pm »
Falcon Heavy Center Core B1079 is vertical at McGregor for it's acceptance firing in preparation for this mission:

https://nsf.live/mcgregor
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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET July 2023
« Reply #32 on: 05/10/2023 08:55 pm »
https://twitter.com/alexphysics13/status/1656401690482933764

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Falcon Heavy center core B1079 is undergoing cryogenic proof testing at SpaceX's McGregor Test and Development Facility in Texas.

This booster is set to fly as the center core for the Echostar 24 mission planned for no earlier than August.

nsf.live/mcgregor

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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET August 2023
« Reply #33 on: 05/10/2023 11:43 pm »
Space News also reports a launch slot reserved for this mission in August 2023 https://spacenews.com/echostar-has-fingers-crossed-for-august-falcon-heavy-launch/ [May 10]
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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET July 2023
« Reply #34 on: 05/11/2023 12:28 am »
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EchoStar said its long-awaited Jupiter 3 satellite should be ready for a Falcon Heavy launch in August, although its deployment faces further delays if a higher priority government project takes this window.

but later
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Although SpaceX has reserved an August launch slot, the operator warned this remains “subject to preemption by certain higher-priority government launches.”

Reserved a launch slot sounds more than just the payload being "ready" in August. Is that just random language used or is it likely to mean/imply anything?

Is the higher priority government project Crew-7 planned for August 17 rather than USSF-52?

Back to back falcon heavy launches would save pad changeover time, but it never seems to work out. Maybe there will be more delays and something will work out in the end.

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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET August 2023
« Reply #35 on: 05/11/2023 04:59 am »
Double droneship landing for this mission:
1006-EX-ST-2023  Mission 1468, Falcon Heavy
Side cores land on two droneships, center core expendable
ASDS  North  28  29  14  West  74  10  59
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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET August 2023
« Reply #36 on: 06/09/2023 08:14 am »
NextSpaceflight (Updated ~June 9th)
Launch NET September 2023
https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/6944
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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET September 2023
« Reply #37 on: 06/09/2023 08:28 am »
Hmm,
It seems SpaceX and Hughes argue about possible interference in Ka band between Jupiter 3/Echostar XXIV and Starlink.

Hughes Filing and subsequent correspondence between SpaceX, Hughes and FCC. Attachments
https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/ib/forms/reports/swr031b.hts?q_set=V_SITE_ANTENNA_FREQ.file_numberC/File+Number/%3D/SATMOD2023042400095&prepare=&column=V_SITE_ANTENNA_FREQ.file_numberC/File+Number
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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET July 2023
« Reply #38 on: 06/23/2023 03:03 am »
NextSpaceflight, updated June 22:
NET July
Center core = 1079.1

Swapping launch slot and center core with USSF-52.
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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET July 2023
« Reply #39 on: 06/23/2023 09:37 am »
Some older news, for context.

SN EchoStar buys Jupiter-3 “ultra high density satellite” from SSL, August 9, 2017, Caleb Henry
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WASHINGTON — Satellite fleet operator EchoStar of Englewood, Colorado, revealed Aug. 9 it had signed a contract with Space Systems Loral for the long-awaited Jupiter-3/EchoStar-24 satellite meant to further propel the company’s broadband internet success in the Americas and compete head to head with ViaSat’s forthcoming ViaSat-3 system.

In a conference call with investors and in statements from EchoStar and SSL, the companies described Jupiter-3 as an “ultra high density satellite,” capable of beaming honed capacity to concentrated areas of interest for connectivity services.
<snip>
Jupiter-3 is expected to have a total throughput of 500Gbps and to launch in 2021...

SN Echostar’s take on high-throughput satellites: best bought one at a time, February 21, 2019, Caleb Henry
[February 21 earnings call]

SN EchoStar says Jupiter-3 launch timing clouded by coronavirus, May 11, 2020, Caleb Henry
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<snip>
Since ordering the 500 gigabit-per-second Ka-band satellite from Maxar Technologies in 2017, EchoStar has planned to launch it in 2021 to bring growth capacity over North and South America for the company’s satellite internet business.

EchoStar Chief Strategy Officer Anders Johnson said the coronavirus pandemic is making it tough to narrow down Jupiter-3’s completion date with enough confidence to sign a launch contract.

“We have deferred [the launcher selection] decision partly out of prudence,” Johnson said during a May 7 call with analysts to discuss EchoStar’s first quarter results. “Because, obviously as soon as we order a launch vehicle, we are going to have to start making payments on it. So we’ve deferred that decision until we get some greater specificity as to when the satellite will be completed.”

Pradman Kaul, president of Hughes Network Services, EchoStar’s largest business unit, said EchoStar was among the customers Maxar sent force majeure notices that the coronavirus pandemic may delay spacecraft production.

EchoStar’s best guess at when Jupiter-3 will launch is now the second half of 2021, Kaul said...

SN EchoStar launch of Jupiter 3 broadband satellite slips to 2022, November 6, 2020, Debra Werner
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SAN FRANCISCO – EchoStar Corp. plans to launch the Jupiter 3 broadband satellite in the first quarter of 2022 but has not yet selected a launch provider, company officials said during a Nov. 5 earnings call.

SN EchoStar reports Jupiter-3 delay and nanosatellite failures, February 23, 2021, Debra Werner
[February 23 quarterly earnings call]
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However, the Jupiter-3 launch has now slipped to the second half of 2022 “due in part to the COVID-19 restrictions that every company is facing and in part to production issues with certain components,” said Pradman Kaul, Hughes Network Systems president. “We are working diligently with Maxar to both mitigate these issues and identify ways to recover the schedule without risk for the satellite.”

EchoStar has selected the launch vehicle for Jupiter-3 but not yet announced it. Kaul said the large rocket selected “should limit the amount of time related to satellite orbit raising, which will assist our in-service schedule.”

SN EchoStar says Jupiter-3 won’t be ready for 2022 launch, May 5, 2022, Jason Rainbow
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TAMPA, Fla. — EchoStar says satellite builder Maxar Technologies won’t deliver its long-awaited Jupiter-3 satellite in time for its end-of-year launch on a SpaceX Falcon Heavy rocket.

The head of EchoStar’s Hughes Network Systems said in a May 5 earnings call that the satellite, which it badly needs to relieve broadband capacity constraints in the Americas, won’t launch before the first quarter of 2023.

“This delay is due in part to relocation of critical resources at Maxar to a higher priority government-related spacecraft project,” said Pradman Kaul, president of Hughes Networks Systems, the EchoStar subsidiary that operates the Jupiter network.
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More pandemic-related setbacks pushed Jupiter-3’s launch date to various points in the year [2022] before the latest delay knocked it into 2023.

[Falcon Heavy confirmed May 16, 2022.]
EchoStar 24 / Jupiter 3 is scheduled for launch on a Falcon 9 in early 2023 [May 5]

https://spacenews.com/echostar-says-jupiter-3-wont-be-ready-for-2022-launch/

F9 was a mistake. It's actually launching on FH:

https://twitter.com/ElonXnet/status/1526188916705042432

Quote from: ElonXnet tweet
Thanks to @JasonRainbow for confirming that @EchoStar's massive Jupiter-3 satellite will indeed be launching on #SpaceX Falcon Heavy, not Falcon 9 as previously reported.

With a mass of 9,200 kg, as per @pbdes, F9 never made much sense.

Cross-post:
Just updated a few booster assignments on nextspaceflight, specifically for the FH missions this year. 72 and 75 will not fly as FH side boosters as originally planned and will now remain as F9 boosters for the foreseeable future.
B1079 (FH Core):
- EchoStar XXIV / Jupiter-3 (NET May)
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