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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #580 on: 07/27/2023 01:03 am »
1525-EX-ST-2023  SpaceX Mission 1901 Starlink Group 6-19
1526-EX-ST-2023  SpaceX Mission 1902 Starlink Group 6-21
1528-EX-ST-2023  SpaceX Mission 1877 Starlink Group 6-22
1529-EX-ST-2023  SpaceX Mission 1878 Starlink Group 6-23
1530-EX-ST-2023  SpaceX Mission 1918 Starlink Group 6-24
1531-EX-ST-2023  SpaceX Mission 1879 Starlink Group 6-25
1532-EX-ST-2023  SpaceX Mission 1903 Starlink Group 6-26

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #581 on: 07/27/2023 07:15 pm »
1537-EX-ST-2023  SpaceX Mission 1919 Starlink Group 6-27
1539-EX-ST-2023  SpaceX Mission 1904 Starlink Group 6-28

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #582 on: 07/27/2023 07:44 pm »
Interesting that the original licenses for Starlinks 6-22, 6-23, and 6-27 were from Vandy but these new ones are now saying they will launch from the Cape
Launches Seen: Atlas V OA-7, Falcon 9 Starlink 6-4, Falcon 9 CRS-28,

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #583 on: 07/28/2023 01:07 am »
I'm kinda reaching the point of "why bother posting yet, there's just gonna be more"...


1542-EX-ST-2023  SpaceX Mission 1905 Starlink Group 6-29
1543-EX-ST-2023  SpaceX Mission 1880 Starlink Group 6-30
1544-EX-ST-2023  SpaceX Mission 1906 Starlink Group 6-31

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #584 on: 07/28/2023 10:43 pm »
RTLS from Florida NET September
1551-EX-ST-2023  Mission 1815

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #585 on: 07/29/2023 12:05 am »
RTLS from Florida NET September
1551-EX-ST-2023  Mission 1815

RTLS, interesting.
Wildly optimistic prediction, Superheavy recovery on IFT-4 or IFT-5 (Welp a little early on IFT-4, but still have a shot at 5)

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #586 on: 07/29/2023 08:24 pm »
RTLS from Florida NET September
1551-EX-ST-2023  Mission 1815

Could this be USSF-124?

A presentation from the US Space Force has USSF-124 on Falcon 9 for September 29th 2023, and USSF-52 on Falcon Heavy for September 1st 2023.

Edit to add: https://sam.gov/api/prod/opps/v3/opportunities/resources/files/89e2561749e04077a264c9092898e8aa/download?&token=
Launches Seen: Atlas V OA-7, Falcon 9 Starlink 6-4, Falcon 9 CRS-28,

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #587 on: 07/30/2023 12:04 am »
https://twitter.com/USSF_SSC/status/1529969683671134209

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#SSC ordered 8 National Security Space Launch missions from our industry partners #ULA & #SpaceX for launch in 2024 for #SpaceForce. https://go.usa.gov/xJY2b

Not sure perhaps that in 2024 is meant to be by 2024?

Do we know if USSF-36 & NROL-69 will be droneship or RTLS or expended?

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #588 on: 07/30/2023 04:31 pm »
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#SSC ordered 8 National Security Space Launch missions from our industry partners #ULA & #SpaceX for launch in 2024 for #SpaceForce. https://go.usa.gov/xJY2b

Not sure perhaps that in 2024 is meant to be by 2024?

Do we know if USSF-36 & NROL-69 will be droneship or RTLS or expended?

Maybe it's a Fiscal Year thing?

And no, we do not know whether USSF-36 & NROL-69 are ASDS, RTLS or Expended.
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #589 on: 08/01/2023 11:13 pm »
1427-EX-ST-2023  SpaceX Mission 2183 Starlink Group 7-1
1428-EX-ST-2023  SpaceX Mission 2184 Starlink Group 7-2
1429-EX-ST-2023  SpaceX Mission 2185 Starlink Group 7-3

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1571-EX-ST-2023  SpaceX Mission 2184 Starlink Group 7-2 Dogleg Trajectory
1572-EX-ST-2023  SpaceX Mission 2185 Starlink Group 7-3 Dogleg Trajectory
1573-EX-ST-2023  SpaceX Mission 2186 Starlink Group 7-4 Dogleg Trajectory

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #590 on: 08/02/2023 02:02 am »
1575-EX-ST-2023  SpaceX Mission 2189 Starlink Group 7-7 Flyover option

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #591 on: 08/09/2023 01:43 am »
1631-EX-ST-2023  Mission 2190 Starlink Group 7-8/Dogleg Trajectory Option
ASDS North  28  55  50   West  119  5  24

1633-EX-ST-2023  Mission 2190 Starlink Group 7-8/Flyover Option
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #592 on: 08/09/2023 03:24 am »
What does "flyover" mean?

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #593 on: 08/09/2023 04:07 am »
What does "flyover" mean?
Flyover of the VSFB South base instead of going out over the Pacific and dogleging over to avoid flying over the base, especially when another launch vehicle is being prepared (i.e. Delta V heavy at SLC-6).  Since being given future lease access to this launch site, SpaceX has been using the flyover option almost consistently, saving on fuel on the dogleg maneuver.  The location of the landing barge is different on each option, necessitating a separate FCC license.

Jim may have clearer info as he has worked here on many occasions.

Also, this does not cover the dogleg that is done at Stage Separation (illustrated in the second photo)

The last two photos are examples of the Dogleg Option. Note the flight deviation right after launch to avoid the base flyover (red allow).  The fourth photo shows that the landing barge has to be positioned in a different location to accommodate the change.  The FCC license has the coordinates for the landing barge annotated.
« Last Edit: 08/09/2023 04:36 am by catdlr »
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #594 on: 08/09/2023 04:08 pm »
If I understand this, both flyover and dogleg are coast-hugging launches, and they both involve a bend in trajectory?  But it happens at different time points in the launch.

Edit for clarity.
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #595 on: 08/09/2023 09:21 pm »
If I understand this, both flyover and dogleg are coast-hugging launches, and they both involve a bend in trajectory?  But it happens at different time points in the launch.

Edit for clarity.
As stated, yes.

Details and background:
The final orbit inclination for the mission is a crucial factor. Trajectories with final orbit inclinations farther away from the west coast may still require a flyover dogleg until the payload inclination is far enough west that the immediate dogleg is no longer necessary. The immediate dogleg is put in place to prevent launch failures that could potentially damage other launch facilities, launch vehicles, or public beaches during the first minute of launch. Launches from SLC-6 typically don't have this restriction, but Atlas and SpaceX locations do. Delta II Launch Pad, due to its more western location by the airport, is not as restrictive.

In the past, launches from VSFB were mostly for westward missile testing, retrograde launches, and polar orbits that didn't require the initial flyover dogleg. However, SpaceX has taken on the challenge of flying inclinations that are more eastward, passing over land and hugging the west coast while avoiding Mexico during power flights.

The second dogleg is only required to place the vehicle into the correct orbit inclination, which may come at a Second Engine startup or even later in the flight to GEO flight. A second dogleg is also necessary to avoid overflight from Mexico (Baja California, Cabo) during the powered flight until the vehicle reaches orbit, similar to the process of preventing overflight over the Bahamas. The SpaceX landing barge cannot be too close to the shore or the islands that dot the west coast. Thus, the initial leg of the flight until MECO may take one trajectory, targeted for the landing barge, then SES begins the second dogleg to get the payload to the mission payload inclination.

Rockets with strap-on boosters also had to wait to dispose of them until they passed over oil derricks that also dot the west coast.

Lastly, an FCC license is required to request and grant permission to transmit and receive communication from the LV ton and from receiving assets (including the barge) for specific frequencies.

It's worth noting that the same flyover doglegs are necessary when SpaceX launches in a southern inclination from LC-40 and 39 to avoid overflight of Cape assets (Air Force base, other LCs) and populated areas along the eastern coast of Florida (Fort Lauderdale, Miami, etc.). (See Attached SATCOM-1 photo)

Overall, these flyover and dogleg maneuvers are present on both coasts and are dependent on mission profile, public safety, and U.S. military asset requirements when flying close to land or "Coast Hugging."

Hope this overly clarifies this. Now back to the thread. (If I missed something it's because I forgot my coffee)
« Last Edit: 08/09/2023 09:34 pm by catdlr »
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #596 on: 08/10/2023 12:08 am »
Got it.  👍

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #597 on: 08/18/2023 08:42 pm »
CRS-29?

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #598 on: 08/19/2023 07:03 pm »
CRS-29?

1642-EX-ST-2023
NET Sept  SpaceX Mission 1630 (partial boostback option) launching from Launch Complex 39A at KSC
ASDS  North  30  32  47   West  78  26  55

... and the RTLS version:
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SpaceX Mission 1630 (RTLS) launching from Launch Complex 39A at KSC

CRS-29?

1642-EX-ST-2023
NET Sept  SpaceX Mission 1630 (partial boostback option) launching from Launch Complex 39A at KSC
ASDS  North  30  32  47   West  78  26  55

... and the RTLS version:
1725-EX-ST-2023
SpaceX Mission 1630 (RTLS) launching from Launch Complex 39A at KSC

Could be the difference between MVac engine versions, whether they use the short nozzle or not. If they do, possibly save money. But it could impact cadence out of pad 40 with use of a droneship.
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