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Offline edzieba

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So is a liquid-fueled booster worth it? What if SH had been a giant SRB instead?

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Incoming tweet:

"Super Heavy is being redesigned again. Delightfully counterintuitive!!"
Cluster's Revenge: it's just 10 Falcon 9s strapped together. '10-pin staging', going for a strike on the first attempt! No need for 10 landing pads, chopsticks to rapidly snatch returning cores out of the air like flies.

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Hi, just wanted to know what went wrong with both SH and SS during IFT-2
.thanks :-[
« Last Edit: 11/23/2023 01:04 pm by Star-Dust »

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Hi, just wanted to know what went wrong with both SH and SS during IFT-2
.thanks :-[

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Hi, just wanted to know what went wrong with both SH and SS during IFT-2
.thanks :-[

They went boom.

While there's a lot of speculation as to why they went boom, we don't have enough data to know for certain.
 
If you want to get into speculative territory, some of it quite well informed, there's lots of threads to read not easily summarized in one post.

Another good question is what went right, for a good write up on the topic you could read https://www.google.com/amp/s/arstechnica.com/space/2023/11/heres-why-this-weekends-starship-launch-was-actually-a-huge-success/amp/

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November 24th 2023 Updates:  Starship V2?

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1727967723806761343
Tweet contents:  Four more Starships, the last of V1
Oh no, not another spaceX nomenclature! Get ready for:
Starship V1
Starship Block 2
Starship Much Full Very Thrust Wow
Starship Model 5
Starship 5.1
New New New New New Starship.
« Last Edit: 11/24/2023 12:44 pm by edzieba »

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I wonder if SS v2 will use Stoke US concept. :)

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November 24th 2023 Updates:  Starship V2?

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1727967723806761343
Tweet contents:  Four more Starships, the last of V1
Oh no, not another spaceX nomenclature! Get ready for:
Starship V1
Starship Block 2
Starship Much Full Very Thrust Wow
Starship Model 5
Starship 5.1
New New New New New Starship.

Starship Model S Plaid/Cyberthrust

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<snip>
Oh no, not another spaceX nomenclature! Get ready for:
Starship V1
Starship Block 2
Starship Much Full Very Thrust Wow
Starship Model 5
Starship 5.1
New New New New New Starship.

Starship Model S Plaid/Cyberthrust
Elon could make a deal with a specified Anime production house and can called a future variant of the Starship the Jade Falcon.  :)

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Hi, just wanted to know what went wrong with both SH and SS during IFT-2
.thanks :-[
So does most of the readership; but I'm not really expecting to learn until after:
a. SpaceX knows
which they may already
b. SpaceX knows what they intend to do about all issues that arose:
which may still be in progress
c. SpaceX has told parties they are obliged/agreed to tell
esp. those who handle upcoming licenses and other approvals.
Working for SX could be exhilarating, as long as the job description doesn't include Master PERT Chart.

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An edited quotation first, sounding eerily familiar:
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It was the opinion of the commander that the way to achieve early success in the program was through frequent flights. He believed that the real payoff in learning "What to do" would be proven in flight tests, and that in this initial phase of developing a space capability, it was better to suffer some embarrassments on end results than to have a stretched out "no action" program. As these developmental flights were in process, however, he was deeply concerned that more publicity was being given to failures than to the successful "firsts" being achieved.

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It was the opinion of the BMD Commander, Brig. General Osmund J. Ritland, that the way to achieve early success in the DISCOVERER Program was through frequent flights. He believed that the real payoff in learning "What to do" would be proven in flight tests, and that in this initial phase of developing a space capabilty, it was better to suffer some embarrassments on end results than to have a stretched out "no action" program. As these developmental flights were in process, however, he was deeply concerned that more publicity was being given to failures than to the successful "firsts" being achieved.

From https://www.nro.gov/Portals/65/documents/foia/declass/mapping1.pdf page 47.
Discoverer flights were taking place in 1959....
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November 24th 2023 Updates:  Starship V2?

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1727967723806761343
Tweet contents:  Four more Starships, the last of V1
Oh no, not another spaceX nomenclature! Get ready for:
Starship V1
Starship Block 2
Starship Much Full Very Thrust Wow
Starship Model 5
Starship 5.1
New New New New New Starship.

You missed some versions:

Starship X
Starship XXX
Starship Moar Engines
Very much more Starship
Starship "goes up to eleven" edition



« Last Edit: 12/17/2023 10:26 pm by hkultala »

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Starship "goes up to eleven" edition
I confess I want to hear more about Starship "goes up to eleven meters" edition. Can we skip the ones in between?

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Starship "goes up to eleven" edition
I confess I want to hear more about Starship "goes up to eleven meters" edition. Can we skip the ones in between?

Well, that's not its official name of course. Officially its the  "Where Can You Go From There?" Starship.


« Last Edit: 12/17/2023 11:56 pm by sdsds »
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And  he gets to eleven ? What a sick joke !  (McKean... same actor. Chuck McGill was member of Spinal tap before a lawyer at HHM)

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Quite the tease …

https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1740526228589986193

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Mars ISRU was what I worked on for my last 5 years at SpaceX

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Starship is large.  HLS has a sizable footprint. I wonder the degree to which they have studied micro meteor / debris impact potential and risk. How much mitigation will there be.


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Mueller retired from SpaceX in 2020. Assuming work didn't halt when he went, then they've been working on their ISRU solution at least eight years.

We've barely seen anything other than a few bits of stuff at  Cidco Road.

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Mueller retired from SpaceX in 2020. Assuming work didn't halt when he went, then they've been working on their ISRU solution at least eight years.

We've barely seen anything other than a few bits of stuff at  Cidco Road.

Also he also talked about working with nuclear powered craft or devices too. But I think that went no where though. Though they are going to need it for Mars.

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Mueller retired from SpaceX in 2020. Assuming work didn't halt when he went, then they've been working on their ISRU solution at least eight years.

We've barely seen anything other than a few bits of stuff at  Cidco Road.

That's because ~85% of the stuff SpaceX works on happens behind closed doors:
For example: has the general public ever seen images of the Raptor production line?
Another example: has the general public ever seen images of the Starlink satellite production lines?
Third example: has the general public ever seen images of the Starlink terminal production lines?
Fourth example: has the general public ever seen images of the Crew Dragon IVA suit production line?
Fifth example: has the general public ever seen good images of the various SpaceX R&D laboratories?
Sixth example: has the general public ever seen images of the interior and working spaces of the Crew & Cargo Dragon refurbishment facility at the Cape?
Etc, etc, etc.

People need to realize that the happenings on display at Boca Chica are the exception rather than the norm. What happens in Boca is like only 10% of all the stuff SpaceX is doing. For all its supposed "openness", SpaceX is actually nearly as secretive as Blue Origin. The vast majority of the work being done is never viewed by the general public. The general public only gets to see the final products. But how they are designed, developed, constructed and refurbished happens almost entirely out of view.
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Mueller retired from SpaceX in 2020. Assuming work didn't halt when he went, then they've been working on their ISRU solution at least eight years.

We've barely seen anything other than a few bits of stuff at  Cidco Road.

That's because ~85% of the stuff SpaceX works on happens behind closed doors:
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Fourth example: has the general public ever seen images of the Crew Dragon IVA suit production line?
<snip>

Ahem, there are several youtube videos showcasing the production of the SX IVA suit and the workspace. Including one video that was on the SpaceX youtube channel.

In case anyone wonder what that workspace look like. It is just like most haute couture workshop.

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