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Re: SpaceX advances drive for Mars rocket via Raptor power
« Reply #400 on: 05/20/2014 10:03 am »
SpaceX advances drive for Mars rocket via Raptor power article on NSF
Alejandro, a slightly off-topic note: black & white photo does not show Korolev and Glushko. It is a snapshot from a Soviet fiction movie "Taming of the Fire" (1972)  ;) It also has an amazing SOUNDTRACK
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Re: SpaceX advances drive for Mars rocket via Raptor power
« Reply #401 on: 05/20/2014 01:52 pm »
I thought that it was them young, I had heard about the movie but never seen it. But the one that put the pictures was Chris. I will PM him. Thanks fregate!

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SpaceX advances drive for Mars rocket via Raptor power article on NSF
Alejandro, a slightly off-topic note: black & white photo does not show Korolev and Glushko. It is a snapshot from a Soviet fiction movie "Taming of the Fire" (1972)  ;) It also has an amazing SOUNDTRACK
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Oh that's my fault. I add the images and links in all articles.

Shame, as it's a great photo! ;D

I'll remove it, but if anyone has a good image that would be a good replacement, please add it to the thread and Pm me.... :)
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Re: SpaceX advances drive for Mars rocket via Raptor power
« Reply #403 on: 05/20/2014 06:43 pm »
I'll remove it, but if anyone has a good image that would be a good replacement, please add it to the thread and Pm me.... :)

Not the best quality picture, but this is one of very small number I found where both Valentin Glushko (second from left) and Sergey Korolyev (third from left) are visible together.



For more pics of them google : Сергей Павлович Королев and Валентин Глушко
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Re: SpaceX advances drive for Mars rocket via Raptor power
« Reply #404 on: 05/21/2014 01:35 am »
Not a happy looking group!
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Re: SpaceX advances drive for Mars rocket via Raptor power
« Reply #405 on: 05/21/2014 04:46 am »
Not a happy looking group!

They're not unhappy, they're Russian.   ;)
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Re: SpaceX advances drive for Mars rocket via Raptor power
« Reply #406 on: 05/21/2014 06:59 am »
Not a happy looking group!
They're not unhappy, they're Russian.   ;)

Also picture taken in the coldest time of the Cold War. :)

But seriously as you might know there was a lot of competition and nagative relationships between soviet design bureaus during the Moon Race. There was no "Russian NASA" or Roscosmos as today which would ensure the unity and clear giudeline for the R&D institutes and space manufacturers. Which was one of the reasons why Russinans failed at that time.
That's why those men on the picture do not look very happy - they were mostly competitors, not friends.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_space_program#Internal_competition
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Re: SpaceX advances drive for Mars rocket via Raptor power
« Reply #407 on: 05/21/2014 11:12 am »
Regarding Raptor, should we consider Raptor-VAC to be the main engine for MCT or just the MPS for a dual-mode upper stage on a BFR? Everything I've seen so far seems to suggest that the BFR's upper stage and payload will be integrated but I can't see how a chemical engine, any chemical engine, could do the Mars transit in 90 days as Musk advocates. IMHO, the MCT needs its own high-impulse/thrust engine (possibly nuclear-electric or LCH4-burning nuclear-plasma, ) and the Raptor will just be the propulsion of the launch vehicle for ETO or any cis-lunar missions for which SpaceX gets a contract.

Not a happy looking group!

I'm genuinely surprised that they convinced Glushko and Korolev to sit together! The two of them despised each other on such a profound level that they couldn't even be allowed into the same room together without an argument breaking out!
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Re: SpaceX advances drive for Mars rocket via Raptor power
« Reply #408 on: 05/21/2014 05:19 pm »
Not the best quality picture, but this is one of very small number I found where both Valentin Glushko (second from left) and Sergey Korolyev (third from left) are visible together.
For more pics of them google : Сергей Павлович Королев and Валентин Глушко

Not saying it is, but this this photo sure looks "photoshopped" or the old-time equivalent.  Head positions and focus of the faces compared to bodies seems a bit off, at least on a few of these gentlemen   ???

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Re: SpaceX advances drive for Mars rocket via Raptor power
« Reply #409 on: 05/21/2014 08:42 pm »
SpaceX advances drive for Mars rocket via Raptor power article on NSF
Alejandro, a slightly off-topic note: black & white photo does not show Korolev and Glushko. It is a snapshot from a Soviet fiction movie "Taming of the Fire" (1972)  ;) It also has an amazing SOUNDTRACK
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wikipedia

This is OT, but the movie is available on YouTube (see this post).
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Re: SpaceX advances drive for Mars rocket via Raptor power
« Reply #410 on: 07/06/2014 05:56 am »
SpaceX had their ribbon cutting back in April, 3 months ago now. They indicated they would be testing a single injector first.

Do we have any more news?
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Re: SpaceX advances drive for Mars rocket via Raptor power
« Reply #411 on: 07/06/2014 01:11 pm »
After the legal actions, Raptor's designer suspended all presentations. My guess is that we won't see any news nor press release for a while.

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Re: SpaceX advances drive for Mars rocket via Raptor power
« Reply #412 on: 07/06/2014 04:54 pm »
Mueller gave a presentation to the late May propulsion conference in Cologne, Germany, the only account of which I've seen was an article in the June 9  Aviation Week about AR1 and Raptor.

Downside: it's behind a paywall.

Updated Raptor specs, but I won't repeat them due to said paywall. Little info about the progress at Stennis that isn't public though.

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Re: SpaceX advances drive for Mars rocket via Raptor power
« Reply #413 on: 07/06/2014 05:00 pm »
After the legal actions, Raptor's designer suspended all presentations. My guess is that we won't see any news nor press release for a while.
What legal actions?

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Re: SpaceX advances drive for Mars rocket via Raptor power
« Reply #414 on: 07/06/2014 05:06 pm »
The USAF lawsuit.

IMO, they don't want the SLS crowd getting their feathers ruffled while the USAF suit is going on too.
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Re: SpaceX advances drive for Mars rocket via Raptor power
« Reply #415 on: 07/06/2014 05:53 pm »
IMO, they don't want the SLS crowd getting their feathers ruffled while the USAF suit is going on too.
What does Space Launch System have to do with any of this?

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Re: SpaceX advances drive for Mars rocket via Raptor power
« Reply #416 on: 07/06/2014 06:32 pm »
What does Space Launch System have to do with any of this?
Presumably, the BFR implied by the currently projected performance numbers for Raptor would put it into direct competition with SLS. In fact, it would massively outperform SLS, at what is assumed would be a much lower cost per kg to LEO, especially if reusability is considered. Spacex might not wish to draw attention to this embarrassing (to Congress) potential issue by publicly disclosing the Raptor numbers at this time.

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Re: SpaceX advances drive for Mars rocket via Raptor power
« Reply #417 on: 07/06/2014 06:38 pm »
IMO, they don't want the SLS crowd getting their feathers ruffled while the USAF suit is going on too.
What does Space Launch System have to do with any of this?

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They're already in conflict with the USAF (block buy) and Shelby (CC). Putting too much info abput a potential SLS competitor in the public domain could start a third conflict. 

Ask Germany about 3 front wars.

As it is now BFR doesn't seem "real" to most of those congresscritters not following it closely. No need to change that by giving Shelby more to be paranoid over.
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Re: SpaceX advances drive for Mars rocket via Raptor power
« Reply #418 on: 07/06/2014 06:38 pm »
What does Space Launch System have to do with any of this?
Presumably, the BFR implied by the currently projected performance numbers for Raptor would put it into direct competition with SLS. In fact, it would massively outperform SLS, at what is assumed would be a much lower cost per kg to LEO, especially if reusability is considered. Spacex might not wish to draw attention to this embarrassing (to Congress) potential issue by publicly disclosing the Raptor numbers at this time.

I think the rollback in public exposure for Raptor is more due to the recent RD-180 turmoil than anything else. If there is a competition for a new American hydrocrabon boost engine, I'm sure SpaceX would at least consider submitting Raptor or a Raptor derivative engine in order to get funding for development instead of having to foot the bill themselves. Anything they put out publicly gives their competition an advantage. SLS may be a tiny secondary concern, but I can't see it being the driving factor in keeping Raptor private.

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Re: SpaceX advances drive for Mars rocket via Raptor power
« Reply #419 on: 07/06/2014 06:41 pm »
What does Space Launch System have to do with any of this?
Presumably, the BFR implied by the currently projected performance numbers for Raptor would put it into direct competition with SLS. In fact, it would massively outperform SLS, at what is assumed would be a much lower cost per kg to LEO, especially if reusability is considered. Spacex might not wish to draw attention to this embarrassing (to Congress) potential issue by publicly disclosing the Raptor numbers at this time.

I think the rollback in public exposure for Raptor is more due to the recent RD-180 turmoil than anything else. If there is a competition for a new American hydrocrabon boost engine, I'm sure SpaceX would at least consider submitting Raptor or a Raptor derivative engine in order to get funding for development instead of having to foot the bill themselves. Anything they put out publicly gives their competition an advantage. SLS may be a tiny secondary concern, but I can't see it being the driving factor in keeping Raptor private.

That too, meaning the engine competition. But I'd still be wary of it being a  4th front. 
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