Quote from: yg1968 on 12/07/2022 02:47 amTrump (like many other Presidents) is a big picture guy, he doesn't want to know the details as long as it gets done. In that exchange, I disagree with what Whitson is saying, the United States doesn't need international cooperation to get humans to Mars.You're entitled to your opinion. Except the only way the Orion SM got done was because ESA supplied as it's contribution to ISS support. Mercury didn't need that.Gemini didn't need that.Apollo didn't need that. The contractor swallowed the whole budget on the capsule. Not a cent on the SM left. But perhaps you feel Sen. Shellby and the other Senators of the "Space states" failed to secure adequate funding for Orion during its long construction period and with just a little bit more of a push it could have stayed a 100% US effort?That's possible. If Trump is elected again maybe we'll find out. Or not.
Trump (like many other Presidents) is a big picture guy, he doesn't want to know the details as long as it gets done. In that exchange, I disagree with what Whitson is saying, the United States doesn't need international cooperation to get humans to Mars.
You make a good point about the service module, ideally that bargain shouldn't have been made. But I remember that part of the reason that the SM was given to ESA was to make Orion harder to cancel.
Quote from: yg1968 on 12/10/2022 03:20 pmYou make a good point about the service module, ideally that bargain shouldn't have been made. But I remember that part of the reason that the SM was given to ESA was to make Orion harder to cancel.IIRC the actual wording was that NASA had several options for how ESA could make that years contribution to the ISS system.NASA chose to take it as the Orion SM. What you're not seeing is that situation existed because the contractor left no budget for the SM Which looks like a quite stunning failure in management to me. But that's just my opinion.
Incidentally, I don't know why you think that I wish for Trump to win. It's not clear at this time that he will be the Republican candidate in 2024. I am just commenting on his Mars plans, that is all. This thread is a discussion of Trump's Mars plans, not his chances of being the Republican candidate or of him winning the Presidency in 2024 (both of these subjects are off topic).
And we will plant our beautiful American flag very soon on the surface of Mars...
Correction, Trump doesn't have a "plan", he has only stated a goal:
plan1. a detailed proposal for doing or achieving something."the UN peace plan"2. an intention or decision about what one is going to do."I have no plans to retire"
Quote from: Coastal Ron on 12/10/2022 06:51 pmCorrection, Trump doesn't have a "plan", he has only stated a goal:The dictionary is your friend.
plan1. a detailed proposal for doing or achieving something."the UN peace plan"
Quote from: yg1968 on 12/10/2022 08:12 pmQuote from: Coastal Ron on 12/10/2022 06:51 pmCorrection, Trump doesn't have a "plan", he has only stated a goal:The dictionary is your friend.So is context. The English language is well known for having different meanings for the same word, depending on context. In this case Trump is not announcing his retirement, he is announcing a national goal.
plan 2. an intention or decision about what one is going to do."I have no plans to retire"Similar: intention, aim, idea, intent, objective, object, goal, target