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A1252/22 NOTAMN
Q) NFFF/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/2347S16430E090
A) NFFF B) 2211250600 C) 2211281000
D) DLY FM 0600 - 1000 UTC
E) TEMPO DANGER AREA ACTIVATED DUE AEROSPACE FLIGHT
ACTIVITY IN AREA BOUNDED BY APRX COORD:
- S12 36 00 E172 31 00 TO
- S11 06 00 E170 13 00 TO
- S10 30 00 E170 37 00 TO
- S11 59 00 E172 55 00 THENCE TO
- S12 36 00 E172 31 00
ATS ROUTE AFFECTED:
-B474 ROUTE SEGMENT BETWEEN WPT ATRAS TO 'SON' VOR
-G223 ROUTE SEGMENT FM POINT APPROX 135NM NW BOUND TO ATRAS
AIRMEN SHALL AVOID THE AREA AND EXER EXTREME CTN WHEN OPERATING IN
CLOSE PROXIMITY OF THE AREA
F) SFC G) UN
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Looks like KZ-1A indeed, and the orbit inclination may be close to 35°.
This message reflects my personal opinion based on open sources of information.

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Looks like KZ-1A indeed, and the orbit inclination may be close to 35°.
So the payloads might be S7/S8?

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New NOTAM suggests a solid rocket launch from Xichang NET NOV.25. Airspace reserved 06:00~10:00UTC daily from NOV.25 to NOV.28. Long March 11?

https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1590984896948101126

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A6504/22 NOTAMN
Q) RCAA/QXXXX/IV/BO/E/000/999/2214N11759E052
A) RCAA B) 2211242200 C) 2211280200
D) 2200-0200
E) AIRSPACE BLOCKED DUE TO AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACTIVITY:
1. AFFECTED RTE:
R200 /T1 TRANSITION/ J1 TRANSITION SUSPENDED,
A1 BTN KADLO AND ELATO,
M750 BTN ENVAR AND RENOT,
G581 BTN PARPA AND ELATO,
2. AREA AS FLW:
GEO:
213400N 1183300E
221400N 1170400E
225400N 1172400E
221300N 1185400E
213400N 1183300E
F) SFC G) UNL
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A6507/22 NOTAMN
Q) RCAA/QARLT/IV/NBO/E/000/999/2502N12039E298
A) RCAA B) 2211242110 C) 2211280200
D) 2110-0200
E) DUE TO AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACTIVITY, ALTN RTE FOR A1/M750/G581/R200
ARE ESTABLISHED FOR DEP/ARR FLIGHTS WITHIN TAIPEI FIR.
1. DEP FLIGHTS:
 (1) RCTP DEP:
     DEP RTE GABBY PARPA ANDRE G86 KAPLI (A1/T1/G86)
     DEP RTE MKG A1 EXPECT RADAR VECTOR TO OLDID (R200)
 (2) RCSS/RCMQ DEP:
     DEP RTE TNN A577 PARPA ANDRE G86 KAPLI (A1/T1/G86)
     DEP RTE MKG A1 EXPECT RADAR VECTOR TO OLDID (R200)
 (3) RCKH DEP:
     DEP RTE PARPA ANDRE G86 KAPLI (G581)
     DEP RTE TNN W6 MKG A1 EXPECT RADAR VECTOR TO OLDID (R200)
2. ARR FLIGHTS:
 (1) RCTP/RCSS/RCMQ ARR:
     KAPLI G86 A577 TNN (A1/M750/G86)
     OLDID EXPECT RADAR VECTOR TO JOIN M750/A1 (R200)
 (2) RCKH ARR:
     KAPLI G86 A577 PARPA (G581)
     OLDID EXPECT RADAR VECTOR TO JOIN M750/A1 W6 TNN (R200)
FOR DETAILS, CONTACT TAIPEI ACC AT +886 3 3841040.
RMK: REF NOTAM A6504/22
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A6508/22 NOTAMN
Q) RCAA/QARLT/IV/NBO/E/000/999/2502N12039E298
A) RCAA B) 2211242130 C) 2211280200
D) 2130-0200
E) ALTN RTE FOR A1/M750/G581 ARE ESTABLISHED FOR TRANSIT FLIGHTS DUE
TO
AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACTIVITY.
1.A1: A1 APU B1 ANLOT W4 TNN A577 G86 KAPLI AND VICE VERSA.
2.M750: KAPLI G86 ANDRE A577 TNN W4 ANLOT M750
        KAPLI G86 ANDRE A577 TNN W4 ANLOT B1 APU A1 DRAKE Q11 LIPLO
        KAPLI G86 HCN J7 Q13 IGURU
3.G581: KAPLI G86 HCN J7 Q13 IGURU (EAST BOUND)
  G581: IGURU Q13 J7 HCN G86 KAPLI (WEST BOUND)
RMK: REF NOTAM A6504/22
This might be for CZ-11 and with mistake launch time.

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Re: ? -CZ-11 - Xichang - November 25, 2022 (~07:20 UTC)
« Reply #5 on: 11/19/2022 08:05 am »
The CZ-11 two launched for LEO in past from Xichang:
长征十一号(遥8),2020年05月30日04时13分 local time
长征十一号(遥9),2020年12月10日04时14分43秒253毫秒 local time

so The launch time 23:20 on 24 is near past time more than 08:20 on 25.

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A new airspace closure to the south of Taiwan Strait, 2200~0200 UTC from NOV.24 to 28, aligns well with a previously one posted by Fiji for a Long March 11 launch from Xichang, BUT the latter is 0600~1000 UTC from NOV.25 to 28.

https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1593905204126044161

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There is a chance two launches on NOV.24 from Xichang

https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1593905948707680256

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This is Y12 and payload named SJ2013 from some source.

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What does SJ mean?

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What does SJ mean?

Shi Jian (practice).
Akin's Laws of Spacecraft Design #1:  Engineering is done with numbers.  Analysis without numbers is only an opinion.

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What does SJ mean?

Shi Jian (practice).
I think it is ShenJian(神箭)!

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CZ-11 Y12 is moving to Xichang.

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A6504/22 NOTAMN
Q) RCAA/QXXXX/IV/BO/E/000/999/2214N11759E052
A) RCAA B) 2211242200 C) 2211280200
D) 2200-0200
E) AIRSPACE BLOCKED DUE TO AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACTIVITY:
1. AFFECTED RTE:
R200 /T1 TRANSITION/ J1 TRANSITION SUSPENDED,
A1 BTN KADLO AND ELATO,
M750 BTN ENVAR AND RENOT,
G581 BTN PARPA AND ELATO,
2. AREA AS FLW:
GEO:
213400N 1183300E
221400N 1170400E
225400N 1172400E
221300N 1185400E
213400N 1183300E
F) SFC G) UNL
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A6507/22 NOTAMN
Q) RCAA/QARLT/IV/NBO/E/000/999/2502N12039E298
A) RCAA B) 2211242110 C) 2211280200
D) 2110-0200
E) DUE TO AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACTIVITY, ALTN RTE FOR A1/M750/G581/R200
ARE ESTABLISHED FOR DEP/ARR FLIGHTS WITHIN TAIPEI FIR.
1. DEP FLIGHTS:
 (1) RCTP DEP:
     DEP RTE GABBY PARPA ANDRE G86 KAPLI (A1/T1/G86)
     DEP RTE MKG A1 EXPECT RADAR VECTOR TO OLDID (R200)
 (2) RCSS/RCMQ DEP:
     DEP RTE TNN A577 PARPA ANDRE G86 KAPLI (A1/T1/G86)
     DEP RTE MKG A1 EXPECT RADAR VECTOR TO OLDID (R200)
 (3) RCKH DEP:
     DEP RTE PARPA ANDRE G86 KAPLI (G581)
     DEP RTE TNN W6 MKG A1 EXPECT RADAR VECTOR TO OLDID (R200)
2. ARR FLIGHTS:
 (1) RCTP/RCSS/RCMQ ARR:
     KAPLI G86 A577 TNN (A1/M750/G86)
     OLDID EXPECT RADAR VECTOR TO JOIN M750/A1 (R200)
 (2) RCKH ARR:
     KAPLI G86 A577 PARPA (G581)
     OLDID EXPECT RADAR VECTOR TO JOIN M750/A1 W6 TNN (R200)
FOR DETAILS, CONTACT TAIPEI ACC AT +886 3 3841040.
RMK: REF NOTAM A6504/22
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A6508/22 NOTAMN
Q) RCAA/QARLT/IV/NBO/E/000/999/2502N12039E298
A) RCAA B) 2211242130 C) 2211280200
D) 2130-0200
E) ALTN RTE FOR A1/M750/G581 ARE ESTABLISHED FOR TRANSIT FLIGHTS DUE
TO
AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACTIVITY.
1.A1: A1 APU B1 ANLOT W4 TNN A577 G86 KAPLI AND VICE VERSA.
2.M750: KAPLI G86 ANDRE A577 TNN W4 ANLOT M750
        KAPLI G86 ANDRE A577 TNN W4 ANLOT B1 APU A1 DRAKE Q11 LIPLO
        KAPLI G86 HCN J7 Q13 IGURU
3.G581: KAPLI G86 HCN J7 Q13 IGURU (EAST BOUND)
  G581: IGURU Q13 J7 HCN G86 KAPLI (WEST BOUND)
RMK: REF NOTAM A6504/22
This might be for CZ-11 and with mistake launch time.
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Re: SJ2013 - CZ-11 - Xichang - November 25, 2022 (~07:20 UTC)
« Reply #14 on: 11/24/2022 05:34 am »
There is no NOTAM from China until now, this launch might be delayed, too.

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Re: SJ2013 - CZ-11 - Xichang - December 11, 2022 (~07:20 UTC)
« Reply #15 on: 11/24/2022 11:37 pm »
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A1252/22 NOTAMN
Q) NFFF/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/2347S16430E090
A) NFFF B) 2211250600 C) 2211281000
D) DLY FM 0600 - 1000 UTC
E) TEMPO DANGER AREA ACTIVATED DUE AEROSPACE FLIGHT
ACTIVITY IN AREA BOUNDED BY APRX COORD:
- S12 36 00 E172 31 00 TO
- S11 06 00 E170 13 00 TO
- S10 30 00 E170 37 00 TO
- S11 59 00 E172 55 00 THENCE TO
- S12 36 00 E172 31 00
ATS ROUTE AFFECTED:
-B474 ROUTE SEGMENT BETWEEN WPT ATRAS TO 'SON' VOR
-G223 ROUTE SEGMENT FM POINT APPROX 135NM NW BOUND TO ATRAS
AIRMEN SHALL AVOID THE AREA AND EXER EXTREME CTN WHEN OPERATING IN
CLOSE PROXIMITY OF THE AREA
F) SFC G) UN
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A1303/22 NOTAMN
Q) NFFF/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/2347S16430E090
A) NFFF B) 2212110600 C) 2212181000
D) DLY FM 0600 - 1000 UTC
E) TEMPO DANGER AREA ACTIVATED DUE AEROSPACE FLIGHT
ACTIVITY IN AREA BOUNDED BY APRX COORD:
- S12 36 00 E172 31 00 TO
- S11 06 00 E170 13 00 TO
- S10 30 00 E170 37 00 TO
- S11 59 00 E172 55 00 THENCE TO
- S12 36 00 E172 31 00
ATS ROUTE AFFECTED:
-B474 ROUTE SEGMENT BETWEEN WPT ATRAS TO 'SON' VOR
-G223 ROUTE SEGMENT FM POINT APPROX 135NM NW BOUND TO ATRAS
AIRMEN SHALL AVOID THE AREA AND EXER EXTREME CTN WHEN OPERATING IN
CLOSE PROXIMITY OF THE AREA
F) SFC G) UNL

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Re: SJ2013 - CZ-11 - Xichang - December 11, 2022 (~07:20 UTC)
« Reply #16 on: 11/25/2022 06:10 am »
Well, with the same launch window 16 days later we can dismiss any possibility of aiming at a certain orbital plane. This is something new, and the cover confirms this.
This message reflects my personal opinion based on open sources of information.

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Re: SJ2013 - CZ-11 - Xichang - December 11, 2022 (~07:20 UTC)
« Reply #17 on: 12/01/2022 04:17 am »
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A6763/22 NOTAMN
Q) RCAA/QXXXX/IV/BO/E/000/999/2214N11759E052
A) RCAA B) 2212102000 C) 2212180200
D) 2000-0200
E) AIRSPACE BLOCKED DUE TO AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACTIVITY:
1.AFFECTED RTE:
R200 /T1 TRANSITION/ J1 TRANSITION SUSPENDED,
A1 BTN KADLO AND ELATO,
M750 BTN ENVAR AND RENOT,
G581 BTN PARPA AND ELATO,
2.AREA AS FLW:
GEO:
213400N 1183300E
221400N 1170400E
225400N 1172400E
221300N 1185400E
213400N 1183300E
F) SFC G) UNL
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A6765/22 NOTAMN
Q) RCAA/QARLT/IV/NBO/E/000/999/2502N12039E298
A) RCAA B) 2212101910 C) 2212180200
D) 1910-0200
E) DUE TO AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACTIVITY, ALTN RTE FOR A1/M750/G581/R200
ARE ESTABLISHED FOR DEP/ARR FLIGHTS WITHIN TAIPEI FIR.
1.DEP FLIGHTS:
 (1) RCTP DEP:
     DEP RTE CHALI T5 PARPA A577 ANDRE G86 KAPLI (A1/T1/G86)
     DEP RTE CHALI T3 MKG A1 KADLO DCT OLDID (R200)
 (2) RCSS/RCMQ DEP:
     DEP RTE TNN A577 ANDRE G86 KAPLI (A1/T1/G86)
     DEP RTE MKG A1 KADLO DCT OLDID (R200)
 (3) RCKH DEP:
     DEP RTE PARPA A577 ANDRE G86 KAPLI (G581)
     DEP RTE TNN W6 MKG A1 KADLO DCT OLDID (R200)
2.ARR FLIGHTS:
 (1) RCTP/RCSS/RCMQ ARR:
     KAPLI G86 ANDRE A577 TNN (A1/M750/G86)
     RNAV RTE  OLDID DCT RENOT M750 TONGA (R200)
     NON-RNAV RTE OLDID DCT KADLO A1 (R200)
 (2) RCKH ARR:
     KAPLI G86 ANDRE A577 PARPA (G581)
     OLDID DCT RENOT M750 TOROX W6 TNN (R200)
FOR DETAILS, CONTACT TAIPEI ACC AT +886 3 3841040.
RMK: REF NOTAM A6763/22.
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A6766/22 NOTAMN
Q) RCAA/QARLT/IV/NBO/E/000/999/2502N12039E298
A) RCAA B) 2212101910 C) 2212180200
D) 1910-0200
E) ALTN RTE FOR A1/M750/G581 ARE ESTABLISHED FOR TRANSIT FLIGHTS
DUE TO AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACTIVITY.
1.A1: APU B1 ANLOT W4 TNN A577 ANDRE G86 KAPLI AND VICE VERSA.
2.M750: KAPLI G86 ANDRE A577 TNN W4 ANLOT M750
        KAPLI G86 ANDRE A577 TNN W4 ANLOT B1 APU A1 DRAKE Q11 LIPLO
        KAPLI G86 HCN J7 Q13 IGURU
3.G581: KAPLI G86 HCN J7 Q13 IGURU (EAST BOUND)
  G581: IGURU Q13 J7 HCN G86 KAPLI (WEST BOUND)
RMK: REF NOTAM A6763/22.
This is the same mistake time for timezone as the previous.
« Last Edit: 12/01/2022 04:19 am by mikezang »

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Re: SJ2013 - CZ-11 - Xichang - December 11, 2022 (~07:20 UTC)
« Reply #18 on: 12/01/2022 05:41 am »
https://twitter.com/cnspaceflight/status/1598192427210510339

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An airspace closure to the south of Taiwan Strait, 20:00UTC to 02:00UTC daily from December 10 to 28 aligns with the one near Fiji for a potential Long March 11 launch from Xichang. However, two NOTAMs have an 8-hour gap. 🤔❓

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Re: SJ2013 - CZ-11 - Xichang - December 11, 2022 (~07:20 UTC)
« Reply #19 on: 12/02/2022 08:31 am »
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A1194/22 NOTAMN
Q) VHHK/QARCR/IV/NBO/E /000/999/2003N11500E214
A) VHHK B) 2212101910 C) 2212180200
D) 1910-0200 DAILY
E) DUE TO AN AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACTIVITY (REFER TO SVC0160/22 DTG
230237
ORIGINATED BY ZBBBYNYX), ALTN RTE FOR A1/M750/G581 WITHIN HONG KONG
FIR ARE ESTABLISHED FOR DEP/ARR FLIGHTS FM/TO VHHH AND VMMC.
1. DEP FLIGHTS (AS STIPULATED IN AIP HONG KONG) :
 (1) VHHH DEP:
     OCEAN V4 SKATE DCT KAPLI G86
 (2) VMMC DEP:
     GRUPA DCT KAPLI G86
2. ARR FLIGHTS:
 (1) VHHH ARR:
     KAPLI DCT SONNY V532 BETTY
 (2) VMMC ARR:
     KAPLI DCT ISBAN J103 ROBIN DCT CHALI
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A1195/22 NOTAMN
Q) VHHK/QARCR/IV/NBO/E /000/999/2003N11500E214
A) VHHK B) 2212101910 C) 2212180200
D) 1910-0200 DAILY
E) DUE TO AN AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACTIVITY (REFER TO SVC0160/22 DTG
230237
ORIGINATED BY ZBBBYNYX), ALTN RTE FOR A1/M750/G581 ARE ESTABLISHED
FOR TRANSIT FLIGHTS WITHIN HONG KONG FIR.
1. EAST BOUND:
 (1) ZGGG DEP:
     SIERA DCT MULET DCT SKATE DCT KAPLI G86
 (2) ZGSZ DEP:
     SIERA DCT ROCCA DCT SKATE DCT KAPLI G86
 (3) OTHER TRANSIT FLIGHTS:
     TAMOT B330 CH DCT RASSE DCT KAPLI G86
     IKELA DCT MORTU DCT NOBAD DCT KAPLI G86
2. WEST BOUND:
 (1) ZGGG ARR:
     KAPLI DCT ISBAN J103 SAPAX DCT CH B330 TAMOT
 (2) OTHER TRANSIT FLIGHTS:
     KAPLI DCT LEGOD DCT BEKOL A461
These are the same time with A6765/22 and A6766/22, I am not sure which are coorect with A1303/22.

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