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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #600 on: 03/28/2017 06:52 pm »
* SES block bought SES-10, SES-11, SES-14, SES-16. Then last August they were approached with the opportunity to use a pre-flown booster.

He said order is 10, 11, 16, 14 (which is what we already have on the manifest).

Right, that wasn't supposed to be a chronological launch order. I was unsure which order he said them in as I was typing them up, so I went with numerically ascending to be safe.

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #601 on: 03/28/2017 09:33 pm »
CRS-11 date:

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Jeff Foust‏ @jeff_foust 26s27 seconds ago

NASA’s Paul Hertz says at Nat’l Academies meeting that NICER payload to ISS set to launch May 14 on SpX-11 Dragon mission.

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/846745556559036420

As this is very close to the manifest date for Intelsat-35e, should their order be switched?
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #602 on: 03/28/2017 10:08 pm »
CRS-11 date:

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Jeff Foust‏ @jeff_foust 26s27 seconds ago

NASA’s Paul Hertz says at Nat’l Academies meeting that NICER payload to ISS set to launch May 14 on SpX-11 Dragon mission.

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/846745556559036420

As this is very close to the manifest date for Intelsat-35e, should their order be switched?

The order probably should be switched, May 15 is very much a NET for Intelsat.  It's probably the launch after CRS-11.

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #603 on: 03/30/2017 11:48 pm »
Shouldn't the Moonshot be a Grey Dragon, in line with the Martian Red Dragons?

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #604 on: 03/31/2017 03:10 am »
The picture of the rocket showing it numbered 21, shouldn't the number in the list be corrected for crs-8 and SES 10 from 23 to 21? (then i wonder which booster was 23..)

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #605 on: 03/31/2017 03:17 am »
Flight 23. Booster (B10)21.

The number painted in the booster is the booster #, not the flight #.
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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #606 on: 03/31/2017 03:39 am »
Wasn't SES 10 Flight 33 (F9-033)?
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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #607 on: 03/31/2017 03:47 am »
Get that

2017-03-30  F9   23-1    B1021  OCIS  SES-10 [12]                   GTO  5300    LC39A
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properly colored and above the line!
« Last Edit: 03/31/2017 03:47 am by Comga »
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #608 on: 03/31/2017 08:02 am »
Wasn't SES 10 Flight 33 (F9-033)?

SES-10 was flight 33 (if you're counting AMOS-6 in your flight numbers, which I am.  Go away Ed.  Nothing to see here.)  It was also "F9-33".  F9-33 is the mission number we've seen on their paperwork with the FCC (and I assume they use it on other paperwork.)  "F9-033" is not correct.  The booster has a serial number separate from the mission and flight number.  In this case it was the second flight of booster 1021.

Those numbers happened to line up for SES-10 but they are not always the same.  Echostar 23 was mission "F9-31" and flight 32.  It used booster serial number 1030.

Some recent FCC applications we've seen aren't using the "F9-33" format anymore, it's a completely different four digit numbering scheme and I don't know what it means.

As for the numbers used in the manifest table, Starhawk92 needs to work out what numbering systems he's comfortable using to track this stuff as we go forward.  His "Reuse" column is derived from the flight numbers, but he doesn't have an explicit overall flight number or mission number column listed at the moment.  This was the first flight where we've had to worry about showing reuse numbers, and tweaking of the table format will probably continue in the future as more data gets filled in and Starhawk92 figures out what works best for him.

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #609 on: 03/31/2017 01:37 pm »
Success for SES-10, and history is made!!!  Congratulations to everyone SpaceX for taking another big step for mankind!!

Next "event" for the manifest will be the remove of the CRS-8 information on 4/8/17 per the "one year of history" plan.  All the 2016 launches have been listed elsewhere, so no need to keep them ongoing.

Also, to be clear, gongora was mostly right but REUSE now has nothing at all to do with flight numbers.  It's a number I pick myself (flight numbers/FCC numbers/etc are too variable).  Once the booster IDs settle in then REUSE may go away altogether.  As such, the NROL flight will be REUSE 33.

The big questions now is the CRS-9 booster.  I know one of you has it.  Please return to the Cape ASAP a this seems to be the next candidate to fly again!!

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #610 on: 03/31/2017 03:50 pm »
The big questions now is the CRS-9 booster.  I know one of you has it.  Please return to the Cape ASAP a this seems to be the next candidate to fly again!!
It could be one of the FH boosters.  IIRC we know the identity one of the boosters, but not the other.

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #611 on: 03/31/2017 04:27 pm »
Wasn't sure that all the dates were public yet, but with this manifest showing 11 launches by the 8/24 date, that's slightly less than a two week interval between launches.  If they come close to this it will be astounding.

Note that the manifest includes a 2017-06 launch of "PSN VI  + US Govt " from LC-40.  We have been told that pad won't be ready by then, so if it is in the lineup, it would be LC-39A.  Unless I missed something.

Also, despite Musk saying yesterday that the Heavy would launch this summer, we have also been told that it will be at least 60 days after LC-40 reopens.  SpaceX needs this time to modify the reaction frame at LC-39A for the three cores. So it can't be before October, unless something has changed.
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What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #612 on: 04/01/2017 01:04 am »
Wasn't sure that all the dates were public yet, but with this manifest showing 11 launches by the 8/24 date, that's slightly less than a two week interval between launches.  If they come close to this it will be astounding.

Note that the manifest includes a 2017-06 launch of "PSN VI  + US Govt " from LC-40.  We have been told that pad won't be ready by then, so if it is in the lineup, it would be LC-39A.  Unless I missed something.

Also, despite Musk saying yesterday that the Heavy would launch this summer, we have also been told that it will be at least 60 days after LC-40 reopens.  SpaceX needs this time to modify the reaction frame at LC-39A for the three cores. So it can't be before October, unless something has changed.

We don't have recent dates for Bulgariasat or PSN 6, I would guess September for one or both of those.

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #613 on: 04/01/2017 11:55 am »
We don't have recent dates for Bulgariasat or PSN 6, I would guess September for one or both of those.

Spaceflight Now recently updated BulgariaSat as late May. They of course don't share their sources...

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #614 on: 04/01/2017 10:54 pm »
Manifest changes:
Move Bulgariasat to May, Intelsat to June (from Spaceflight Now schedule)
Move SES-11 to June (from SES-10 press conference)
PSN 6 - no recent updates, move to around September?
FORMOSAT 5 no longer has SHERPA as co-passenger
Move SES-16 to Oct (from SES-10 press conference)
Move CRS-13 to November
Move SES-14 to end of year (Dec) (from SES-10 press conference)
PAZ has co-passenger (identity not announced yet)
Hispasat 1F - remove the "Amazonas 5" alternative
Move SAOCOM 1-B to 2019
Remove ABS-8
Add multiple flights for Spaceflight Industries (SSO-B, SSO-C, SSO-D, GTO-1, GTO-2, GTO-C)
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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #615 on: 04/03/2017 07:06 am »
Global-IP Announces the Selection of SpaceX to Launch its 150 Gbps GiSAT-1, scheduled for Q4 2018.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170402005120/en/

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SpaceX’s Falcon 9 rocket will launch GiSAT-1. The deployment is scheduled for Q4 2018 and will launch GiSAT-1 into its trajectory for geostationary orbit off the west coast of Africa. GiSAT-1 will have a mission life of 15 years.

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #616 on: 04/03/2017 02:13 pm »
Mission threads that can be linked to manifest:
Paz
GPS IIIA-3
GiSat-1
SWOT

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #617 on: 04/06/2017 03:02 am »
New FCC Permit application for pre-launch testing of mission 1334 (commercial mission).  Anyone have a clue about this new numbering scheme?  Looks like the order of mission numbers on the permits right now is:
F9-33 (SES-10)
1363 (NROL-76)
F9-34 (Inmarsat 5 F4)
(CRS-11)
F9-35 (Bulgariasat 1)
1372 (Intelsat 35e)
1334 (SES-11?)

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #618 on: 04/06/2017 12:33 pm »
Just a random shot in the dark - Could the new launch references be internal SpaceX accounting references for the whole operation from contract signed to payload release including LV construction?
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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #619 on: 04/07/2017 01:50 pm »
NROL-76 delay:
Yep, we've been waiting for the new date to become documented and now it is via L2 KSC/Cape scheduling.

NET April 30, same window.

Static Fire on April 26.

No reasons given, so likely the payload (which isn't talkative as we're talking about a NROL bird).

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