2. What would all of those "every-bodies", if Mr. Kraft's "everybody" actually exists, do for an SLS alternative?
SLS will not fly, that's a no-brainer. Too expensive, too much time to develop. It's all about JOBS!NASA is more of a job center than a space exploration agency. Why would they make it simple and cheap if they can make it expensive and complex enough to justify a lot of jobs?
Chris, this is the most pro-NASA-launch-vehicle site there is out there. Heck, for a long time, practically everything on this site was organized based on what launch vehicle it used. Is it really that far fetched that perhaps you would have disproportionate contact with folks at NASA who are supportive of SLS?
Yay, you're RIGHT on cue. Well done for proving my point about people with certain opinions (I say opinions, as there's nothing factual about what you wrote).PS Well done for insulting thousands of people in one wacky paragraph.
Quote from: Chris Bergin on 01/30/2012 05:30 pmYay, you're RIGHT on cue. Well done for proving my point about people with certain opinions (I say opinions, as there's nothing factual about what you wrote).PS Well done for insulting thousands of people in one wacky paragraph. Better to insult thousands of NASA workers in a paragraph than insult millions of taxpayers over the past 30 years.
Sorry, I didn't know you were a US taxpayer concerned about their 0.4 cents per day. The "Location: Portugal" didn't help.
Better to insult thousands of NASA workers in a paragraph than insult millions of taxpayers over the past 30 years.
Quote from: Robotbeat on 01/30/2012 05:11 pmChris, this is the most pro-NASA-launch-vehicle site there is out there. Heck, for a long time, practically everything on this site was organized based on what launch vehicle it used. Is it really that far fetched that perhaps you would have disproportionate contact with folks at NASA who are supportive of SLS?What does that have to do with my comment? My comment is Mr Kraft is utterly wrong.Your point is?
One comment...."I believe everybody at NASA, except those at the top level, thinks that's the case. The people at the division and branch level all believe there are better ways to get going."I know enough people to know that's utterly false. ...
Quote from: Chris Bergin on 01/30/2012 05:37 pmSorry, I didn't know you were a US taxpayer concerned about their 0.4 cents per day. The "Location: Portugal" didn't help.I pay my taxes to ESA too, which is another pork barrel.I'm sorry if it shocks you that I demand MORE from my taxes.“The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.”
..."Supportive but skeptical" might be more accurate. ...
Quote from: edkyle99 on 01/30/2012 05:57 pm..."Supportive but skeptical" might be more accurate. ...Yes, I think that's true (though "supportive" might be ambivalent in some cases). Chris Kraft said that the vast majority of the NASA lower folk are skeptical of SLS, not that they don't support an HLV or an SD-HLV in particular.There seems to be a lot of skepticism about all the different "Blocks" of SLS, like it's an endless (and very expensive) development cycle more than a means to an end.Skepticism need not be antagonism.