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« Last Edit: 12/19/2014 06:28 pm by input~2 »

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The spacecraft arrived at Baikonur on December 1.

Is that MIK-90 (i.e. the old Tsyklon HIF) in the photo? If not, where is that?
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Re: Kondor-E Strela launch - Baikonur - December 18, 2014
« Reply #2 on: 12/04/2014 02:53 am »
The spacecraft arrived at Baikonur on December 1.

Is that MIK-90 (i.e. the old Tsyklon HIF) in the photo? If not, where is that?
Site 92-1 and 94 are active processing areas for UR-100N derived launch vehicles. Site 90-5 is listed as inactive as Site 90 facilities for Tsyklon facilities are filed with UN and in START as dismantled.
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Re: Kondor-E Strela launch - Baikonur - December 18, 2014
« Reply #3 on: 12/05/2014 09:45 am »
Interesting story  :o

South Africa purchases Kondor-E spysat from Russia just before its launch
http://seradata.com/SSI/2014/12/south-africa-purchases-kondor-e-spysat-from-russia-just-before-its-launch/
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The deal is thought to be worth RAND1 billion (US$89.5 million).

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Re: Kondor-E Strela launch - Baikonur - December 18, 2014
« Reply #4 on: 12/14/2014 06:50 am »
The Kondor-E satellite has been transferred to the launchpad.
http://www.tsenki.com/news/news_tsenki/?ELEMENT_ID=117053

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Re: Kondor-E Strela launch - Baikonur - December 18, 2014
« Reply #5 on: 12/14/2014 09:52 am »
The Kondor-E satellite has been transferred to the launchpad

Not to a launch pad but from a fuelling station on area 31 to an assembly building on site 2A.

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Roscosmos now showing a launch time of 04:55:03 UTC on December 18. That's right in the smack middle of GSLV-III's launch window.....  ::)
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Re: Kondor-E Strela launch - Baikonur - December 18, 2014
« Reply #7 on: 12/16/2014 06:06 pm »
« Last Edit: 12/16/2014 08:15 pm by Satori »

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Any NOTAMs for this launch?  ::)
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Re: Kondor-E Strela launch - Baikonur - December 18, 2014
« Reply #9 on: 12/17/2014 11:04 am »
Probably those here:

K1719/14 - TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ACTIVATED WI 40 KM RADIUS 4603N 06259E. GND - UNL, DAILY 0430-0530, 18 DEC 04:30 2014 UNTIL 19 DEC 05:30 2014. CREATED: 15 DEC 11:01 2014

P8626/14 - FLT PROHIBITED WI AREA WITH COORD: 570300N 0700508E-571503N 0701810E-571910N 0701726E- 572010N 0701300E-572125N 0700000E-571430N 0694433E- 570050N 0692830E-565100N 0693910E-565155N 0694800E- 570300N 0700508E. SFC - UNL, 18 19 0430-0530, 18 DEC 04:30 2014 UNTIL 19 DEC 05:30 2014. CREATED: 13 DEC 04:19 2014 

P8625/14 - FLT PROHIBITED WI CIRCLE RADIUS 20KM CENTRED 583654N 0711202E. SFC - UNL, 18 19 0430-0530, 18 DEC 04:30 2014 UNTIL 19 DEC 05:30 2014. CREATED: 13 DEC 04:19 2014 

P8599/14 - ATS RTE SEGMENTS CLSD: R99 RUBOR - TOBOLSK NDB (NH) P865 LERPI - INKOR. SFC - UNL, DAILY 0430-0530, 18 DEC 04:30 2014 UNTIL 19 DEC 05:30 2014. CREATED: 11 DEC 08:07 2014

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And now for the obligatory "Any chance of a webcast for this one"? :)
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And now for the obligatory "Any chance of a webcast for this one"? :)

My guess is less than zero.  ;)

Hopefully this is not the case for Angara-5 though - big new rocket coming up!
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Is this one set to launch from silo 59 at site 175?
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Is this one set to launch from silo 59 at site 175?

I think yes.
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Ok, so looking for launch confirmation!
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Ok, so looking for launch confirmation!

Apparently launch scrubbed for today - next attempt tomorrow: http://itar-tass.com/kosmos/1655258  ;)
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Ok, so looking for launch confirmation!

Apparently launch scrubbed for today - next attempt tomorrow: http://itar-tass.com/kosmos/1655258  ;)

Bloody heck. At least I was up at this ungodly hour for the Indian launch :)

Three hours sleep should be interesting :o
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Ok, so looking for launch confirmation!

Apparently launch scrubbed for today - next attempt tomorrow: http://itar-tass.com/kosmos/1655258  ;)

This happened after the satellite failed to switch to internal power before launch: http://www.interfax.ru/russia/413832
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Re: Kondor-E Strela launch - Baikonur - December 18, 2014
« Reply #18 on: 12/18/2014 12:08 pm »
The launch time on December 19 is 04:43 UTC.

http://itar-tass.com/kosmos/1657112

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Re: Kondor-E Strela launch - Baikonur - December 18, 2014
« Reply #19 on: 12/18/2014 12:51 pm »
Hummm, TsENKI is announcing the livre transmission of the Kondor-E launch: http://www.tsenki.com/broadcast/ ...or maybe not.
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Re: Kondor-E Strela launch - Baikonur - December 18, 2014
« Reply #20 on: 12/18/2014 03:40 pm »
The NOTAMs suggest the launch targets an orbit with an inclination of about 76 degrees out of Baykonur. If this launch targets a specific ascending node at launch, the change in launch time by 12 minutes suggests an orbital precession of 2 degrees per day. To match that precession rate with a circular orbit with 76 deg inclination, the orbit altitude would be around 320 km.

A broadcast warning has also been published in the Pacific that matches this orbital plane and time window, suggesting a possible deorbit of the upper stage:
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HYDROPAC 3741/14 [1 of 1][[WWNWSFOLDER]]

EASTERN SOUTH PACIFIC.
SPACE DEBRIS.
DNC 06.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS 0430Z TO 0600Z DAILY
18 THRU 21 DEC WITHIN 162 MILES OF
24-43S 136-53W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 210700Z DEC 14.//

Authority: NAVAREA XIV 97/14 132050Z DEC 14.

Date:
Cancel: 21070000 Dec 14
http://msi.nga.mil/NGAPortal/MSI.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=msi_portal_page_63

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L-12 Minutes. Here's an TASS news article.

http://itar-tass.com/en/non-political/767884
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L-12 Minutes. Here's an TASS news article.

http://itar-tass.com/en/non-political/767884

Are you watching a live feed of the launch currently, or text updates only?

This end should point toward the ground if you want to go to space. If it starts pointing toward space you are having a bad problem and you will not go to space today.

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L-5 minutes.

I'm not watching anything! There's nothing at

http://www.tsenki.com/en/broadcast/
« Last Edit: 12/19/2014 03:39 am by Steven Pietrobon »
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Should be launching now.
« Last Edit: 12/19/2014 03:46 am by Steven Pietrobon »
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Launched according to ITAR-TASS.

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RIA Novosti is also confirming the launch http://ria.ru/science/20141219/1039101530.html

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Launch photo from http://itar-tass.com/kosmos/1658816

"It is planned that in the 07:48 MSK from the rocket will separate distillation step, and in the 08:08 MSK-the satellite."

"The mass of the spacecraft up to 1150 kg. Data transfer rate-up to 350 Mbps. lifetime-5 years. The working parameters of the orbit of about 500 km."
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Launch photo from http://itar-tass.com/kosmos/1658816

"It is planned that in the 07:48 MSK from the rocket will separate distillation step, and in the 08:08 MSK-the satellite."

Separation should be in one minute.

This is a stock photo - clearly a Soyuz launch at night when it's daytime in Baikonur.  ;)
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Launch photo from http://itar-tass.com/kosmos/1658816


I think this is an archive photo of a Soyuz launch.

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Thanks for the photo correction. I presume ria.ru is also showing a stock photo. From the ria.ru

"The start took place in design time-07.43 GMT. Separation of the spacecraft from the carrier expected 8.08 MSK "Roskosmos representative said."

So separation should be in five minutes (if I haven't stuffed up my calculations again :-).
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Separation should be occurring now.
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Here's the TASS launch announcement in English.

http://itar-tass.com/en/non-political/768008
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As far as I can see the Russian language stories don't mention this launch as being for a foreign customer (unlike the English one), although they do make the more general statement that the Kondor series is designed for both Min of Def. and foreign customers.
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Looks like the spacecraft separation time was much later than claimed, but here's the confirmation: http://ria.ru/space/20141219/1039114993.html
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I just noticed that

http://www.tsenki.com/en/broadcast/

is calling this Kondor-E No.2, whereas Gunter's space page has been calling this Kondor-E 1.

http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/kondor-e-1.htm

Perhaps No.1 was the first Kondor launched in 2013.

http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/kondor-1.htm
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Orbit has been published. 499km x 502km @ 74.75deg.

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Launch pictures from Roscosmos http://www.roscosmos.ru/21206/

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Can anyone confirm whether the Kondor-E launched today was the SAR variant or the optical variant?


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Can anyone confirm whether the Kondor-E launched today was the SAR variant or the optical variant?
Apparently the SAR variant according to TASS article already quoted
http://itar-tass.com/kosmos/1658816
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радиолокационным спутником "Кондор-Э"

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As far as I can see the Russian language stories don't mention this launch as being for a foreign customer (unlike the English one), although they do make the more general statement that the Kondor series is designed for both Min of Def. and foreign customers.

True. Sources in russian language doesn't mention foreign customer. Propaganda... 

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Orbit has been published. 499km x 502km @ 74.75deg.
We also have catalog entry for Strela 3rd stage :
2014-084B/40354 in 437 x 500 km @ 74.74°

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Can anyone confirm whether the Kondor-E launched today was the SAR variant or the optical variant?
Apparently the SAR variant according to TASS article already quoted
http://itar-tass.com/kosmos/1658816
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радиолокационным спутником "Кондор-Э"

Thanks, appreciate that. Looking at another forum post (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=26990.msg1108073#msg1108073) it looks like the SAR and EO variants will be launched in alternate years.

As far as I can see the Russian language stories don't mention this launch as being for a foreign customer (unlike the English one), although they do make the more general statement that the Kondor series is designed for both Min of Def. and foreign customers.

True. Sources in russian language doesn't mention foreign customer. Propaganda... 
I thought the 'Kondor-E' was specifically for export, 'Кондор-Э' meaning 'Kondor-Экспорт' or 'Kondor-Export'?
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Looking at another forum post (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=26990.msg1108073#msg1108073) it looks like the SAR and EO variants will be launched in alternate years.

I thought the 'Kondor-E' was specifically for export, 'Кондор-Э' meaning 'Kondor-Экспорт' or 'Kondor-Export'?

Per the post you quoted:
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It is stated previously that there will be to Kondor Series SC's launched this year as well as two per year minimum one for Russia one for CIS Export Launch years will alternate between Radar, Optical, and electro optical based instruments with only the SC's SM identical which is used for all payloads. This years two payloads are confirmed via Mr. Zaks source to be identical versions except that the second one is designed for export requirements..
So it looks like this last one was the second of the first SAR pair
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Yes, assuming the first Kondor launch was of the SAR variant. That seems likely, but I'm not sure if Roscosmos or NPO Mash have ever confirmed it.

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Yes, assuming the first Kondor launch was of the SAR variant. That seems likely, but I'm not sure if Roscosmos or NPO Mash have ever confirmed it.
It was confirmed at a conference in Ulan-Ude about SAR remote sensing in late June 2013:
http://www.ntsomz.ru/news/news_center/international_conference_remote_sensing_of_earth_covers_using_sar_ulan-ude_2013_final
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The participants of the Conference greeted with enthusiasm the announcement of the June 27 launch of the small spacecraft "Kondor-E" with S-band radar


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Is Strela 15A30, or 15A35, or 14A036 ?
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Is Strela 15A30, or 15A35, or 14A036 ?
15A35 used for UR-100N UTTKh Family only. Strela uses UR-100N UTTKh launchers

http://russianspaceweb.com/strela.html
UR-100N UTTKh family tech dossier:

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UR-100N UTTKh
Number of stages
2
Industry name
15A35
Length of the vehicle
24.3 meters
Diameter
2.5 meters
Weight (fueled)
103.4 tons
Fuel
UDMH
Oxidizer   
N2O4
First launch   
1977.09.28
Operational   
1979
Test sites   
Tyuratam
Flight range:

10,000 km
Warhead type:
6 MIRVs
Stage 1   
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Stage 1 length   
17.2 meters
Stage 1 diameter   
2.5 meters
1st stage propulsion   
3 one-chamber RD-0233
1 one-chamber RD-0234
Stage 2   
-
Stage 2 length   
2.8 meters
Stage 2 diameter   
2.5 meters
2nd stage propulsion   
1 one-chamber RD-0235 main engine
1 four-chamber RD-0236 steering engine

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Is Strela 15A30, or 15A35, or 14A036 ?
15A35 used for UR-100N UTTKh Family only. Strela uses UR-100N UTTKh launchers. UR-100N family is 15A30

http://russianspaceweb.com/strela.html
http://russianspaceweb.com/ur100n.html
UR-100 family overview:

Name
Idustrial
Treaty
US
NATO
Type

UR-100   
8K84
RS-10
SS-11
Sego
Silo-based ICBM for 15P084 complex

UR-100M
8K84M
RS-10
SS-11
Sego
Project of sea-based ICBM for D-8 complex

UR-100UTTKh   
8K84UTTKh
RS-10
SS-11 Mod 2
Sego
Silo-based ICBM for 15P084 complex

UR-100PRO   
8K84
RS-10
SS-11
Sego
1962-63 ABM Taran system

UR-100 mod.   
15A10
RS-10
SS-11
Sego
Project of silo-based ICBM

UR-100K   
15A20 (8K84K)
RS-10 (RS-10M)
SS-11 Mod 3
Sego
Silo-based ICBM for 15P020 complex

UR-100U   
15A20U
RS-10 (RS-10M)
SS-11 Mod 4
Sego
Silo-based ICBM for 15P020 complex

UR-100N   
15A30
RS-18A
SS-19
Stiletto
Silo-based ICBM for 15P030 complex

UR-100NUTTKh (UR-100NU)   
15A35
RS-18B
SS-19 Mod 2
Stiletto
Silo-based ICBM

UR-100NU Strela   
15A35
RS-18B
SS-19 Mod 2
Stiletto
Launch vehicle

UR-100NU Rockot   
15A35
RS-18B
SS-19 Mod 2
Stiletto
Launch vehicle

UR-100NU/SLA Prizyv   
15A35
RS-18B
SS-19 Mod 2
Stiletto
Project of an emergency and rescue rocket

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Is Strela 15А30, or 15А35, or 14А036 ?

The tender for the launch only refers to the rocket as RS-18, and also appears to make reference to article 15С300 (a code used to cover the first two rocket stages).

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3.5.2.  Установка  и стыковка НТПК  и АПБ 14С425 с блоком С300 в ШПУ.
НТПК – надставка транспортно-пускового контейнера.
АПБ – агрегатно-приборный блок.
ШПУ – шахтная пусковая установка.

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=26990.msg1107972#msg1107972

See also:-
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=32861.msg1097359#msg1097359
« Last Edit: 12/20/2014 09:54 pm by Stan Black »

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It was confirmed at a conference in Ulan-Ude about SAR remote sensing in late June 2013:
http://www.ntsomz.ru/news/news_center/international_conference_remote_sensing_of_earth_covers_using_sar_ulan-ude_2013_final
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The participants of the Conference greeted with enthusiasm the announcement of the June 27 launch of the small spacecraft "Kondor-E" with S-band radar
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KONDOR-E               
1 40353U 14084A   14358.01761341 -.00000042  00000-0  00000+0 0   184
2 40353  74.7488 195.8638 0002611 202.0980 316.3354 15.21977420   728

The latest NORAD data on the orbit, per Celestrak.com.

Moved from the other "Condor" thread for the 2013 launch.


NORAD ID: 40353
Int'l Code: 2014-084A
Perigee: 505.2 km
Apogee: 508.8 km
Inclination: 74.7 °
Period: 94.6 minutes
Semi major axis: 6878 km
« Last Edit: 12/24/2014 04:56 pm by Danderman »

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South Africa: Was Defence Intelligence's Secret R1.4 Billion Russian Kondor-E 'Spy Satellite' Launched This Morning in Kazakhstan?


We now have the answer: Yes.

In footnote 2 on page 5 of the attached document,
Russia officially acknowledges that it belongs to S Africa.
I think this is the first official admission, right?

 http://www.unoosa.org/res/osoindex/data/documents/ru/st/stsgser_e746_html/V1507589.pdf
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I noticed that future Condor satellites are supposed to be launched on Soyuz, why the change?

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I noticed that future Condor satellites are supposed to be launched on Soyuz, why the change?

well Partly having to deal with the constant delays caused by Kazakhstan because Strela uses toxic fuel and also the cost of maintaining a series of silos that are very rarely used.

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I noticed that future Condor satellites are supposed to be launched on Soyuz, why the change?

well Partly having to deal with the constant delays caused by Kazakhstan because Strela uses toxic fuel and also the cost of maintaining a series of silos that are very rarely used.

which implies that Strela is pretty much dead as a satellite launch vehicle.

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I noticed that future Condor satellites are supposed to be launched on Soyuz, why the change?

well Partly having to deal with the constant delays caused by Kazakhstan because Strela uses toxic fuel and also the cost of maintaining a series of silos that are very rarely used.

which implies that Strela is pretty much dead as a satellite launch vehicle.

also because it is soon to be phased out as part of cost cutting.

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Obj. 40353 KONDOR E decay prediction: October 22, 2022 UTC 00h09mn ± 35h

https://twitter.com/jremis/status/1581627601847611392

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Update: obj. 40353 KONDOR E decay prediction: October 22, 2022 UTC 19h52mn ± 21h

https://twitter.com/jremis/status/1582655759875469316

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Update: obj. 40353 KONDOR E decay prediction: October 22, 2022 UTC 11h08mn ± 9h

https://twitter.com/jremis/status/1583341877746860033

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Update: obj. 40353 KONDOR E decay prediction: October 22, 2022 UTC 17h01mn ± 5h

https://twitter.com/jremis/status/1583713253129039872

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Update: obj. 40353 KONDOR E decay prediction: October 22, 2022 UTC 18h20mn ± 2h

https://twitter.com/jremis/status/1583782473938644992

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