I may be missing something, so sorry in advance!; but why should NASA pay extra to fly the Boeing test astronaut? [As much as I am thrilled CF is on the flight!- I called for the 2 providers to add their own crew-mwmbers from the start]. Or are they going to say the second NASA astro is the "Extra"?
I may be missing something, so sorry in advance!; but why should NASA pay extra to fly the Boeing test astronaut? [As much as I am thrilled CF is on the flight!- I called for the 2 providers to add their own crew-mwmbers from the start]. Or are they going to say the second NASA astro is the "Extra"? Calling these programs commercial is,IMHO, just inaccurate: maybe a new term needs to be invented!
Quote from: eric z on 08/08/2018 01:34 pm I may be missing something, so sorry in advance!; but why should NASA pay extra to fly the Boeing test astronaut? [As much as I am thrilled CF is on the flight!- I called for the 2 providers to add their own crew-mwmbers from the start]. Or are they going to say the second NASA astro is the "Extra"?I believe he was referring to the proposal that turns CFT into a crew rotation flight, 6 months stay at IIS. In which case I assume the Boeing test astronaut will be replaced by a NASA astronaut.
Quote from: eric z on 08/08/2018 01:34 pm I may be missing something, so sorry in advance!; but why should NASA pay extra to fly the Boeing test astronaut? [As much as I am thrilled CF is on the flight!- I called for the 2 providers to add their own crew-mwmbers from the start]. Or are they going to say the second NASA astro is the "Extra"?I believe he was referring to the proposal that turns CFT into a crew rotation flight, 6 months stay at ISS. In which case I assume the Boeing test astronaut will be replaced by a NASA astronaut.
Quote from: RIB on 08/03/2018 04:50 pmWell, so much for diversity...…….Yeah, every one of them is a military pilot.
Well, so much for diversity...…….
Quote from: su27k on 08/08/2018 01:40 pmQuote from: eric z on 08/08/2018 01:34 pm I may be missing something, so sorry in advance!; but why should NASA pay extra to fly the Boeing test astronaut? [As much as I am thrilled CF is on the flight!- I called for the 2 providers to add their own crew-mwmbers from the start]. Or are they going to say the second NASA astro is the "Extra"?I believe he was referring to the proposal that turns CFT into a crew rotation flight, 6 months stay at ISS. In which case I assume the Boeing test astronaut will be replaced by a NASA astronaut. I think that you are right, Chris Ferguson is no longer a NASA astronaut. If he stayed 6 months on the ISS, he would have to pay for his stay. Plus, if there is already 4 astronauts on the CST-100, there would be no need for a fifth one. But right now the plan is for a short stay at the ISS and only 2 NASA astronauts (plus Chris Ferguson). Incidentally, SpaceX also had the option of having test pilots on its demo flight but declined to do so. Under the CCtCap request for proposals, the demo flight wasn't required to go to the ISS or even have NASA astronauts. But a number of people in Congress felt that if the demo flight was going to go the ISS, it had to have some NASA astronauts on board.
Quote from: yg1968 on 08/08/2018 02:05 pmQuote from: su27k on 08/08/2018 01:40 pmQuote from: eric z on 08/08/2018 01:34 pm I may be missing something, so sorry in advance!; but why should NASA pay extra to fly the Boeing test astronaut? [As much as I am thrilled CF is on the flight!- I called for the 2 providers to add their own crew-mwmbers from the start]. Or are they going to say the second NASA astro is the "Extra"?I believe he was referring to the proposal that turns CFT into a crew rotation flight, 6 months stay at ISS. In which case I assume the Boeing test astronaut will be replaced by a NASA astronaut. I think that you are right, Chris Ferguson is no longer a NASA astronaut. If he stayed 6 months on the ISS, he would have to pay for his stay. Plus, if there is already 4 astronauts on the CST-100, there would be no need for a fifth one. But right now the plan is for a short stay at the ISS and only 2 NASA astronauts (plus Chris Ferguson). Incidentally, SpaceX also had the option of having test pilots on its demo flight but declined to do so. Under the CCtCap request for proposals, the demo flight wasn't required to go to the ISS or even have NASA astronauts. But a number of people in Congress felt that if the demo flight was going to go the ISS, it had to have some NASA astronauts on board.Not correct. In fact, since a Boeing astronaut is part of the package it is more like Boeing selling his time. It is NASA saying they want a longer flight so they have to provide the supplies etc.
OK, I stand corrected then but that would mean 5 astronauts on the CFT flight (assuming that the CFT is required for normal crew rotation). Although it is possible, 5 seems like a crowd (on the spacecraft and ISS).
Sorry if I missed this, but has there been any information on a deal for commercial to carry Russians and friends if there's a Soyuz standown for any reason?
Quote from: Nomadd on 08/22/2018 11:40 pm Sorry if I missed this, but has there been any information on a deal for commercial to carry Russians and friends if there's a Soyuz standown for any reason?Last I heard, the Russians are entitled to seats on Commercial Crew regardless of Soyuz future activity, same as the other partners.
Quote from: QuantumG on 08/23/2018 12:44 amQuote from: Nomadd on 08/22/2018 11:40 pm Sorry if I missed this, but has there been any information on a deal for commercial to carry Russians and friends if there's a Soyuz standown for any reason?Last I heard, the Russians are entitled to seats on Commercial Crew regardless of Soyuz future activity, same as the other partners.$85 million a seat sound fair?
NASA is prohibited from receiving payment for seats. Russia will have to provide "in kind contributions" for their seats
Quote from: Tomness on 08/23/2018 12:56 amQuote from: QuantumG on 08/23/2018 12:44 amQuote from: Nomadd on 08/22/2018 11:40 pm Sorry if I missed this, but has there been any information on a deal for commercial to carry Russians and friends if there's a Soyuz standown for any reason?Last I heard, the Russians are entitled to seats on Commercial Crew regardless of Soyuz future activity, same as the other partners.$85 million a seat sound fair?NASA is prohibited from receiving payment for seats. Russia will have to provide "in kind contributions" for their seats
This thread is starting to wander a bit. The plans I've always heard are for a Russian to fly on CC vehicles and an American to continue flying on Soyuz, which would not require compensation in either direction. Alternate possible seating arrangements and prices for non-NASA flights probably belong over in the Dragon 2 thread.