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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #40 on: 07/05/2018 04:03 am »
Why do we think this is something before IR8?  Last I saw, IR8 was NET Sept 2018 with no definitive date attached.
Iridium-8 has been NET Late September/Early October according to Matt in the Iridium-7 video. I am guessing that it will slip into mid-October. Not surprised that SAOCOM is going first. Let's see what type of recovery permit they file for.  8)
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #42 on: 07/21/2018 03:08 pm »
Another RTLS at Vandenberg, Mission 1396 NET 2018-09-25.  SSO-A?  I would expect RCM to have a much lower mission number.

1303-EX-ST-2018
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #43 on: 07/21/2018 06:00 pm »
Another RTLS at Vandenberg, Mission 1396 NET 2018-09-25.  SSO-A?  I would expect RCM to have a much lower mission number.

1303-EX-ST-2018
1305-EX-ST-2018

I think SSO-A was recently said to be slated for October/November.

Iridium-8 seems to fit the date best, but it's unclear if that will RTLS (it should be possible and I speculate that even Iridium-7 could have done RTLS but SpaceX wants to first try it on a mission with higher fuel margins).

Alternatively, I've seen NET H2 2018 for SARah 1, so that's another option.

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #44 on: 07/21/2018 07:51 pm »
I think SSO-A fits best based on the information we have right now, but I guess we'll find out in a couple months.
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #45 on: 08/02/2018 03:30 pm »
Does this thread need a "how to"?

Maybe something like:

To see if new permits have been applied for/granted/denied/amended
 
Go to https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/GenericSearch.cfm

In applicant name box enter "Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX)" and click 'start search' button.

This produces a list of permits granted/denied/updated etc.

The last page currently shows

Current   N/A   N/A   View correspondence associated with this filing   View grant associated with this filing   1180-EX-ST-2018   WJ9XFQ   Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX)   06/29/2018   Granted   06/29/2018
Initial
Current   N/A   N/A   View correspondence associated with this filing   View grant associated with this filing   1201-EX-ST-2018   WG9XHP   Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX)   07/04/2018   Granted   07/24/2018
Initial
Current   N/A   N/A   View correspondence associated with this filing   View grant associated with this filing   1202-EX-ST-2018   WJ9XFQ   Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX)   07/04/2018   Granted   07/17/2018
Initial
Current   N/A   N/A   N/A   N/A   1303-EX-ST-2018   WG9XHP   Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX)   07/20/2018   Pending   07/20/2018
Initial
Current   N/A   N/A   View correspondence associated with this filing   View grant associated with this filing   1305-EX-ST-2018   WJ9XFQ   Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX)   07/20/2018   Granted   08/01/2018

(Ugg that needs tidying up)

So the last three are
1202-EX-ST-2018
1303-EX-ST-2018 and
1305-EX-ST-2018

and there are links to see those permits.

1305-EX-ST-2018 states "This STA uses information from previous application 1202-EX-ST-2018." so 1202-EX-ST-2018 has been updated and has become permit ref 1305-EX-ST-2018.


1303-EX-ST-2018 states "This application uses information from previous grant, 1201-EX-ST-2018. This STA is necessary to authorize launch vehicle communications for SpaceX Mission 1396"

Note there is no easy way to see what which mission, " SpaceX Mission 1396" relates to. So if you want to know whether a particular mission has been granted a permit or not, then you have to follow the posts on this thread to see if that mission has been identified or not.

So the current status is that there are X permits namely

1305-EX-ST-2018 {link} covers the experimental first-stage recovery operation, following a Falcon 9 launch from Vandenberg Air Force Base

1303-EX-ST-2018 {link} authorize launch vehicle communications for SpaceX Mission 1396

1201-EX-ST-2018 {link} authorize launch vehicle communications for SpaceX Mission 1335

1180-EX-ST-2018 covers the experimental first-stage recovery operation following a Falcon 9 launch from Cape Canaveral

1178-EX-ST-2018 authorize launch vehicle communications for SpaceX Mission 1419

1176-EX-ST-2018 testing of the Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy launch vehicle systems from the SpaceX Rocket Development and Test Facility in McGregor

1166-EX-ST-2018 authorize launch vehicle communications for SpaceX Mission 1398 Operation Start Date: 08/17/2018 Operation End Date:   02/17/2019
This would appear to be Telstar 18V (I am guessing from the date)

...

I sure experienced people will think all this is obvious, but maybe newbies like me might not know where to start.


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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #46 on: 08/02/2018 03:56 pm »
Does this thread need a "how to"?

probably

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Maybe something like:

To see if new permits have been applied for/granted/denied/amended
 
Go to https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/GenericSearch.cfm

In applicant name box enter "Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX)" and click 'start search' button.

This produces a list of permits granted/denied/updated etc.

I'm pretty sure we've had a conversation about that before but I don't remember when or what thread it was in.

For the applicant name I just put "space".  You're more likely to see all of the relevant entries that way.  I use the Receipt Date field to narrow it down to just recent entries.

You may have noticed that some of the entries have notes or attachments when you find them this way.  That's why people posting about them should always include the File Number so others can easily look them up.  I haven't noticed any way to just give a link to the full information for the filing, you have to go through the Generic Search page.

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1303-EX-ST-2018 states "This application uses information from previous grant, 1201-EX-ST-2018. This STA is necessary to authorize launch vehicle communications for SpaceX Mission 1396"

The "This application uses information from previous grant..." part may or may not be useful.  A lot of times it's completely irrelevant and the old filing it refers to has nothing to do with the current filing.  And then sometimes it does.  \_(ツ)_/

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Note there is no easy way to see what which mission, " SpaceX Mission 1396" relates to. So if you want to know whether a particular mission has been granted a permit or not, then you have to follow the posts on this thread to see if that mission has been identified or not.

Yep.  I think a few of us maintain spreadsheets/lists/databases to help keep track of them.

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I sure experienced people will think all this is obvious, but maybe newbies like me might not know where to start.

No, it's not obvious.  The vast majority of people here aren't really interested in looking this stuff up.  The ones who are interested will eventually try to figure it out and ask for tips, which you are doing.  If you haven't looked at the fourth post in the SpaceX Manifest thread you may want to browse through some of those links (and let me know if you run across other useful ones).

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #47 on: 08/07/2018 03:46 pm »
1392-EX-ST-2018

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This STA is intended to cover pre-launch testing for a commercial payload on mission 1392. Tests involve fairing re-rad operations at pad 39a at Kennedy Space Center. This STA is not for flight.

Operation Start Date:   10/23/2018

Es'hail 2?  I don't know if that is scheduled for October but I don't even have another guess unless it's another undisclosed "commercial" NSS flight.  Or the application has a typo, which does happen sometimes.
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #48 on: 08/08/2018 11:17 pm »
1392-EX-ST-2018

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This STA is intended to cover pre-launch testing for a commercial payload on mission 1392. Tests involve fairing re-rad operations at pad 39a at Kennedy Space Center. This STA is not for flight.

Operation Start Date:   10/23/2018

Es'hail 2?  I don't know if that is scheduled for October but I don't even have another guess unless it's another undisclosed "commercial" NSS flight.  Or the application has a typo, which does happen sometimes.

Is there anything commercial on STP-2? Lightsail 2 (a non-profit but maybe commercial slipped in to indicate non govermental)?
DM1 or abort test seem unlikely.
Arabsat seems unlikely to be that soon.
I thought Es'hail was SLC-40 but maybe that has changed but if STP-2 and DM1 are both November from KSC 39A it seems unlikely they will fit something else in before these.

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #49 on: 08/09/2018 01:37 am »
A Dragon mission wouldn't have fairing re-rad testing.  STP-2 is not a commercial mission.  Only things on the Florida manifest are comsats and Arabsat said their launch window didn't start until December.  There just aren't a lot of options if everything in the permit is actually correct.  (There is really no difference between launching from LC-39A or SLC-40, payloads can move between them.  We've seen them switch pads and launch with a different pad number on the FCC paperwork before.)

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #50 on: 08/10/2018 12:15 am »
Time for another Starlink prototype launch?
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #51 on: 08/10/2018 03:39 am »
I am not "interested in looking this stuff up" but I am intensely grateful that others are.
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #52 on: 08/11/2018 05:54 pm »
1392-EX-ST-2018

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This STA is intended to cover pre-launch testing for a commercial payload on mission 1392. Tests involve fairing re-rad operations at pad 39a at Kennedy Space Center. This STA is not for flight.

Operation Start Date:   10/23/2018

Es'hail 2?  I don't know if that is scheduled for October but I don't even have another guess unless it's another undisclosed "commercial" NSS flight.  Or the application has a typo, which does happen sometimes.

And now a similar (not identical) submission for pre-launch testing at 39A with the same date (NET 10/23/2018) as the last one, with mission number 1385.  (If mission numbers are chronological that would be in the expected range for Es'hailSat 2.)

1442-EX-ST-2018

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Please explain in the area below why an STA is necessary:
This STA is intended to cover pre-launch testing for a commercial payload on mission 1385. Tests involve fairing re-rad operations at pad 39a at Kennedy Space Center. This STA is not for flight.

Purpose of Operation
Please explain the purpose of operation:    Pre-launch checkout of TTC links for commercial payload mission, including operation of the fairing re-rad system, prior to flight.

Operation Start Date:   10/23/2018

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #53 on: 08/12/2018 10:37 pm »
Am I smelling the friendly investors from an upcoming secretive space start-up? Aka Zuma 2 - electric boogaloo?

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #54 on: 08/28/2018 08:46 pm »
Two new filings for mission 1385, NET October 31 from 39A (if the paperwork is correct).  ASDS landing.

1517-EX-ST-2018 : This STA is necessary to authorize launch vehicle communications for SpaceX Mission 1385, a commercial launch from Complex 39a, Kennedy Space Center.
1518-EX-ST-2018 : North  28  21  9   West  73  52  57   Autonomous Drone Ship, within 10 nautical miles

Given the timing, if it is really launching from that pad (which I wouldn't exactly bet my life on), the most likely suspects are either DM-1 or a GTO mission to bring the pad back up after not having a launch for about six months?  If it's a GTO mission I don't see anything other than Es'hail 2 on the schedule, but I also haven't seen anything else saying Es'hail 2 is ready or being transported to the Cape yet (it hasn't shown up in Volga-Dnepr's transportation filings).

I'm assuming the pre-launch testing permit for mission 1392 was a mistake and it was replaced by the permit for mission 1385.

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #55 on: 08/28/2018 09:07 pm »
Two new filings for mission 1385, NET October 31 from 39A (if the paperwork is correct).  ASDS landing.

1517-EX-ST-2018 : This STA is necessary to authorize launch vehicle communications for SpaceX Mission 1385, a commercial launch from Complex 39a, Kennedy Space Center.
1518-EX-ST-2018 : North  28  21  9   West  73  52  57   Autonomous Drone Ship, within 10 nautical miles

Given the timing, if it is really launching from that pad (which I wouldn't exactly bet my life on), the most likely suspects are either DM-1 or a GTO mission to bring the pad back up after not having a launch for about six months?  If it's a GTO mission I don't see anything other than Es'hail 2 on the schedule, but I also haven't seen anything else saying Es'hail 2 is ready or being transported to the Cape yet (it hasn't shown up in Volga-Dnepr's transportation filings).

I'm assuming the pre-launch testing permit for mission 1392 was a mistake and it was replaced by the permit for mission 1385.
ASDS location is definitely a GTO mission and no way that DM-1 doesn't RTLS. Slight chance that these two permits could be unrelated though. The start date for the ASDS permit is three days earlier, but I am guessing they are the same.
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #56 on: 09/14/2018 07:09 pm »
1602-EX-ST-2018
CRS-16 Dragon tracking permit filed for a start date of 11/20/18.
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #57 on: 09/14/2018 07:41 pm »
Do we know if the Crew Dragon flights require the same permits/licences as the Cargo Dragon Missions or the paperwork is managed my the NASA CCP?

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #58 on: 09/14/2018 07:47 pm »
Do we know if the Crew Dragon flights require the same permits/licences as the Cargo Dragon Missions or the paperwork is managed my the NASA CCP?

A similar FCC permit was filled a few months ago, so I guess yes. There will probably be a launch and post landing FCC permit for DM-1 in the next few weeks. Same for CRS-16, this was only the communications permit with Dragon.

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #59 on: 09/29/2018 02:58 am »
Mission 1404 (CRS-16) Launch Vehicle Communication 1693-EX-ST-2018 and RTLS Recovery 1694-EX-ST-2018 from SLC-40

edit: I'm guessing that means Missions 1404-1408 will be CRS-16 through CRS-20
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