Damn you should see ABC's twitter post. https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1336811865616224258?s=20
SpaceX’s $216million Mars Starship rocket EXPLODES as it misses landing pad on first high-altitude test flight
The BBC article is actually quite good.But then we have The Sun...QuoteSpaceX’s $216million Mars Starship rocket EXPLODES as it misses landing pad on first high-altitude test flight
Quote from: GoatPrn on 12/09/2020 11:33 pmDamn you should see ABC's twitter post. https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1336811865616224258?s=20People who live on the island of Cyprus are called Cypriots.ABC is located on the island of Id.
Any outlet trying to portray this as a failure is just doing it to rile people up and draw attention to themselves. Don't give them any.Honestly, who cares? In less than a month, SN9 could have a successful landing. If it doesn't, there's SN10 a month after that, etc. etc. Any negativity will be completely irrelevant very, very soon.
I think The Washington Post (my local paper) did a much better job of describing the test.https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/12/09/sapcex-starship-explodes-on-landing/"Elon Musk’s Starship launches successfully but lands hard, explodes in what SpaceX calls an ‘awesome test’"Don't forget, this is the paper owned by Musk's competitor, Jeff Bezos.Fortunately, I've made money off of both of them due to owning both Amazon and Tesla stock.
Imagine NASA blowing up Space Shuttle after Space Shuttle just for the "data".
One thing I noticed is that sometimes the article itself is quite good, but the headline is extremely clickbaity. E.g. this German newspaper article is very positive and well-informed. It even includes the Elon tweet about the cause of the hard landing.https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article222172050/SpaceX-Starship-zerschellt-im-Feuerball-Elon-Musk-trotzdem-ausser-sich-vor-Freude.htmlBut the headline is really bad clickbait.My wife is a journalist, and this often happens to her too. She hands in a well-researched article with a good headline, and they change the headline or bits of the article to "spice it up".
https://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/article/2020/12/10/space-x-l-essai-du-prototype-starship-se-conclut-par-un-crash_6062870_1650684.htmlLe Monde is one of the main newspapers in France. This article is written with Reuters. The title translates to "Starship test ends with a crash".The content isn't very good, focussing on the ascent and the crash, does not present the main objectives (flap controlled sky-diving descent, transfert to the sub-tanks, belly-flip...).It does quotes Musk's tweet on the test and the reason for the failure, while failing to translate them to something that means anything in French..
In the Dutch media:https://nos.nl/artikel/2360013-prototype-starship-spacex-explodeert-bij-landing-na-geslaagde-test.htmlApart from an obvious machine-translation Falcon-up*, it's pretty neutral and factual.* They translated "header" as if talking about a news article.
The privately-developed Starship’s three Raptor engines performed well, Musk tweeted, but low pressure inside the nose cone tanks feeding the engines during their landing burn caused the rocket to crash-land in a fireball...
Fuel header tank pressure was low during landing burn, causing touchdown velocity to be high & RUD...
Do I have this wrong, or does the SFN article need to be corrected?
Quote from: Dave G on 12/10/2020 01:28 pmDo I have this wrong, or does the SFN article need to be corrected?Seems like SN has it wrong.
Problem is that they don't have "dedicated" Space Reporters any longer for the most part...For example: I just watched CNN International and she said "When an "everyday" rocket fails and it's called a success" without showing the entire flight ( just moment of liftoff and landing) or "concept" of what was being tested...There is nothing "everyday" about this rocket at all...
Quote from: abaddon on 12/10/2020 02:10 pmQuote from: Dave G on 12/10/2020 01:28 pmDo I have this wrong, or does the SFN article need to be corrected?Seems like SN has it wrong.Depends which header tank you’re talking about as there’s one in the nose and one in the mid section.
https://twitter.com/AdamSafiKhan/status/1337002126858448897
The “SpaceX rocket explodes” headline which I even saw in a manufacturing journal website seem to be a case of “if it bleeds it leads” syndrome.IMHO The flight wouldn’t have gotten the press it did if it landed intact.[/quoteI'll second that!!A lot of teachable moments about accuracy (truth) in the media here, but I know this is not the place for that On a much more positive note, I remember many years ago seeing an interview with Joel Hodgson (the creator of MST3K) in which he said "those who are meant to get it, get it". Unending gratitude to all those who provide the the platform (NSF), along with those who provide the subject matter (Spacex), so that those who "get it" can have a place to share the passion!
SpaceX on Wednesday, 9 December 2020 completed an altitude test for the Starship rocket SN8 prototype. While the test itself was a success, the rocket exploded once it was on the ground again.A SUCCESSFUL STARSHIP MISSIONNevertheless, SpaceX is touting the mission as a success. The rocket completed the ascent, freefall, and the bellyflop manoeuvre. Despite the explosion, SpaceX collected data to improve its next prototype, SN9.
SN15's landing made it onto the front page of most of the major news sites from what I can see...CountryOutletLocationHeadline=========================================UKBBCFront Page"SpaceX Starship prototype makes clean landing"USCNNFront Page"Success! SpaceX lands Mars rocket prototype for the first time"USReutersFront Page"SpaceX Starship rocket prototype achieves first safe landing"USNBCFront Page"SpaceX launches and lands Starship in first successful flight"USWSJFront Page"SpaceX Starship Lands on Fifth Attempt"UKMail OnlineMain Page"Nailed it! SpaceX's Starship SN15 blasts six miles into the sky before returning safely to the pad - a month after their last rocket exploded after landing"
BBC headline was the clean landing:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/science-environment-57007136But there was a long 'but' section showing previous failures.I don't think the radical nature of this test programme has got through to them yet
...Jonathon Amos does their space coverage and his articles are pretty even-handed. The actual headline article from him was also quite good, for educating laypersons.
Pretty good article from Financial Times covering the revolutionary potential of Starship: SpaceX: how Elon Musk’s new rocket could transform the space raceIf paywalled, try searching the title in google and click through google search result, or you could use https://archive.is/
While Teslarati probably doesn't qualify as mainstream news, they today reported that the first SS orbital launch has slipped to late March 2022.https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-starship-first-orbital-launch-date-nasa-update/?fbclid=IwAR3nXp-fk_JtRh-eCVtNWSmjQye9jg4iP-jCwOSUDW06YKThU_A5AtO0PgoIn the same article, a link to the SpaceX Lounge on Reddit leads to a discussion that the information, in all probability, is actually about the imaging system (as already discussed on NSF) being ready by that time, not SH/SS.https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/q64efq/most_likely_starship_to_orbit_date_late_march_2022/?ref_source=embed&ref=share
Good news for SpaceX.According to the independent https://www.independent.co.uk/space/spacex-launch-starship-sn20-elon-musk-b1944780.html, SpaceX will launch its next-generation Starship SN20 rocket next month.I am sure that SpaceX will be very happy to hear that
Quote from: volker2020 on 10/25/2021 03:01 pmGood news for SpaceX.According to the independent https://www.independent.co.uk/space/spacex-launch-starship-sn20-elon-musk-b1944780.html, SpaceX will launch its next-generation Starship SN20 rocket next month.I am sure that SpaceX will be very happy to hear that Well being as that’s what Elon put on Twitter…
Quote from: Star One on 10/25/2021 04:53 pmQuote from: volker2020 on 10/25/2021 03:01 pmGood news for SpaceX.According to the independent https://www.independent.co.uk/space/spacex-launch-starship-sn20-elon-musk-b1944780.html, SpaceX will launch its next-generation Starship SN20 rocket next month.I am sure that SpaceX will be very happy to hear that Well being as that’s what Elon put on Twitter…There's a difference (apparently lost on the british paper) between "Will launch if all goes well, and regulators permitting" and "Will launch."
There's a difference (apparently lost on the british paper) between "Will launch if all goes well, and regulators permitting" and "Will launch."
Quote from: rakaydos on 10/25/2021 05:08 pmQuote from: Star One on 10/25/2021 04:53 pmQuote from: volker2020 on 10/25/2021 03:01 pmGood news for SpaceX.According to the independent https://www.independent.co.uk/space/spacex-launch-starship-sn20-elon-musk-b1944780.html, SpaceX will launch its next-generation Starship SN20 rocket next month.I am sure that SpaceX will be very happy to hear that Well being as that’s what Elon put on Twitter…There's a difference (apparently lost on the British paper) between "Will launch if all goes well, and regulators permitting" and "Will launch."I doubt that it was lost on them rather that even if inaccurate it makes for a more interesting angle.
Quote from: Star One on 10/25/2021 04:53 pmQuote from: volker2020 on 10/25/2021 03:01 pmGood news for SpaceX.According to the independent https://www.independent.co.uk/space/spacex-launch-starship-sn20-elon-musk-b1944780.html, SpaceX will launch its next-generation Starship SN20 rocket next month.I am sure that SpaceX will be very happy to hear that Well being as that’s what Elon put on Twitter…There's a difference (apparently lost on the British paper) between "Will launch if all goes well, and regulators permitting" and "Will launch."
https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-elon-musk-12-starship-launches-2022/
Not mainstream news, but this trailer for a forthcoming anime has a blink-and-you'll-miss-it shot of a Starship in orbit.
Quote from: Lampyridae on 12/05/2021 08:29 amNot mainstream news, but this trailer for a forthcoming anime has a blink-and-you'll-miss-it shot of a Starship in orbit.To be expected. After all, Starship looks more like the classic sci-fi rocket than anything else ever actually built.If you capture the image, you find that it is based on one of the earlier versions of the Starship, the one which had small fairings around landing legs.Cameo by an enormous Canadarm.
There are also the supremely difficult technical challenges that appear to cause even Musk to doubt himself at times, including building the fully reusable Starship and perfecting the autonomous driving technology which Musk has claimed for years is just around the corner. These, he says, are the two things that take up “the most amount of cognitive load” in his life.“I am confident we don’t need new physics,” Musk says of Starship. “But it is just a staggeringly difficult technical problem. I sometimes wonder, is it actually within the ability of humans to do this? I know that it can be done, but it remains to be done.”Recently, he has been trying to prepare SpaceX’s workers for a difficult road ahead, writing to staff that its future is not assured. Many at the company have never lived through a failed rocket launch, he says. And he outlines how the company could get into financial difficulty should SpaceX fail to produce the engines needed to meet its Starship launch plans and put enough Starlink satellites into orbit. “Bankruptcy is not out of the question,” Musk says. “So we should not be complacent or entitled.”
The Atlantic has a long article on SpaceX and Boca. Reads like a hit piece with all the usual descriptions and terms. https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2022/02/elon-musk-starship-spacex/622054/
Quote from: kevinof on 02/12/2022 08:22 amThe Atlantic has a long article on SpaceX and Boca. Reads like a hit piece with all the usual descriptions and terms. https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2022/02/elon-musk-starship-spacex/622054/Mainstream media desperately wants Musk to fail. Sad to see, but not surprising, unfortunately.
Quote from: Oersted on 02/12/2022 02:57 pmQuote from: kevinof on 02/12/2022 08:22 amThe Atlantic has a long article on SpaceX and Boca. Reads like a hit piece with all the usual descriptions and terms. https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2022/02/elon-musk-starship-spacex/622054/Mainstream media desperately wants Musk to fail. Sad to see, but not surprising, unfortunately.Mainstream media desperately wants drama, because it sells ads. They'll seek out and dramatise both the good and the bad.
Starship is threatening NASA’s moon contractors, which are watching its progress with a mix of awe and horror.Elon Musk is planning yet again to rocket beyond the status quo. And if he succeeds, the aerospace giants that won the first space race may never catch him in this one.
Why Musk’s biggest space gamble is freaking out his competitors>But NASA officials - and their longtime aerospace contractors - are watching with a mix of awe and horror.“They are sh***ing the bed,” said a top Washington space lobbyist who works for SpaceX’s competitors and asked for anonymity to avoid upsetting his clients.>
Write up on Starship in Politico, which covers US public affairs. A pretty good piece but this part made me giggle.Could this lobbyist be the infamous LT?https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/12/elon-musk-space-freaking-out-competitors-00008441QuoteWhy Musk’s biggest space gamble is freaking out his competitors>But NASA officials - and their longtime aerospace contractors - are watching with a mix of awe and horror.“They are sh***ing the bed,” said a top Washington space lobbyist who works for SpaceX’s competitors and asked for anonymity to avoid upsetting his clients.>
"That makes Starship, which conducted a successful flight to the edge of space last year, especially threatening to the contractors and their allies in Congress."
NBC coverage.Other than a few minor inaccuracies like the engine count on starship, actually a pretty decent piece.
Gotta love CNBC taking NSF's video, cropping out the watermark, and making fun of commentators, while their own commentators seem hopelessly unprepared and confused about what they're even looking at:
“We’re working with SpaceX — Starship is going to be an awesome capability,” Rob Hauge, president of Northrop Grumman’s SpaceLogistics, said during a panel at the annual World Satellite Business Week conference on WednesdayBut, speaking to CNBC after the panel, Hauge said that while “Starship will be helpful,” SpaceX has yet to reach orbit with a prototype of the rocket.“There’s still a lot of work to do ... we need to see a mature launch vehicle,” Hauge told CNBC. “Starship is not there yet.”
Thanks for clearing that up, Bob.
That future, though, could see Elon Musk’s in-development Starship with Super Heavy booster for SpaceX not only take the title of most powerful rocket to make it to orbit but also be considered as an alternative for crew and cargo launch capability.Using 33 of SpaceX’s new Raptor 2 engines, the Super Heavy booster will produce 17 million pounds of thrust at liftoff, which is nearly double that seen, heard and felt on the Artemis I launch.
NASA’s Space Launch System (SLS) moon rocket officially became the most powerful rocket ever flown when it lifted off in the early morning hours of Nov. 16, putting out a prodigious 4 million kg (8.8 million lbs) of thrust. That comfortably beat the old record holder—the Apollo era’s Saturn 5, with its 3.4 million kg (7.5 million lbs) of thrust.But the SLS won’t hold that title for long. As Space.com reports, earlier this week, SpaceX successfully test-fired 11 of the 33 engines on its Brobdingnagian Super Heavy rocket, a beast of a machine that, when all of its engines are lit, will produce more than 7.25 million kg (16 million lbs) of thrust, nearly double that of the SLS. The Super Heavy stands 69 m (230 ft.) tall, and serves as the first stage carrying the 50 m (164 ft) Starship spacecraft. The entire stack, also known as Starship, stands nearly 40 stories tall—again easily beating out the SLS’s 32 stories.
SpaceX is gearing up for a key test of its immense rocket that is designed for commercial launches, as well as the Mars mission Elon Musk has long sought.Near a beach east of Brownsville, Texas, employees at Mr. Musk’s space company are preparing for the inaugural orbital flight of Starship, the towering rocket system the company has been developing for years to one day launch into deep space. The initial test mission would last around 90 minutes, beginning with a fiery blast of the ship’s booster over the Gulf of Mexico, SpaceX has said in a regulatory filing.
StarshipFew rockets attract the kind of curiosity and awe that SpaceX’s behemoth Starship does.Standing at a towering 394 feet (with a 164-foot-tall spacecraft also known as Starship attached), the fully stacked launch vehicle is taller than NASA’s retired Saturn V rocket that was used during the Apollo moon program, as well as the agency’s new Space Launch System.
SpaceX wants this supersized rocket to fly. But will investors send it to the Moon?
But Starship will take multiple years to bring to market, and it likely will need additional money, says analyst Chris Quilty. Given the troubles in the tech sector, it makes sense that SpaceX would try and stretch its existing cash for now. "SpaceX is probably betting that market conditions will be better next year," he says. But that strategy carries risks: If the economy slips into a prolonged recession, Quilty warns, "they could find themselves out of cash and out of runway."
Who tf is this guy
Starship Just Took One Step Closer to Mars
Quote from: catdlr on 11/21/2023 08:00 amStarship Just Took One Step Closer to MarsJust to clarify, Newsthink isn't mainstream news. It's a tech-focused video essay channel run by one woman, and a significant number of her videos are Elon Musk-related.
The BBC pinged me about it at the time, but I forgot to mention it here.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-67462116