I want to keep this focused on hard news and factual sightings or events.
Performance is well beyond any known aircraft technologies and seem to defy the laws of known physics too. [...][...]But I suspect that the government has much higher quality materials
Can someone please link the various videos in question?Preferably a link to just the military videos and not some long-winded explanation video.Just the facts, ma'am.
Honestl;y, I don't think that the witnesses being trained fighter pilots adds that much to the credibility of the reports. They may be superbly trained and experienced, but it's as fighter pilots. In the cockpit they take in all the inputs and evaluate them in the context of Is it going to shoot me down?/Should I shoot it down?, Is it going to attack the fleet?/Should I shoot it down?, Should I run?/Should I chase?, etc. Their neural nets have been trained with the bias of performing their military duties of offense and defense as well as possible. When you're a hammer, every problem is a nail. I think that the cat and laser pointer analogy mentioned above is spot on. With cats, everything that moves away quickly is dinner trying to avoid being eaten.When neural nets that are very strongly trained for one kind of discrimination are presented with completely new data than what they encountered in the training set, funny things will happen. Remember the story about the ball tracking camera that locked onto the referee's bald head for the entire game? Or the tank detection software that was actually determining if the sun was out or hidden behind clouds?So while I have no opinion one way or another about the flying tic-tac (insufficient data), I think that the constant refrain about highly-trained Navy pilots doesn't actually add anything to deciphering what they saw, other than possible data about their biases.
Quote from: Nascent Ascent on 05/18/2021 08:05 pmI want to keep this focused on hard news and factual sightings or events.Do you?Quote from: Nascent Ascent on 05/18/2021 08:05 pmPerformance is well beyond any known aircraft technologies and seem to defy the laws of known physics too. [...][...]But I suspect that the government has much higher quality materialsApparently not.
It's all nonsense, always has been. I have been following the subject for many years. Even seasoned "UFO researchers" say the vast majority of sightings are simple phenomenon, misinterpreted.People are really, really good at thinking they see things that are not there, this is not limited to UFOs. (Check out the "Mars mushrooms"). It's known as pareidolia.No one has ever given a credible reason why super-advanced aliens would travel 1000's of light years just to play hide and seek with Navy pilots. Would a human travel to the other side of the world to tease a cat with a laser pointer? Of course not.When, or if aliens arrive on Earth, it will be damn obvious, we won't be peering at fuzzy blobs on videos.
For over 70 years the US Government has labeled anyone who talks about UFO's a crackpot and now all of a sudden they are admitting they are real. I myself had to hide reports from the Air Force in order to not get psychiatrically examined or worse.
@Nascent Ascent:Do I need to quote myself? What nation on earth is possessing seemingly impossible technology and is using it ONLY to spy on somebody else? Why would it not use it to simply just conquer everything that is in its way? Or if it is acting more benignly, why does it not use this technology to make everyone's life better?No UFO-adherent was ever able to answer these simple questions and I don't expect one here.
Quote from: jstrotha0975 on 05/18/2021 09:26 pmFor over 70 years the US Government has labeled anyone who talks about UFO's a crackpot and now all of a sudden they are admitting they are real. I myself had to hide reports from the Air Force in order to not get psychiatrically examined or worse.Ummm... the UFO people kinda label themselves as crackpots for us
Quote from: electricdawn on 05/19/2021 12:58 pm@Nascent Ascent:Do I need to quote myself? What nation on earth is possessing seemingly impossible technology and is using it ONLY to spy on somebody else? Why would it not use it to simply just conquer everything that is in its way? Or if it is acting more benignly, why does it not use this technology to make everyone's life better?No UFO-adherent was ever able to answer these simple questions and I don't expect one here.UFO Adherent? What does that even mean? Someone who believe in unidentified objects? Or do you mean Alien Visitation Adherents? That is a huge leap with no data to back it up.You are raising valid questions, but your questions only serve to highlight the problem. You are assuming that there's an intelligence behind these objects. I make no such assumption. I have no idea what these sightings are. Until we have more data, speculation is just that.That is why this issue is so perplexing. There doesn't seem to be any rational explanation. If you take these latest sightings (visual, FLIR, radar) at face value there's no current theory that can satisfactorily explain what is being reported.What I was hoping to get from this thread was a discussion of how could we scientifically obtain more information given the circumstances of these sighting. We have many talented engineers and scientists here.For example, are there sensor technologies that could be employed? We have visual, IR and radar reports. Are there any technologies that can detect and remotely image magnetic fields? They can detect and image the magnetic fields of sunspots due to the Zeeman effect. Or perhaps since these things come and go (apparently) would there be any way to sample the air for trace gases or elements once the "thing" leave the vicinity? We must know the coordinates of where these things are being seen. Perhaps fly in a drone afterward to sample the atmosphere?How about satellite imaging? If these events are being taken seriously you might expect a coordinated effort. One of the military guys said these events happened on a regular basis. If you have these things zipping around 60 miles in a second or two - you would think a satellite could/would pick up some trace.Maybe there's other sensor technologies out there. Could LIDAR be used?
One or two things that no UFO-adherent has ever been able to answer:If there are truly alien crafts out there that visit us on a regular basis, why have we - in the day of the internet and smart phones whose cameras put professional cameras from two decades ago to shame - NEVER, EVER seen a sharp, focused picture of an alien craft? Why do alien craft that have seemingly unlimited possibilities show themselves under the weirdest circumstances when they obviously could just turn on their infinity drive and super cloak and hide from us ALL THE TIME? Why are they so bad at hiding?And lastly, what is the purpose of all that? Why not just show themselves in plain sight?Trust me, I'm pretty sure there's lots of worlds out there that harbor intelligent life. But none of that has ever visited us.
My (current) theory is that "genuine" UFOs as seen on instruments by military personal are as a result of highly advanced and highly classified sensor spoofing technology, intended to be used as misdirection against other navies and air forces.This technology of course needs to be tested, but without revealing its existence, even to one's own side, so occasionally it is secretly used against one's own forces during military exercises or training and the effectiveness measured.Or, to take the meta one step further, (another layer of tinfoil), the reports could actually be total misinformation, intended to make adversities think that such spoofing technology actually exists, in order to reduce their trust in their own sensor systems during a future conflict.