Author Topic: FAILURE: Astra Rocket 3.1 - Kodiak - September 12, 2020 (03:19 UTC)  (Read 63592 times)

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Apparently this was not an orbital attempt:

twitter.com/planet4589/status/1304623025858453506

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Failed to reach orbit; failed during first stage burn. This was @Astra's first orbital launch attempt - better luck next time.

https://twitter.com/wikkit/status/1304667330878865408

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I'm old fashioned and think that to call something an orbital attempt it would need to be capable of making orbit.

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It really puts perspective on how incredible the It’s a Test mission was. Similar technologies and so different outcomes.

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https://twitter.com/astra/status/1304684472453931008

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We have liftoff!

At 8:19pm PT, Rocket 3.1 left the Alaskan coast at Astra’s Kodiak launch site. We are excited to take this meaningful step towards orbit!

Read more on our blog 👇

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WE HAVE LIFTOFF!
SEPTEMBER 12, 2020

At 8:19pm PT, Rocket 3.1 left the Alaskan coast at Astra’s Kodiak launch site. We’re excited to have our first orbital attempt under our belt!

As we’ve always said, we expect it to take three flights to make it to orbit. Tonight, we saw a beautiful launch! Preliminary data review indicates the rocket performed very well. Early in the flight, our guidance system appears to have introduced some slight oscillation into the flight, causing the vehicle to drift from its planned trajectory leading to a commanded shutdown of the engines by the flight safety system. We didn’t meet all of our objectives, but we did gain valuable experience, plus even more valuable flight data. This launch sets us well on our way to reaching orbit within two additional flights, so we’re happy with the result.

We are incredibly proud of what the team accomplished today. This was our first orbital launch attempt, and the first flight of a rocket designed from the ground-up for low cost mass production and highly-automated launch operations. The entire launch system was deployed by six people in less than a week – completely unprecedented.

Astra’s strategy is to learn fast through iterative development. Although we’re pleased with today’s outcome, we still have more work to do to reach orbit. Once we reach orbit, we will relentlessly continue to improve the economics of the system as we deliver our customers’ payloads.

Over the next several weeks, we’ll be taking a close look at the flight data to determine how to make the next flight more successful. Rocket 3.2 is already built and ready for another big step towards orbit. Thank you to our incredible team and their families, all of our supporters, and stay tuned for updates over the next few weeks. We’ll be back to the pad before you know it!

Chris and Adam

https://astra.com/blog/we-have-lift-off/
« Last Edit: 09/12/2020 07:39 am by FutureSpaceTourist »

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Preliminary data review indicates the rocket performed very well. Early in the flight, our guidance system appears to have introduced some slight oscillation into the flight, causing the vehicle to drift from its planned trajectory leading to a commanded shutdown of the engines by the flight safety system.

Looks like they'll need to do some software tweaks to get things ready for next flight - no indications so far that it was a hardware problem.
« Last Edit: 09/12/2020 07:43 am by snotis »

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Here's a much closer video of the flight, showing much better details of the flight, well worth a watch (if it did terminate then they'd better work on the self-destruct systems BTW)

https://twitter.com/ThomasPRupp/status/1304686594411167745


This twitter post links to a video on facebook which is here:

https://www.facebook.com/ewvandongen/videos/10100980788269883/?extid=3k707T0fk6ZPlc1G&d=n


I'm including both depending on your social media preference.

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Here's a much closer video of the flight, showing much better details of the flight, well worth a watch (if it did terminate then they'd better work on the self-destruct systems BTW)

https://twitter.com/ThomasPRupp/status/1304686594411167745


This twitter post links to a video on facebook which is here:

https://www.facebook.com/ewvandongen/videos/10100980788269883/?extid=3k707T0fk6ZPlc1G&d=n


I'm including both depending on your social media preference.
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Facebook video captures. Bits flew off soon after flameout, which was about 20 seconds after launch.

https://www.facebook.com/ewvandongen/videos/10100980788269883/
« Last Edit: 09/12/2020 09:38 am by Steven Pietrobon »
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Did it....start flipping right after shutdown? Certainly seemed to be in a flat spin on the way down.

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Did it....start flipping right after shutdown? Certainly seemed to be in a flat spin on the way down.

Yes, right after flameout it went sideways and ripped bits off the rocket, probably the nosecone.
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twitter.com/GeoffdBarrett/status/1304636125471019008

Reportedly sourced from Facebook.
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Here's a much closer video of the flight, showing much better details of the flight, well worth a watch (if it did terminate then they'd better work on the self-destruct systems BTW)

https://twitter.com/ThomasPRupp/status/1304686594411167745


This twitter post links to a video on facebook which is here:

https://www.facebook.com/ewvandongen/videos/10100980788269883/?extid=3k707T0fk6ZPlc1G&d=n


I'm including both depending on your social media preference.

Not every rocket has explosive self-destruct.
Several of the small rocket companies are simply going with thrust termination. I think Rocketlab does it too. Virgin Orbit does.

And Astra is also using electric pumps on their engines. That should make reliable thrust termination quite easy.

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Apparently this was not an orbital attempt:

twitter.com/planet4589/status/1304623025858453506

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Failed to reach orbit; failed during first stage burn. This was @Astra's first orbital launch attempt - better luck next time.

https://twitter.com/wikkit/status/1304667330878865408

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I'm old fashioned and think that to call something an orbital attempt it would need to be capable of making orbit.

The blog post specifically says it was an orbital launch attempt.

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Apparently this was not an orbital attempt:

twitter.com/planet4589/status/1304623025858453506

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Failed to reach orbit; failed during first stage burn. This was @Astra's first orbital launch attempt - better luck next time.

https://twitter.com/wikkit/status/1304667330878865408

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I'm old fashioned and think that to call something an orbital attempt it would need to be capable of making orbit.

The blog post specifically says it was an orbital launch attempt.
Brockert is not saying it was not an orbital attempt. He is saying something quite specific if I read it correctly.

Bear in mind he left/was pushed out of Astra a few weeks ago.
« Last Edit: 09/12/2020 01:36 pm by ringsider »

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Not every rocket has explosive self-destruct.
Several of the small rocket companies are simply going with thrust termination. I think Rocketlab does it too. Virgin Orbit does.

And Astra is also using electric pumps on their engines. That should make reliable thrust termination quite easy.
Coming down on water is one thing. There's going to be some serious unhappiness about bombing Kodiak.
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Not every rocket has explosive self-destruct.
Several of the small rocket companies are simply going with thrust termination. I think Rocketlab does it too. Virgin Orbit does.

And Astra is also using electric pumps on their engines. That should make reliable thrust termination quite easy.
Coming down on water is one thing. There's going to be some serious unhappiness about bombing Kodiak.

But why? I can't understand them not implementing an FTS in the vehicle.
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Wow. :(
Two orbital launch failures in one UTC day.
KZ-1A
and this.
« Last Edit: 09/13/2020 07:08 pm by zubenelgenubi »
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Not every rocket has explosive self-destruct.
Several of the small rocket companies are simply going with thrust termination. I think Rocketlab does it too. Virgin Orbit does.

And Astra is also using electric pumps on their engines. That should make reliable thrust termination quite easy.
Coming down on water is one thing. There's going to be some serious unhappiness about bombing Kodiak.

But why? I can't understand them not implementing an FTS in the vehicle.

https://kscsma.ksc.nasa.gov/RangeSafety/overview/fts

"- FTS must render each power stage and / or any other propulsion system, including any that are part of a payload, non-propulsive"

It doesn't need to blow up for it to be a FTS. I'm not sure how much more paperwork there is with the regulatory agencies for having ordinances on range, but I reckon there's probably a lot more and that it's easier to forgo ordinances and show thrust termination is the way to go. Like Bananas on Mars said, you just need to cut the power to the electric motors and then the engine isn't producing thrust anymore.

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Basically, Pilot induced oscillations?

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Pilot-induced oscillations, as defined by MIL-HDBK-1797A,[1] are sustained or uncontrollable oscillations resulting from efforts of the pilot to control the aircraft and occurs when the pilot of an aircraft inadvertently commands an often increasing series of corrections in opposite directions, each an attempt to cover the aircraft's reaction to the previous input with an over correction in the opposite direction. An aircraft in such a condition can appear to be "porpoising" switching between upward and downward directions. As such it is a coupling of the frequency of the pilot's inputs and the aircraft's own frequency. During flight test, pilot-induced oscillation is one of the handling qualities factors that is analyzed, with the aircraft being graded by an established scale (chart at right). In order to avoid any assumption that oscillation is necessarily the fault of the pilot, new terms have been suggested to replace pilot-induced oscillation. These include aircraft-pilot coupling, pilot–in-the-loop oscillations and pilot-assisted (or augmented) oscillations.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot-induced_oscillation

Basically, computer commands pitch one way, it goes too far, computer commands correction, that goes too far...etc. Small errors begin to accumulate.
« Last Edit: 09/12/2020 07:57 pm by ncb1397 »

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I know Space X had a lot of issues when they started out but you have got to think questions will start to be asked about Astra by now.

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