It won't take "nearly an infinite amount of resources" to falsify the proposition that there is or was life on Mars, although it will certainly take a lot.
Anyhow, back to the OP.Question:When Curiosity's work is done, will it be established one way or another that life does, did, or never existed on Mars?Answer:Probably not.
Seeing as how web pages can change and do change and are known to change and that this "change" is part an parcel of the internets, you may stand by your assertion of the current fleeting moment.
she and NASA claimed that it was alien life
Quote from: JohnFornaro on 06/15/2013 04:07 amSeeing as how web pages can change and do change and are known to change and that this "change" is part an parcel of the internets, you may stand by your assertion of the current fleeting moment.Oh come on... The original paper was quite clear that GFAJ-1 was a member of a known family of earth microbes. The press release and video of the press conference from the original announcement Pare also not hard to find. If you are suggesting they have all been retroactively changed to remove references to alien life, that's conspiracy incorrect which has no place in this forum.The original announcement made reference to what implications the supposed arsenic life might have for astrobiology (hence, "alien life" showing up in your google results ) There are plenty of legitimate criticisms to be made over whole hoopla, but your statementQuoteshe and NASA claimed that it was alien lifeis simply 100% flat out wrong.
Quote from: hop on 06/15/2013 06:43 amQuote from: JohnFornaro on 06/15/2013 04:07 amshe and NASA claimed that it was alien lifeis simply 100% flat out wrong.The title of the news story from December 2010 on FOX news is"NASA Conference: Alien Life on Earth"
Quote from: JohnFornaro on 06/15/2013 04:07 amshe and NASA claimed that it was alien lifeis simply 100% flat out wrong.
Definition of ALIEN1: a person of another family, race, or nation2: a foreign-born resident who has not been naturalized and is still a subject or citizen of a foreign country; broadly : a foreign-born citizen3: extraterrestrial4: exotic 1
Quote from: ChrisWilson68 on 06/13/2013 09:19 pmNeither [Wolfe-Simon] nor NASA claimed it was alien life. Take a googol with the terms "Felisa_Wolfe-Simon + alien life + NASA". The number of responses is greater than zero.
Neither [Wolfe-Simon] nor NASA claimed it was alien life.
I call it insane troll logic.
[You] simply 100% flat out wrong.
This... is worst argument for something that I seen in long, long time.
There are 5 professionals named John Fornaro, who use LinkedIn ...
On the subject of this thread...
In short, life on Mars was once rather likely; current surface life is quite unlikely; and chemistry is the way to find the evidence, not the hand lens.
According to your argument, I just made it truth.
Ok so. Why hasn't the presence of boron or arsenic been reported on Mars from the MSL rover?Is this the news before the news?
Teams flimmng thru MSL data together you say. Hmmmm. Sounds like an excercise where you have group interpretation of a Rohrschach diagram. For some reason, everyone is told they have to agree on what the shape looks like. Of course, there won't be any agreement in the end.
Both As and B would have to be abundant to be detected, several hundreds of ppm at least in whole rock samples, I suspect.
Quote from: Mader Levap on 06/15/2013 10:51 amAccording to your argument, I just made it truth.Ok so. You tellin me that:
Huh? What?
troll in that inkblot
1) We should not believe everything NASA says ...2) Any NEWS channel can take any amorphous NASA press conference and mischaracterize the message ...3) We need to spend (billions?) aimlessly looking around for trace amounts of boron in clay on Mars or other places in order to send a manned mission there?
Quote from: RigelFive on 06/16/2013 06:12 amTeams flimmng thru MSL data together you say. Hmmmm. Sounds like an excercise where you have group interpretation of a Rohrschach diagram. For some reason, everyone is told they have to agree on what the shape looks like. Of course, there won't be any agreement in the end.All spacecraft instruments are operated by large teams who all contribute to the results. You can call this group think if you like, others call it collaboration.There is a lot of data and they have to be very sure that it's correct and the interpretations stand up to peer review. You can call this flimming, I call it professional integrity and commitment to quality science.
For the past three decades, the scientific community has consistently advocated the return of geologic samples from Mars.
PS comparing the work of MSL science team to Rorschach testing makes me see a troll in that inkblot
True, R5 gave a harsh interpretation to the team collaboration. Dalhousie objects, and attempts to reframe the discussion from a discussion of higher purpose to a discussion of the educational criteria of the collaborative team.
The NASA Astrobiology Institute (NAI) is a virtual organization consisting of fourteen teams seated at universities and institutions across the US which conduct interdisciplinary research in astrobiology. These teams are actively engaged in training graduate students and postdoctoral fellows. The typical pathway for a student interested in pursuing astrobiology graduate studies is to specialize in a single scientific discipline, but within the broader intellectual spectrum encompassed by astrobiology as described above. Investigators on NAI teams are typically situated within a single department, such as astronomy, or geology, or biological sciences, and graduate students of those investigators typically take on the same departmental affiliation. Currently, PhD’s are not awarded solely in astrobiology.