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End of Baiterek?

On Dec. 5, 2012, the head of the Kazakh space agency, Kazkosmos, Talgat Musabaev told the Interfax new agency that his country had dropped the plans to bring the Angara rocket to Baikonur under the Baiterek project due to its escalating cost and the refusal of Russia to participate in its funding. Russian plans to build a launch pad for the Angara rocket in Vostochny Cosmodrome on its own territory further undermined economic feasibility of Baiterek.

According to Musabaev, Kazakh officials were conducting serious negotiations to form a new joint venture with Russia around a launch vehicle other than Angara, such as Zenit. Built in Ukraine, the Zenit rocket already had an operational launch pad in Baikonur, however, a Russian firm RKK Energia recently publicized plans to develop a Sodruzhestvo (Alliance) heavy-lifting launch vehicle from components of the Zenit rocket.

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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #1 on: 12/05/2012 03:34 pm »
Kazakhstan seems to have a short sighted approach to the resources given to them at the collapse of the USSR. They should have grabbed a piece of ILS and LaunchLaunch and they should have invested in upgrading Proton and Zenit to make them more competitive (ie funding a LH2 upper stage).

When the Russians leave Baikonur, Kazakhstan will have nothing.

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« Reply #2 on: 12/05/2012 03:48 pm »
Kazakhstan seems to have a short sighted approach to the resources given to them at the collapse of the USSR. They should have grabbed a piece of ILS and LaunchLaunch and they should have invested in upgrading Proton and Zenit to make them more competitive (ie funding a LH2 upper stage).

When the Russians leave Baikonur, Kazakhstan will have nothing.
Ukraine still plans to operate Zenit from Baikonur since it is not planned to erect a new launch complex at other Russian Cosmodromes. Ukraine has also considered launching Cyclone-IV from here for a while as a backup to the increasingly unstable Dnepr Program which recently underwent major leadership changes by order of Russian Agencies involved in the Dnepr Program. Ukraine also has developed an Energia-K ILV equivalent planned for use at Site-110 and Processing at Site 112 complexes.

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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #3 on: 12/05/2012 04:31 pm »
Kazakhstan seems to have a short sighted approach to the resources given to them at the collapse of the USSR. They should have grabbed a piece of ILS and LaunchLaunch

How could they "grab" a piece?  They had no companies involved.

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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #4 on: 12/05/2012 04:55 pm »
Here are some links Anatoly Zak of RSW sent me (a subscription is required for the Interfax links):
http://www.interfax.co.uk/kazakhstan-news/kazakhstan-gives-up-on-angara-launcher-project-at-baikunur-kazkosmos/
Mr. Zaks second source:
http://www.vz.ru/news/2012/12/5/610309.html
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Here is a semi-related Zenit Article
http://www.interfax.co.uk/kazakhstan-news/kazakhstan-to-stop-russias-lease-of-zenith-launch-complex-at-baikonur-kazkosmos/

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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #5 on: 12/05/2012 05:55 pm »
Here are some links Anatoly Zak of RSW sent me (a subscription is required for the Interfax links):
http://www.interfax.co.uk/kazakhstan-news/kazakhstan-gives-up-on-angara-launcher-project-at-baikunur-kazkosmos/
Mr. Zaks second source:
http://www.vz.ru/news/2012/12/5/610309.html
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Here is a semi-related Zenit Article
http://www.interfax.co.uk/kazakhstan-news/kazakhstan-to-stop-russias-lease-of-zenith-launch-complex-at-baikonur-kazkosmos/

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looks like all the deals might fall apart now.   I can't read the full story but this might be a good one.

Ukraine could disrupt Sea Launch, Land Launch schedule – source
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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #6 on: 12/05/2012 06:00 pm »
Kazakhstan seems to have a short sighted approach to the resources given to them at the collapse of the USSR. They should have grabbed a piece of ILS and LaunchLaunch and they should have invested in upgrading Proton and Zenit to make them more competitive (ie funding a LH2 upper stage).

When the Russians leave Baikonur, Kazakhstan will have nothing.

would have to check this but believe Kazakhstan has some interest in land launch. 
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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #7 on: 12/05/2012 06:09 pm »
Kazakhstan seems to have a short sighted approach to the resources given to them at the collapse of the USSR. They should have grabbed a piece of ILS and LaunchLaunch

How could they "grab" a piece?  They had no companies involved.

Early direct investment. They missed the boat.

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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #8 on: 12/05/2012 06:10 pm »
Kazakhstan seems to have a short sighted approach to the resources given to them at the collapse of the USSR. They should have grabbed a piece of ILS and LaunchLaunch and they should have invested in upgrading Proton and Zenit to make them more competitive (ie funding a LH2 upper stage).

When the Russians leave Baikonur, Kazakhstan will have nothing.

would have to check this but believe Kazakhstan has some interest in land launch. 

The point is that they should be a major player, funding enhanced capabilities for Zenit, with IP rights tied to launch from Baikonur.

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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #9 on: 12/05/2012 06:10 pm »
Here are some links Anatoly Zak of RSW sent me (a subscription is required for the Interfax links):
http://www.interfax.co.uk/kazakhstan-news/kazakhstan-gives-up-on-angara-launcher-project-at-baikunur-kazkosmos/
Mr. Zaks second source:
http://www.vz.ru/news/2012/12/5/610309.html
-----
Here is a semi-related Zenit Article
http://www.interfax.co.uk/kazakhstan-news/kazakhstan-to-stop-russias-lease-of-zenith-launch-complex-at-baikonur-kazkosmos/

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looks like all the deals might fall apart now.   I can't read the full story but this might be a good one.

Ukraine could disrupt Sea Launch, Land Launch schedule – source

Not to mention KAZKOSMOS's strong push to rapidly eliminate every launcher program that uses Hypergolic Prop./oxidizer from Baikonur. Plus KAZKOSMOS is considering making their own homemade launcher to fly form Baikonur. KAZKOSMOS want's Russian/Ukraine to pay full cost of Cosmodrome cleanup and dismantlement of unused complexes. So with their latest stance about everything as of recent, The present situation might turn into an ugly Political war like we have yet to see to date because these are huge threats that are larger than the ones we have previously seen. Kazakh media are using fighting language against Russia and Ukraine, but they actively welcome Chinese and Turks to pursue their space plans at the cosmodrome with full Kazakh support.
We will see how this plays out very soon between their space agencies and MoD's.

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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #10 on: 12/05/2012 06:15 pm »
Kazakhstan seems to have a short sighted approach to the resources given to them at the collapse of the USSR. They should have grabbed a piece of ILS and LaunchLaunch

How could they "grab" a piece?  They had no companies involved.

Early direct investment. They missed the boat.

No, they had no way to do that.  ILS was already operating and Land launch is just an extension of Sealaunch.  They weren't looking for any more partners. 

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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #11 on: 12/05/2012 06:17 pm »
Kazakhstan seems to have a short sighted approach to the resources given to them at the collapse of the USSR. They should have grabbed a piece of ILS and LaunchLaunch

How could they "grab" a piece?  They had no companies involved.

Early direct investment. They missed the boat.

No, they had no way to do that.  ILS was already operating and Land launch is just an extension of Sealaunch.  They weren't looking for any more partners. 

Your history is a bit off.

ILS was formed from the existing LKE (Lockheed-Khrunichev-Energia) consortium. There was plenty of opportunity for Kazakhstan to intervene as an investor what with owning the launch complex and all that.

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« Reply #12 on: 12/05/2012 06:20 pm »

ILS was formed from the existing LKE (Lockheed-Khrunichev-Energia) consortium. There was plenty of opportunity for Kazakhstan to intervene as an investor what with owning the launch complex and all that.


ILS was LKE with only a name change.  There was no in for Kazakhstan and at the time, owning the complex was still debated.  And even so, their role was more like a landlord.   ILS/LKE wasn't looking for a partner. 

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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #13 on: 12/05/2012 07:10 pm »
Original article from RIA Novosti in Russian
http://ria.ru/science/20121205/913492367.html

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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #14 on: 12/05/2012 08:39 pm »
Kazakhstan seems to have a short sighted approach to the resources given to them at the collapse of the USSR. They should have grabbed a piece of ILS and LaunchLaunch

How could they "grab" a piece?  They had no companies involved.

Early direct investment. They missed the boat.

No, they had no way to do that.  ILS was already operating and Land launch is just an extension of Sealaunch.  They weren't looking for any more partners. 

Kinda think that the Kazakhstan gov. came in to Land Launch and provided funds etc. as a partner.   

Also remember that 2nd Proton bldg and some other launch site improvements have been paid for by the Kazakhstan partners?

Kazakhstan does hold "leverage", will see what happens.

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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #15 on: 12/10/2012 12:36 pm »
Woke up to read front page Yahoo news today....

Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome lease


http://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.html

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Woke up to read front page Yahoo news today....

Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome lease


http://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.html



....and it could also end up as a win-win solution.

1. That's a sign of Kazakhstan authorities saying "We've got more money than before that we can put on Baikonur. Now show yours." to the Russians. In fact this could mean a lower rent rate to the Russians and more investments from the Kazakhs.

2. Remember that the Russians are building a new launch site in the Far East to solve exactly this issue? While work has been slow for the past few years, some significant work has progressed towards the opening of a new Soyuz launch pad in 2015. If the Kazakhs are willing to pull more money into Baikonur, the Russians will surely can get more Rubles into Vostochny and Plesetsk too.

3. Talgat Musabayev (a veteran ex-cosmonaut who spent almost a year on Mir and the ISS, BTW) actually said that if a deal is struck with the Russians to take over Baikonur, it will be done in phases, the first of which will be the Zenit launch facilities on the east side (LC-45/1, the rocket MIK at area 42 etc.). Remember that the Russians have really under-used the Zenit facilities (only 9 launches since 2004!) as the rocket is now made by Ukraine. The Kazakhs would probably be happy to use it......

So who knows, this may actually be the best way to get out of the Baikonur sovereignty issue!
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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #17 on: 12/10/2012 02:41 pm »
Woke up to read front page Yahoo news today....

Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome lease


http://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.html



This has nothing to do with Kazakh "investment" in Baikonur, and everything to do with trying to raise the rent the Russians pay.

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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #18 on: 12/10/2012 03:18 pm »
Woke up to read front page Yahoo news today....

Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome lease


http://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.html



This has nothing to do with Kazakh "investment" in Baikonur, and everything to do with trying to raise the rent the Russians pay.


you think this has to do with rent, I disagree. 

The Kazakh gov. has wised up that Proton has only a couple more years in Baikonur.  Soyuz will still be launched but in smaller numbers.
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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #19 on: 12/10/2012 04:05 pm »
That news sounds like yet another powerplay on Kazakh part - they want more money. They clearly have no use of it all by themselves.

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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #20 on: 12/10/2012 04:29 pm »
Woke up to read front page Yahoo news today....

Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome lease


http://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.html



This has nothing to do with Kazakh "investment" in Baikonur, and everything to do with trying to raise the rent the Russians pay.


you think this has to do with rent, I disagree. 

The Kazakh gov. has wised up that Proton has only a couple more years in Baikonur.  Soyuz will still be launched but in smaller numbers.


Because the Russians are building a new cosmodrome in Russia, you believe that the Kazakhs are now talking about ending the lease for Baikonur ........... why?    ??? ??? ??? ???

If its not about trying to charge the Russians more cash for the Baikonur lease, then what are the Kazakhs trying to gain?    ??? ??? ???

If Protons are allegedly going to stop launching in a few years, how do the Kazakhs mitigate that by ending Baikonur's lease?    ???
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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #21 on: 12/10/2012 06:04 pm »
Woke up to read front page Yahoo news today....

Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome lease


http://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.html



This has nothing to do with Kazakh "investment" in Baikonur, and everything to do with trying to raise the rent the Russians pay.


you think this has to do with rent, I disagree. 

The Kazakh gov. has wised up that Proton has only a couple more years in Baikonur.  Soyuz will still be launched but in smaller numbers.


If Protons are allegedly going to stop launching in a few years, how do the Kazakhs mitigate that by ending Baikonur's lease?    ???

Get some argeement now to continue Protons.   When the replacement is ready you don't play your hand.  They have launch orders now for Proton and Russia would loose that business with a closeure.

Wild Idea, maybe Kazakh want to keep launching Proton after Russia leaves?   

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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #22 on: 12/10/2012 07:21 pm »
Why Proton is about to stop launching from Baikonur?

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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #23 on: 12/10/2012 08:04 pm »
Why Proton is about to stop launching from Baikonur?

Will be replaced by Angara rocket launched from Russia land.
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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #24 on: 12/10/2012 08:12 pm »
Why Proton is about to stop launching from Baikonur?

Will be replaced by Angara rocket launched from Russia land.


Proton-PM will switch from manufacturing RD-276 to RD-191

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« Reply #25 on: 12/10/2012 11:12 pm »
Why Proton is about to stop launching from Baikonur?

Will be replaced by Angara rocket launched from Russia land.


Proton-PM will switch from manufacturing RD-276 to RD-191

since they manufacture engines in batches....would be interesting to know how many RD-276 are around.
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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #26 on: 12/11/2012 12:06 am »
This has nothing to do with Kazakh "investment" in Baikonur, and everything to do with trying to raise the rent the Russians pay.
Not at all: they are trying to take over the place, which assumes stopping paying any rent, not increasing it. The timing is the revenge for "Vostochnyi" and its role in the collapse of "Baiterek".

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« Reply #27 on: 12/11/2012 12:11 am »
Woke up to read front page Yahoo news today....

Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome lease


http://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.html



This has nothing to do with Kazakh "investment" in Baikonur, and everything to do with trying to raise the rent the Russians pay.


you think this has to do with rent, I disagree. 

The Kazakh gov. has wised up that Proton has only a couple more years in Baikonur.  Soyuz will still be launched but in smaller numbers.


If Protons are allegedly going to stop launching in a few years, how do the Kazakhs mitigate that by ending Baikonur's lease?    ???

Get some argeement now to continue Protons.   When the replacement is ready you don't play your hand.  They have launch orders now for Proton and Russia would loose that business with a closeure.

Wild Idea, maybe Kazakh want to keep launching Proton after Russia leaves?   


Kazakh officials have publicly told their affected citizens more than once that they plan to bannish every hypergolic (non environmentally friendly) rocket/booster/missile from Kazakh soil once Angara and Soyuz-2.1v launcher families start commercial/government satellite launches, so I doubt they will agree to your profound plan to place further toxins inside their borders when Proton, Dnepr, Rockot, Strela, Cosmos, Cyclone become redundant launch boosters.
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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #28 on: 12/11/2012 02:36 am »
Kazakhstan could have supported early Angara use at Baikonur, but that train has left the station. All that they can do now is try to extract more rent from Russia.

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« Reply #29 on: 12/11/2012 08:35 am »
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Kazakh officials have publicly told their affected citizens more than once that they plan to bannish every hypergolic (non environmentally friendly) rocket/booster/missile from Kazakh soil

I have a rather low opinion of Kazakhi Officials. They'll do whatever fetches them the most cash. In this case it is launching Proton but kicking and screaming (and receiving bribes) while their doing it. Not that the affected citizens will see one penny of course.

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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #30 on: 12/11/2012 02:27 pm »
Woke up to read front page Yahoo news today....

Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome lease


http://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.html



This has nothing to do with Kazakh "investment" in Baikonur, and everything to do with trying to raise the rent the Russians pay.


you think this has to do with rent, I disagree. 

The Kazakh gov. has wised up that Proton has only a couple more years in Baikonur.  Soyuz will still be launched but in smaller numbers.


If Protons are allegedly going to stop launching in a few years, how do the Kazakhs mitigate that by ending Baikonur's lease?    ???

Get some argeement now to continue Protons.   When the replacement is ready you don't play your hand.  They have launch orders now for Proton and Russia would loose that business with a closeure.

Wild Idea, maybe Kazakh want to keep launching Proton after Russia leaves?   


Kazakh officials have publicly told their affected citizens more than once that they plan to bannish every hypergolic (non environmentally friendly) rocket/booster/missile from Kazakh soil once Angara and Soyuz-2.1v launcher families start commercial/government satellite launches, so I doubt they will agree to your profound plan to place further toxins inside their borders when Proton, Dnepr, Rockot, Strela, Cosmos, Cyclone become redundant launch boosters.
Interesting bit of info.  S
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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #31 on: 12/11/2012 03:58 pm »
Why Proton is about to stop launching from Baikonur?

Will be replaced by Angara rocket launched from Russia land.


Proton-PM will switch from manufacturing RD-276 to RD-191

since they manufacture engines in batches....would be interesting to know how many RD-276 are around.


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2001 - 6 sets
2002 - 6 sets
2003 - 6 sets
2004 - 7 sets
2005 - 8 sets
2006 - 8 sets
2007 - 10 sets
2008 - 12 sets
2009
2010 - 11 sets
2011 - 11 sets
2012 - 12 sets - planned production

2007 was a mixed batch with the final production of RD-275 and RD-276 introduction (referered to as RD-275M during development).

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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #32 on: 12/27/2012 11:33 pm »
Woke up to read front page Yahoo news today....

Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome lease


http://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.html



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« Reply #33 on: 12/27/2012 11:41 pm »
Woke up to read front page Yahoo news today....

Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome lease


http://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.html



any updates on this story?


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« Reply #34 on: 12/28/2012 12:04 am »
Woke up to read front page Yahoo news today....

Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome lease

http://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.html
any updates on this story?
I have not had a chance to check since my electric and communications lines were reconnected to house after an ice storm. I will look into it next week when my systems become more reliable again.

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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #35 on: 01/24/2013 01:20 pm »
posted in another area is this story.  http://ria.ru/science/20130124/919484484.html

I translated it in google....very interesting.

MOSCOW, Jan. 24 - RIA Novosti. Russia and Kazakhstan can stop working on all joint projects in the field because of the limited space launches of Russian rockets from "Baikonur", wrote on Thursday the newspaper "Izvestia" , with reference to an official note to the Russian Foreign Ministry.
The Government of Kazakhstan approved a previously Russia plans to launch a spacecraft and missile test launches from the Baikonur "cosmodrome" in 2013. The number of launches rocket "Proton-M" for space launches in 2013 was reduced to 12 (from 14 in 2012.) In addition, it is assumed that the launches of spacecraft with a new impact area separating parts of rockets such as "Union" shall be allowed only after the signing of the treaty.
The newspaper said the Russian Foreign Ministry sent an official note to the Kazakh side (copy in possession of "News") on the situation with the cosmodrome "Baikonur". The document contains a list of measures that are ready to go to Russia if Kazakhstan does not reverse its decision to limit the rocket launches from the Baikonur "cosmodrome".

"In this situation, Russia will be forced to reconsider whether to continue bilateral cooperation on joint projects, including the program" Dnepr "joint project" Baiterek "considering plans to translate it into a booster" Zenith "and several other" - the document says.

Moscow and Astana share cosmodrome "Baikonur" in 1999, in January 2004, the Russian Baikonur lease was extended until 2050. The annual lease payment Russia is 115 million spaceport operation costs Russia about 5 billion rubles a year. Kazakh Foreign Minister Yerlan Idrisov January 24-25 visit to Moscow, where he plans to discuss the operation of the cosmodrome "Baikonur".
Agreement on the establishment of "Baikonur" space rocket complex "Baiterek" to launch rockets "Angara" Russia and Kazakhstan signed in 2004. However, the leadership Kazkosmos in January stated that it was inappropriate to participate in the project if Russia decides to build a launch complex for the "Angara" at the Baikonur East. He is on the same latitude as the Baikonur, which, according to the Kazakh side, will make "Baiterek" East and direct competitors for commercial launches.
Carrier rocket "Dnepr" was created on the basis of intercontinental ballistic missile RS-20 (SS-18 "Satan"), starts with the help of satellites since 1999, is engaged in the Ukrainian-Russian-Kazakh JSC "Kosmotras." Only the last 17 successful launches, to the launch of 62 spacecraft.


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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #36 on: 01/24/2013 01:25 pm »
From what I know...

Dnepr is a dead program anyhow?   No more launches.

this is turning into a much larger story.

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« Reply #37 on: 01/25/2013 03:46 am »
From what I know...

Dnepr is a dead program anyhow?   No more launches.

this is turning into a much larger story.


Not completely yet as new officials were put in place at order of certain Russian Officials at the end of last year. And there is confirmation of program restart of operations but there is no longer mention of Baikonur.

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« Reply #38 on: 01/26/2013 04:15 pm »
Well looks like the story has legs. The Associated press has gotten a hold of it.

Russia, Kazakhstan spar over space launch pad
http://news.yahoo.com/russia-kazakhstan-spar-over-space-launch-pad-180452221.html

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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #39 on: 02/13/2013 12:22 pm »
http://ria.ru/science/20130213/922698294.html

Kazkosmos boss says Baiterek will be moved forward, using "Zenit" instead of "Angara"

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« Reply #40 on: 02/13/2013 03:16 pm »
http://ria.ru/science/20130213/922698294.html

Kazkosmos boss says Baiterek will be moved forward, using "Zenit" instead of "Angara"

What exactly does that mean? Would this simply be Kazakhstan demanding a larger piece of the Land Launch project, or would Kazakhstan fund some sort of Ukrainian development of Zenit?
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« Reply #41 on: 02/13/2013 06:50 pm »
http://ria.ru/science/20130213/922698294.html

Kazkosmos boss says Baiterek will be moved forward, using "Zenit" instead of "Angara"

What exactly does that mean? Would this simply be Kazakhstan demanding a larger piece of the Land Launch project, or would Kazakhstan fund some sort of Ukrainian development of Zenit?


what do you gain from the translation?
Does the left hand know what the right hand is doing?
 
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« Reply #42 on: 02/14/2013 06:11 pm »
http://ria.ru/science/20130213/922698294.html

Kazkosmos boss says Baiterek will be moved forward, using "Zenit" instead of "Angara"

What exactly does that mean? Would this simply be Kazakhstan demanding a larger piece of the Land Launch project, or would Kazakhstan fund some sort of Ukrainian development of Zenit?


this post today is very interesting...let me test your skills.. ;D
http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/advisor/exclusive-russia-plans-25-30-billion-oil-loans-130640128--finance.html
 
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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #43 on: 02/18/2013 06:16 pm »
Woke up to read front page Yahoo news today....

Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome lease


http://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.html



This has nothing to do with Kazakh "investment" in Baikonur, and everything to do with trying to raise the rent the Russians pay.


you think this has to do with rent, I disagree. 

The Kazakh gov. has wised up that Proton has only a couple more years in Baikonur.  Soyuz will still be launched but in smaller numbers.


with the shortage of Proton launch slots, wondered what would happen

Forget about shortage of slots. There will be Proton launches as many as Russia will want. It was just politics between Russia and Kazakhstan.

What Anik wrote.

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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #44 on: 07/12/2013 07:51 pm »
Russian, Kazakh and Ukranian space agencies agree on Bayterek rocket development

http://www.itar-tass.com/en/c32/802559.html

ASTANA, July 10 (Itar-Tass) - The space agencies of Kazakhstan, Russia and Ukraine have confirmed their intention to develop the Bayterek rocket, which is a modernized Zenit launch vehicle, the Kazkosmos press service said on Wednesday.

The Kazakh National Space Agency's head Talgat Musabayev, Roskosmos head Vladimir Popovkin and Ukraine’s State Space Agency head Yuri Alexeyev signed the joint protocol, after discussing issues related to cooperation and the prospects for the implementation of the Bayterek project at the Baikonur space centre, the press service said.

According to the document, the space agencies confirmed their interest in the development of tripartite cooperation on the commercial use of the Zenit system in the Bayterek development project, the press service said.

The document envisages that the parties will work out terms and mechanisms of the participation and cooperation of all the interested companies and organizations in the process of the Zenit commercial use in the Bayterek project at all the stages, beginning from the rocket production to launch services.

The tripartite meeting of the heads of the space agencies was held during the conference of CIS executive power representatives in Evpatoria on space industry cooperation.

In accordance with the agreement, the Ukrainian space agency will present its proposals to the Kazkosmoc and Roskosmos on the prospects of cooperation in the Bayterek project. Decision on the project will be taken after the proposals are considered.

Ukraine is interested in the Zenit rocket use in the Bayterek development project, Ukrainian space agency head Alexeyev noted. It will allow consolidating market and image positions of the Zenit rocket and broaden international cooperation with Kazakhstan in the space area, he said.

"We already have experience of tripartite international cooperation in the Dnepr programme. With the protocol of the meeting of the heads of the space agencies, we reiterated the necessity to develop the Bayterek space rocket complex at Baikonur cosmodrome with the participation of Kazakhstan, Russia and Ukraine," Kazcosmos head Talgat Musabayev said.

Earlier, the Angara launch vehicle was planned to be used in the Bayterek  project.

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« Reply #45 on: 07/12/2013 07:55 pm »
My analysis of the above news story.

Basically, the three agencies have agreed to consider possibilities of using modified Zenits for future launches from Baikonur.

What will happen is basically nothing.

The Ukrainians will present their plans to modify Zenit. The Kazakhs will defer to the Russians on technical matters. The Russians will play "find me another rock".  The Ukrainians will come back repeatedly with new designs, until they get sick of playing.

In the mean time Land Launch LLC or its successor will continue to fly Zenits from Baikonur from time to time.   At some point, in order to save face, the Kazakhs may rename the Launch Land LLC Zenits as "Baytarek", but the modifications to Zenit would have been provided by someone else.

Russia will pull out of Baikonur many years from now, leaving the Kazakhs to watch the infrastructure decay.

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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #46 on: 09/06/2013 07:13 pm »
There is a "Bayterek" web site in Kazakstan, about the project:

http://www.bayterek.kz/

it still features Angara hardware, so it doesn't seem as if there has been much activity regarding this project lately.

Oh, and the Kazcosmos web site is down.
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« Reply #47 on: 09/07/2013 04:12 pm »
fine looking web site, just had to do some screen grabs of it.
 
 
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« Reply #48 on: 09/07/2013 04:14 pm »
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« Reply #49 on: 09/07/2013 04:18 pm »
This opens up at least half a dozen questions.....more later.
 
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« Reply #50 on: 09/07/2013 04:21 pm »
The obvious question is: if Bayterek is simply a project to launch Zenits from Baikonur, how is this different from Land Launch?

Obviously, what could be done is:

Upgrade and modernize Zenit

and

refurbish Energia pads to support upgrade Zenit and end single point failure of the current single Zenit pad.

But, AFAIK, none of this is being done.

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« Reply #52 on: 09/07/2013 07:23 pm »
After seeing this web site today and just saw todays Reuters news.  Threats of not keeping contracts for RD-180 agreements etc. 
 
Russia needs to rethink how it treats its friends.  This one deal could have more than paid for some of its space program.
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/kazakhs-sell-china-8-33-062222904.html
 
"The $5 billion (3 billion pounds) deal further increases China's rising clout in  post-Soviet Central Asia, once Russia's imperial backyard, and blocks an attempt  by global rival India to get a stake in the oilfield, the world's largest oil  discovery in five decades."
 
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« Reply #53 on: 11/11/2013 06:26 pm »
The obvious question is: if Bayterek is simply a project to launch Zenits from Baikonur, how is this different from Land Launch?

Obviously, what could be done is:

Upgrade and modernize Zenit

and

refurbish Energia pads to support upgrade Zenit and end single point failure of the current single Zenit pad.

But, AFAIK, none of this is being done.



http://kazcosmos.gov.kz/ru/novosti/061113.html


This recent release by the Kazakh government seems to mean that Kazakhstan will take possession of the Zenit launch pad someday, as a replacement for the canceled "Baytarek" launch facility.

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« Reply #54 on: 11/28/2013 01:23 am »
Long-term missions ahead under Russia-Kazakhstan space deal

http://en.itar-tass.com/non-political/709232

ASTANA, November 27. /ITAR-TASS/. Joint projects will be launched at Kazakhstan's Baikonur cosmodrome in a long-term program of co-operation between the two space agencies of Russia and Kazakhstan.

Russia's Roskosmos and Kazakhstan's Kazcosmos plan a development schedule up to 2030, a spokesman for the Kazakh agency said on Wednesday.

The deal was agreed by Russian agency head Oleg Ostapenko and Kazakh opposite number Talgat Musambaev, meeting with team specialists in Kazakhstan's capital, Astana, on Tuesday. This proposes launching a KazSat-3 satellite in 2014.

“The experts exchanged information on a project to establish the Baiterek space rocket complex at Baikonur," the spokesman said. "They also discussed prospects for the Dnepr programme and the launch of Kazakhstan’s terrestrial remote sensing satellite KazGeoSat-1 next year.

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« Reply #55 on: 01/28/2014 04:00 pm »
http://kazcosmos.gov.kz/en/ob-agentstve/grazhdanskij-byudzhet/

This is the 2011-2013 budget for the Kazakh space agency.

One of their major line items is appropriations for Baytarek, which they call "lending".  The 2011 appropriation was 3,587,617 in Kazakh money, 0 for 2012, and 0 for 2013, even though the 2011-2015 strategic plan calls for Baytarek as a major program for the country.

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Re: Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout
« Reply #56 on: 04/21/2023 02:02 pm »
https://t.me/roscosmos_gk/9268

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“We intend to complete the implementation of the Baiterek project”

Yuri Borisov held a working meeting in Astana with the Minister of Digital Development, Innovation and Aerospace Industry of Kazakhstan Bagdat Musin.

The parties discussed the synchronization of work on the creation of the Soyuz-5 rocket and the launch complex at Baikonur under the Baiterek project.

The parties noted the strategic importance of the project and agreed to continue work on its implementation.

On Monday, Yuri Borisov held a meeting at the Progress RCC in Samara dedicated to the creation of the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle.

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