Kazakhstan seems to have a short sighted approach to the resources given to them at the collapse of the USSR. They should have grabbed a piece of ILS and LaunchLaunch and they should have invested in upgrading Proton and Zenit to make them more competitive (ie funding a LH2 upper stage).When the Russians leave Baikonur, Kazakhstan will have nothing.
Kazakhstan seems to have a short sighted approach to the resources given to them at the collapse of the USSR. They should have grabbed a piece of ILS and LaunchLaunch
Here are some links Anatoly Zak of RSW sent me (a subscription is required for the Interfax links):http://www.interfax.co.uk/kazakhstan-news/kazakhstan-gives-up-on-angara-launcher-project-at-baikunur-kazkosmos/Mr. Zaks second source:http://www.vz.ru/news/2012/12/5/610309.html-----Here is a semi-related Zenit Articlehttp://www.interfax.co.uk/kazakhstan-news/kazakhstan-to-stop-russias-lease-of-zenith-launch-complex-at-baikonur-kazkosmos/If someone has a subscription to Interfax's UK Service please post both articles content in a new post so all can read. Please paste the link withe corresponding article.Many Thanks,RH117
Quote from: Danderman on 12/05/2012 03:34 pmKazakhstan seems to have a short sighted approach to the resources given to them at the collapse of the USSR. They should have grabbed a piece of ILS and LaunchLaunchHow could they "grab" a piece? They had no companies involved.
Quote from: Danderman on 12/05/2012 03:34 pmKazakhstan seems to have a short sighted approach to the resources given to them at the collapse of the USSR. They should have grabbed a piece of ILS and LaunchLaunch and they should have invested in upgrading Proton and Zenit to make them more competitive (ie funding a LH2 upper stage).When the Russians leave Baikonur, Kazakhstan will have nothing.would have to check this but believe Kazakhstan has some interest in land launch.
Quote from: russianhalo117 on 12/05/2012 04:55 pmHere are some links Anatoly Zak of RSW sent me (a subscription is required for the Interfax links):http://www.interfax.co.uk/kazakhstan-news/kazakhstan-gives-up-on-angara-launcher-project-at-baikunur-kazkosmos/Mr. Zaks second source:http://www.vz.ru/news/2012/12/5/610309.html-----Here is a semi-related Zenit Articlehttp://www.interfax.co.uk/kazakhstan-news/kazakhstan-to-stop-russias-lease-of-zenith-launch-complex-at-baikonur-kazkosmos/If someone has a subscription to Interfax's UK Service please post both articles content in a new post so all can read. Please paste the link withe corresponding article.Many Thanks,RH117looks like all the deals might fall apart now. I can't read the full story but this might be a good one.Ukraine could disrupt Sea Launch, Land Launch schedule – source
Quote from: Jim on 12/05/2012 04:31 pmQuote from: Danderman on 12/05/2012 03:34 pmKazakhstan seems to have a short sighted approach to the resources given to them at the collapse of the USSR. They should have grabbed a piece of ILS and LaunchLaunchHow could they "grab" a piece? They had no companies involved.Early direct investment. They missed the boat.
Quote from: Danderman on 12/05/2012 06:09 pmQuote from: Jim on 12/05/2012 04:31 pmQuote from: Danderman on 12/05/2012 03:34 pmKazakhstan seems to have a short sighted approach to the resources given to them at the collapse of the USSR. They should have grabbed a piece of ILS and LaunchLaunchHow could they "grab" a piece? They had no companies involved.Early direct investment. They missed the boat.No, they had no way to do that. ILS was already operating and Land launch is just an extension of Sealaunch. They weren't looking for any more partners.
ILS was formed from the existing LKE (Lockheed-Khrunichev-Energia) consortium. There was plenty of opportunity for Kazakhstan to intervene as an investor what with owning the launch complex and all that.
Woke up to read front page Yahoo news today....Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome leasehttp://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.html
Quote from: Prober on 12/10/2012 12:36 pmWoke up to read front page Yahoo news today....Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome leasehttp://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.htmlThis has nothing to do with Kazakh "investment" in Baikonur, and everything to do with trying to raise the rent the Russians pay.
Quote from: Danderman on 12/10/2012 02:41 pmQuote from: Prober on 12/10/2012 12:36 pmWoke up to read front page Yahoo news today....Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome leasehttp://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.htmlThis has nothing to do with Kazakh "investment" in Baikonur, and everything to do with trying to raise the rent the Russians pay.you think this has to do with rent, I disagree. The Kazakh gov. has wised up that Proton has only a couple more years in Baikonur. Soyuz will still be launched but in smaller numbers.
Quote from: Prober on 12/10/2012 03:18 pmQuote from: Danderman on 12/10/2012 02:41 pmQuote from: Prober on 12/10/2012 12:36 pmWoke up to read front page Yahoo news today....Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome leasehttp://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.htmlThis has nothing to do with Kazakh "investment" in Baikonur, and everything to do with trying to raise the rent the Russians pay.you think this has to do with rent, I disagree. The Kazakh gov. has wised up that Proton has only a couple more years in Baikonur. Soyuz will still be launched but in smaller numbers.If Protons are allegedly going to stop launching in a few years, how do the Kazakhs mitigate that by ending Baikonur's lease?
Why Proton is about to stop launching from Baikonur?
Quote from: spaceStalker on 12/10/2012 07:21 pmWhy Proton is about to stop launching from Baikonur? Will be replaced by Angara rocket launched from Russia land.
Quote from: Prober on 12/10/2012 08:04 pmQuote from: spaceStalker on 12/10/2012 07:21 pmWhy Proton is about to stop launching from Baikonur? Will be replaced by Angara rocket launched from Russia land.Proton-PM will switch from manufacturing RD-276 to RD-191
This has nothing to do with Kazakh "investment" in Baikonur, and everything to do with trying to raise the rent the Russians pay.
Quote from: Danderman on 12/10/2012 04:29 pmQuote from: Prober on 12/10/2012 03:18 pmQuote from: Danderman on 12/10/2012 02:41 pmQuote from: Prober on 12/10/2012 12:36 pmWoke up to read front page Yahoo news today....Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome leasehttp://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.htmlThis has nothing to do with Kazakh "investment" in Baikonur, and everything to do with trying to raise the rent the Russians pay.you think this has to do with rent, I disagree. The Kazakh gov. has wised up that Proton has only a couple more years in Baikonur. Soyuz will still be launched but in smaller numbers.If Protons are allegedly going to stop launching in a few years, how do the Kazakhs mitigate that by ending Baikonur's lease? Get some argeement now to continue Protons. When the replacement is ready you don't play your hand. They have launch orders now for Proton and Russia would loose that business with a closeure.Wild Idea, maybe Kazakh want to keep launching Proton after Russia leaves?
Kazakh officials have publicly told their affected citizens more than once that they plan to bannish every hypergolic (non environmentally friendly) rocket/booster/missile from Kazakh soil
Quote from: Prober on 12/10/2012 06:04 pmQuote from: Danderman on 12/10/2012 04:29 pmQuote from: Prober on 12/10/2012 03:18 pmQuote from: Danderman on 12/10/2012 02:41 pmQuote from: Prober on 12/10/2012 12:36 pmWoke up to read front page Yahoo news today....Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome leasehttp://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.htmlThis has nothing to do with Kazakh "investment" in Baikonur, and everything to do with trying to raise the rent the Russians pay.you think this has to do with rent, I disagree. The Kazakh gov. has wised up that Proton has only a couple more years in Baikonur. Soyuz will still be launched but in smaller numbers.If Protons are allegedly going to stop launching in a few years, how do the Kazakhs mitigate that by ending Baikonur's lease? Get some argeement now to continue Protons. When the replacement is ready you don't play your hand. They have launch orders now for Proton and Russia would loose that business with a closeure.Wild Idea, maybe Kazakh want to keep launching Proton after Russia leaves? Kazakh officials have publicly told their affected citizens more than once that they plan to bannish every hypergolic (non environmentally friendly) rocket/booster/missile from Kazakh soil once Angara and Soyuz-2.1v launcher families start commercial/government satellite launches, so I doubt they will agree to your profound plan to place further toxins inside their borders when Proton, Dnepr, Rockot, Strela, Cosmos, Cyclone become redundant launch boosters.
Quote from: Stan Black on 12/10/2012 08:12 pmQuote from: Prober on 12/10/2012 08:04 pmQuote from: spaceStalker on 12/10/2012 07:21 pmWhy Proton is about to stop launching from Baikonur? Will be replaced by Angara rocket launched from Russia land.Proton-PM will switch from manufacturing RD-276 to RD-191since they manufacture engines in batches....would be interesting to know how many RD-276 are around.
Quote from: Prober on 12/10/2012 12:36 pmWoke up to read front page Yahoo news today....Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome leasehttp://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.htmlany updates on this story?
From what I know...Dnepr is a dead program anyhow? No more launches.this is turning into a much larger story.
http://ria.ru/science/20130213/922698294.htmlKazkosmos boss says Baiterek will be moved forward, using "Zenit" instead of "Angara"
Quote from: owais.usmani on 02/13/2013 12:22 pmhttp://ria.ru/science/20130213/922698294.htmlKazkosmos boss says Baiterek will be moved forward, using "Zenit" instead of "Angara"What exactly does that mean? Would this simply be Kazakhstan demanding a larger piece of the Land Launch project, or would Kazakhstan fund some sort of Ukrainian development of Zenit?
Quote from: Prober on 02/18/2013 02:26 pmwith the shortage of Proton launch slots, wondered what would happenForget about shortage of slots. There will be Proton launches as many as Russia will want. It was just politics between Russia and Kazakhstan.
with the shortage of Proton launch slots, wondered what would happen
The obvious question is: if Bayterek is simply a project to launch Zenits from Baikonur, how is this different from Land Launch?Obviously, what could be done is:Upgrade and modernize Zenitandrefurbish Energia pads to support upgrade Zenit and end single point failure of the current single Zenit pad.But, AFAIK, none of this is being done.
“We intend to complete the implementation of the Baiterek project”Yuri Borisov held a working meeting in Astana with the Minister of Digital Development, Innovation and Aerospace Industry of Kazakhstan Bagdat Musin.The parties discussed the synchronization of work on the creation of the Soyuz-5 rocket and the launch complex at Baikonur under the Baiterek project.The parties noted the strategic importance of the project and agreed to continue work on its implementation.On Monday, Yuri Borisov held a meeting at the Progress RCC in Samara dedicated to the creation of the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle.