At ASEB, Wayne Hale shows this chart (apologies that I can't get a better screengrab). Don't think I've seen this description of ANNUAL lunar missions that are 2 crew for 6-14 days through 2031 and then 4 crew for 30 days.
Hale: ppl ask me what NASA's exit strategy is for the Moon, when to leave and head for Mars. NASA, the United States, will never leave the Moon, but will decide when know enough to go to Mars. Developing that criteria.
Wayne Hale's presentation on Artemis is at 3h32m of this video:https://vimeo.com/event/2474343There is also a presentation by Jim Reuter of STMD at 11m of the same video.
2022: NASA orders three additional Orion spacecraft missions for Artemis VI-VIII for $1.99 billion.
NASA Orders Three More Orion Spacecraft From Lockheed Martin:https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2022-10-20-NASA-Orders-Three-More-Orion-Spacecraft-from-Lockheed-Martin
Under OPOC, Lockheed Martin and NASA have reduced the costs on Orion by 50% per vehicle on Artemis III through Artemis V, compared to vehicles built during the design and development phase. The vehicles built for Artemis VI, VII and VIII will see an additional 30% cost reduction.
Quote from: yg1968 on 10/21/2022 05:00 pmNASA Orders Three More Orion Spacecraft From Lockheed Martin:https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2022-10-20-NASA-Orders-Three-More-Orion-Spacecraft-from-Lockheed-MartinFrom that press release:QuoteUnder OPOC, Lockheed Martin and NASA have reduced the costs on Orion by 50% per vehicle on Artemis III through Artemis V, compared to vehicles built during the design and development phase. The vehicles built for Artemis VI, VII and VIII will see an additional 30% cost reduction.These claims don’t match the Orion budget. Artemis IV launches in 2027 under the baseline and content manifests. According to this LockMart press release, Orion’s budget should come down by about half by then, or at least around $700 million from its peak of over $1.4 billion a couple years earlier. But NASA’s FY 2023 budget request shows Orion still consuming $1.1 billion in FY 2027.It’s nice that the Orion Program may finally have its arms around costs and that they may be coming down modestly. And I’m sure a LockMart accountant could show how the Orion for Artemis IV is 50% of the Orion for Artemis I by excluding a lot of costs. But in terms of what NASA and the US taxpayer actually have to cough up for Orions, OPOC and the Orion Program are not coming in anywhere near their cost goals and claims.
With this award, NASA is ordering three Orion spacecraft for Artemis missions III through V for $2.7 billion. The agency plans to order three additional Orion capsules in fiscal year 2022 for Artemis missions VI through VIII, at a total of $1.9 billion.
They are planning on reusing the capsule from Artemis 3 on Artemis 6, 4 on 7, and 5 on 8, that's playing a huge part of that 50% cost reduction.
Quote from: whitelancer64 on 10/21/2022 09:19 pmThey are planning on reusing the capsule from Artemis 3 on Artemis 6, 4 on 7, and 5 on 8, that's playing a huge part of that 50% cost reduction.So, given that, then the order that NASA just finalized is really to refurbish the Artemis 3-5 Orions for Artemis 6-8, not to build new vehicles?I always worry that OPOC activity is a harbinger of SLS (soon to be EPOC) activity. There was just recently a SpaceNews piece that indicated that NASA filed its intention to sole-source the EPOC contract to a joint venture between Boeing and Northrop-Grumman (the official name for the venture is "Deep Space Transport", but using the contraction "BoNor" for this seems soooooo much better), but the press release says that they don't plan to pull the pin on EPOC orders for the Arty 5-9 missions just yet.My hope is that the OPOC order simply allows LockMart to get the refurbishment ball rolling, and doesn't imply that the SLS orders for Arty 5-9 are coming soon. Once that happens, it'll make it hard to roll over to some other alternative for later Artemis missions.
David Parker, director of human and robotic exploration at ESA, confirmed that the agency will seek funding for the European Large Logistics Lander, or EL3, a cargo lander that could be used to support the NASA-led Artemis campaign of human lunar missions. “We are asking at the ministerial for subscriptions to support the first step of development” of EL3, also known as Argonaut, he said. The agency is seeking 380 million euros for lunar robotic activities in general, of which the majority would go to EL3, which he said would put the program on track for a first mission in 2030.
HALE URGES MORE TRANSPARENCY IN ARTEMIS COMMERCIAL CONTRACTSBy Marcia Smith | Posted: October 21, 2022 11:47 pm ET | Last Updated: October 22, 2022 12:09 am ETThe chairman of a NASA advisory committee, Wayne Hale, is urging NASA to avoid contracts that prevent release of information to the public because companies claim it as proprietary. That applies particularly to Public-Private Partnerships like the Human Landing Systems being developed for the Artemis program to return astronauts to the Moon.
https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/hale-urges-more-transparency-in-artemis-commercial-contracts/QuoteHALE URGES MORE TRANSPARENCY IN ARTEMIS COMMERCIAL CONTRACTSBy Marcia Smith | Posted: October 21, 2022 11:47 pm ET | Last Updated: October 22, 2022 12:09 am ETThe chairman of a NASA advisory committee, Wayne Hale, is urging NASA to avoid contracts that prevent release of information to the public because companies claim it as proprietary. That applies particularly to Public-Private Partnerships like the Human Landing Systems being developed for the Artemis program to return astronauts to the Moon.
