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How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #380 on: 05/22/2024 07:59 pm »
NASA - Artificial Intelligence Town Hall:

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https://www.youtube.com/live/n3LH7Hd0L5s?si=Nv9lpCymZ82VhROx

NASA’s present and future use of AI.
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Re: How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #381 on: 05/25/2024 03:22 am »
This might be the ideal place for analog AI computing. It's low power, and energetic particles should "just" result in a higher noise floor, instead of the (numerically catastrophic) bit flips in digital systems.
No. In analog computing you encode one number in a voltage level. In digital computing you have 2 discrete voltage levels but several of them for each number (i.e. bits). A weak particle/ray might not flip your bit of your digital representation, but it might change your analog voltage signal by e.g. 30%.

The two aren't really incompatible.

Digital systems will perfectly tolerate up to a certain noise level, but if the noise floor gets too high then they fall off a "digital cliff" where the entire signal is lost. Analog systems, by contrast, have a smooth increase in error as the noise floor increases.

If a digital signal has fallen off the digital cliff, then obviously a working (if noisy) analog signal is preferred. If a digital signal has not fallen off the cliff, then it again becomes a tradeoff of error rate vs power consumption.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_cliff
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Re: How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #382 on: 05/25/2024 04:11 pm »
Doctor Mike Pound in relation to a new paper, linked to below, argues that generative AI is likely to son plateau, and thatís going to become increasingly difficult to get any kind of meaningful improvement in its performance.

I've seen your video making the rounds on the internet. But that's an aside from the fact that Generative AI has yet to be applied to creating all sorts of other useful output, like generating designs for machines, devices, vehicles, buildings, architecture, etc, etc.
We may even be able to use it to create organisms and even entire ecosystems we could use for terraforming.

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Re: How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #383 on: 05/29/2024 08:13 pm »

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Re: How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #384 on: 06/10/2024 08:23 am »
Beyond the black box issue with AI’s in that we don’t know why they make some decisions that they do. There’s the basic fact it seems that they shouldn’t work as well as they do in the first place:


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« Reply #385 on: 06/10/2024 05:47 pm »
Beyond the black box issue with AIís in that we donít know why they make some decisions that they do. Thereís the basic fact it seems that they shouldnít work as well as they do in the first place:

Yeah, I'd seen that one. Regarding that graph on the thumbnail, the discussion and speculation seem to point to some kind of emergent behavior when you get over a certain threshold number of neurons. A simple fly or ant doesn't have enough neurons for higher mental processes, but as you get to larger-brained animals you start to see it.

So as we continue to scale up the number of neurons, perhaps we'll just hit the jackpot automatically. In achieving superintelligent AI that can solve any math problem, any physics problem, any engineering problem, and even any problem that's a combination of these, perhaps our technology will radically take off and start to look alien even to us.

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How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #386 on: 06/10/2024 11:41 pm »
Beyond the black box issue with AIís in that we donít know why they make some decisions that they do. Thereís the basic fact it seems that they shouldnít work as well as they do in the first place:

Yeah, I'd seen that one. Regarding that graph on the thumbnail, the discussion and speculation seem to point to some kind of emergent behavior when you get over a certain threshold number of neurons. A simple fly or ant doesn't have enough neurons for higher mental processes, but as you get to larger-brained animals you start to see it.

So as we continue to scale up the number of neurons, perhaps we'll just hit the jackpot automatically. In achieving superintelligent AI that can solve any math problem, any physics problem, any engineering problem, and even any problem that's a combination of these, perhaps our technology will radically take off and start to look alien even to us.

Is it related to the theory that consciousness is related to complexity? That it arises automatically as complexity goes beyond a certain point. I asked ChatGPT about it and itís an incredible complex theoretical area including also if a robot is more likely to develop consciousness because it has physical inputs rather than just a disembodied entity like an AI agent.
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Re: How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #387 on: 06/11/2024 01:22 am »
Is it related to the theory that consciousness is related to complexity? That it arises automatically as complexity goes beyond a certain point. I asked ChatGPT about it and itís an incredible complex theoretical area including also if a robot is more likely to develop consciousness because it has physical inputs rather than just a disembodied entity like an AI agent.

Well, regarding the robot thing, that's why Elon is interested in what he calls "real world AI" -- meaning that the robot is grounded in reality by real world inputs, as opposed to the artificial bubble that disembodied AI lives in, which leaves it prone to hallucination.

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Re: How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #388 on: 06/11/2024 10:28 am »
The general term-of-art for that concept is "embodiment", which covers not just physical chassis but virtual ones as well - where inputs to a system are filtered through 'virtual sensors' rather than the system having total access to all knowledge about an environment. An example would be the difference between feeding a maze-solving system an image of the entire maze containing the current 'position', vs. feeding it "these are the walls 'visible' from your current location".

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How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #389 on: 06/13/2024 08:33 pm »
As she points out the predictions in his paper are nonsensical. For a start the power requirements for the kind of AGI heís envisioning is just beyond current reality, and would really require something like fusion power. Well obviously thatís not round the corner. Let alone the ridiculous data requirements, which he thinks are going to be solved by lots of robots well where are all these robots coming from. The fact that heís written a paper on unlimited AI growth, yet is now head of an investment group in AI growth as she indicates is probably not unrelated.  She seems to feel with AGI itís not a case of if but when it will arise.

Is the intelligence explosion near? A reality check:

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Re: How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #390 on: 06/14/2024 05:45 am »
If FSD can handle the crowded urban streets, then shouldn't it have a cakewalk on the Moon and Mars?

Musk on FSD and also Optimus (apparently both have a lot in common)


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Re: How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #391 on: 06/22/2024 02:19 am »
Ilya Sutskever has broken free to pursue Artificial Super Intelligence with his new company SSI:




Google's initial slogan: "Don't Be Evil"

SSI's slogan: "Safe Super Intelligence"

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Re: How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #392 on: 06/22/2024 09:54 am »
Is AI a standalone product or just another feature to be built into software be it on a mobile or spaceship:


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Re: How Can AI Be Used for Space Applications?
« Reply #393 on: Today at 09:00 pm »
Is AI a standalone product or just another feature to be built into software be it on a mobile or spaceship:

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That's really more of a pricing and a marketing decision, and not really an engineering question.

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