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Offline gongora

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings in Other Countries
« Reply #60 on: 02/15/2021 03:21 pm »
I really need to gather up some of the international info on Starlink.  (Unless someone else wants to do it.)

https://twitter.com/stevesong/status/1360953072906862594
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Nigerian regulator grants Starlink permission to "beam their signals till November 2026 over Nigerian territory"
https://ncc.gov.ng/technical-regulation/spectrum/space-services.  (via @mikejensen)

I was under the impression that Starlink did not have any service over equatorial areas yet. Forward thinking perhaps.

https://ncc.gov.ng/technical-regulation/spectrum/space-services
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   The Commission has authorized Space Exploration Technologies Corporation (SpaceX) Satellite Constellation for its full constellation of 4408 satellites and issued a Landing Permit with a duration of six (6) years to SpaceXs 893 satellites launched at time of application to the Commission. The satellite constellation can beam their signals till November 2026 over Nigerian territory. This Landing Permit is subject to review and extension pending SpaceXs launching of its full constellation of 4408 satellites.

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings in Other Countries
« Reply #61 on: 02/15/2021 11:00 pm »
There is coverage but not continuous. Must wait for the 1400+ total of sats for continuous coverage down to equator. But still needs the SSO sats as well which is not part of the 1400 sat group to do coverage above 53 degrees latitude. With the next two launches will have 1140 V1.0 sats on orbit and will only take 5 more launches after that to reach the magical 1400+ sat number. Which should happen by end of April. But it will take another 2 to 3 months before 1400+ sats are all operational or July 2021. Which would not be a long wait for Nigeria to have continuous coverage. A package deal that could include a matched solar/battery with the UT that has a significant excess of power to run devices like TV and other computer equipment would be an interesting package for the Nigerian market.

An interesting Note is that Nigeria may get full coverage before Canada.

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings in Other Countries
« Reply #62 on: 02/19/2021 12:14 am »
Got the email today that Starlink beta is now available in my area (Perth, Australia) on a limited basis.

To clarify, the email wording says “available to order on a limited basis” and that some orders may take up to 6 months to fulfill.

So orders have opened. Roll out may take a few months longer.

Pretty sure it’s the standard wording though.
« Last Edit: 02/19/2021 12:49 am by M.E.T. »

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings in Other Countries
« Reply #63 on: 03/10/2021 03:07 am »
Starlink rolling out in Germany and New Zealand, expanding in the UK

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The Starlink team is expanding their international service this week--here’s a snapshot of where we’re headed:

Germany: launching this week in parts of western Germany and expanding in the coming weeks

United Kingdom: expanding coverage beyond southern England to include parts of Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and northern England

New Zealand: launching in parts of the South Island and expanding in the coming weeks

You can check availability for your location on starlink.com by entering your service address. If Starlink is not yet available in your area, you can place a deposit to hold your space in line for future service. All orders are first come, first served.

(also interesting that the Starlink team is now using the reddit r/starlink to release news like this)

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings in Other Countries
« Reply #64 on: 03/15/2021 02:13 am »
Apparently there's an attempt to stop Starlink in the France Parliament, but it was defeated:

L’Assemblée nationale balaie le « moratoire Starlink » proposé par la France Insoumise

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The amendment defended by La France Insoumise against Starlink was declared inadmissible in Parliament.

There will be no moratorium on Starlink in France, at least not within the framework of the bill to combat climate change and strengthen resilience in the face of its effects. The amendment carried by the seventeen members of France Insoumise was declared inadmissible by the rules of the National Assembly. It was therefore, in fact, rejected before its consideration in committee.

The purpose of the amendment was to institute a suspension of Starlink operations in France for at least a year. During this period, the aim was to conduct a national consultation to collect public opinion on this proposed high-speed satellite Internet offer. A rejection would likely have greatly complicated Starlink's plans in France.

"La France Insoumise is a democratic socialist, left-wing populist political party in France" according to Wikipedia.

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings in Other Countries
« Reply #65 on: 03/15/2021 11:59 am »
Apparently there's an attempt to stop Starlink in the France Parliament, but it was defeated:

L’Assemblée nationale balaie le « moratoire Starlink » proposé par la France Insoumise

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The amendment defended by La France Insoumise against Starlink was declared inadmissible in Parliament.

There will be no moratorium on Starlink in France, at least not within the framework of the bill to combat climate change and strengthen resilience in the face of its effects. The amendment carried by the seventeen members of France Insoumise was declared inadmissible by the rules of the National Assembly. It was therefore, in fact, rejected before its consideration in committee.

The purpose of the amendment was to institute a suspension of Starlink operations in France for at least a year. During this period, the aim was to conduct a national consultation to collect public opinion on this proposed high-speed satellite Internet offer. A rejection would likely have greatly complicated Starlink's plans in France.

"La France Insoumise is a democratic socialist, left-wing populist political party in France" according to Wikipedia.
And "Insoumise" = "Rebellious" according to Google translate.

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings outside the United States
« Reply #66 on: 03/26/2021 01:34 pm »
Technically not a regulatory filing (not sure if they're publicly available in the UK), but I guess this is the most appropriate thread;

Elon Musk's Starlink inks UK deal for satellite ground infrastructure

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Elon Musk has signed up telecoms mast company Arqiva to provide ground stations that will let him spread his satellite broadband service across Britain.

The SpaceX billionaire’s satellite internet service, Starlink, will use ground infrastructure provided by the Crawley headquartered company for its communications, a space industry insider said.

Arqiva has large ground station dishes across the home counties with sites at Chalfont Grove in Buckinghamshire as well as Bedfordshire, Suffolk and Hampshire. An Arqiva spokesperson declined to comment.

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings outside the United States
« Reply #67 on: 04/03/2021 03:16 pm »
Facing resistance in India: Elon Musk’s Starlink Beta meets opposition from India’s industry body

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It appears that Starlink is facing a challenge in India, a country expected to receive coverage from the satellite internet system sometime next year.

The opposition against Starlink was initiated by the Broadband India Forum, which has written a request to the Telecom Regulatory Authority of India (TRAI) and the Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO). The forum asked the bodies to block SpaceX from pre-selling the beta version of the satellite internet service in the country.

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings outside the United States
« Reply #68 on: 04/22/2021 04:26 am »
Elon Musk’s SpaceX must have black ownership to launch Starlink in South Africa – ICASA

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While SpaceX has already registered as a company in South Africa with the Companies and Intellectual Property Commission, approval to provide Internet services via Starlink would fall to the Independent Communications Authority of South Africa (ICASA).

ICASA previously told MyBroadband that it had held discussions with SpaceX, but that the company still needed to apply for an Individual Electronic Communications Network Service (I-ECNS) and Individual Electronics Communications Service (I-ECS) license to provide its satellite-based broadband Internet locally.

In addition, it would have to acquire a Radio Frequency Spectrum licence to allow for Starlink to communicate on specified frequency spectrum bands for satellite broadband services.

There is one major problem, however.

ICASA recently published new regulations which require all telecoms licensees in the country – including ISPs – to have black owners.

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings outside the United States
« Reply #69 on: 04/22/2021 06:18 am »
Elon Musk’s SpaceX must have black ownership to launch Starlink in South Africa – ICASA

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While SpaceX has already registered as a company in South Africa with the Companies and Intellectual Property Commission, approval to provide Internet services via Starlink would fall to the Independent Communications Authority of South Africa (ICASA).

ICASA previously told MyBroadband that it had held discussions with SpaceX, but that the company still needed to apply for an Individual Electronic Communications Network Service (I-ECNS) and Individual Electronics Communications Service (I-ECS) license to provide its satellite-based broadband Internet locally.

In addition, it would have to acquire a Radio Frequency Spectrum licence to allow for Starlink to communicate on specified frequency spectrum bands for satellite broadband services.

There is one major problem, however.

ICASA recently published new regulations which require all telecoms licensees in the country – including ISPs – to have black owners.

It's not quite as scary as the article makes out IMO. It does require the license holder comply with Black and HDG equity, but the license holder can be a local subsidiary. It sounds like Musk has already formed the local subsidiary. I would not be surprised to find he was working on a deal to transfer a percentage of ownership in that local subsidiary to community NGO's in rural areas. It would certainly be a nice bit of PR for him.

Of course, whether it's worth the all the red tape to provide coverage to RSA is now the real question. They might just pull out entirely :(

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings outside the United States
« Reply #70 on: 04/22/2021 08:18 am »
Elon Musk’s SpaceX must have black ownership to launch Starlink in South Africa – ICASA

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While SpaceX has already registered as a company in South Africa with the Companies and Intellectual Property Commission, approval to provide Internet services via Starlink would fall to the Independent Communications Authority of South Africa (ICASA).

ICASA previously told MyBroadband that it had held discussions with SpaceX, but that the company still needed to apply for an Individual Electronic Communications Network Service (I-ECNS) and Individual Electronics Communications Service (I-ECS) license to provide its satellite-based broadband Internet locally.

In addition, it would have to acquire a Radio Frequency Spectrum licence to allow for Starlink to communicate on specified frequency spectrum bands for satellite broadband services.

There is one major problem, however.

ICASA recently published new regulations which require all telecoms licensees in the country – including ISPs – to have black owners.

Yep. South Africa has pretty extreme black ownership laws. Essentially a percentage of the company has to be given away for no value add - often to politically connected individuals.

Might be worth just leaving them out of the service entirely. South Africa actually has pretty decent internet in urban areas, and the people in rural areas generally don’t have the money for a $100/month service anyway.

So no big loss from a revenue point of view.

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings outside the United States
« Reply #71 on: 04/22/2021 10:01 am »
Yep. South Africa has pretty extreme black ownership laws. Essentially a percentage of the company has to be given away for no value add - often to politically connected individuals.

The legislation encourages broader ownership and there has been a lot of focus on corruption in this area, which is why giving it to a community NGO would be an astute move.

I don't disagree that it's probably not worth the hassle though.

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings outside the United States
« Reply #72 on: 04/22/2021 03:12 pm »
Might be worth just leaving them out of the service entirely. South Africa actually has pretty decent internet in urban areas, and the people in rural areas generally don’t have the money for a $100/month service anyway.
So no big loss from a revenue point of view.
That's no more true than the last 50 times someone said it. A Starlink terminal doesn't have to be for one person. A $40 wifi 9db omni could easily cover a small village.
 And not everyone bases their lives on maximum revenue.
« Last Edit: 04/22/2021 04:40 pm by Nomadd »
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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings outside the United States
« Reply #73 on: 04/22/2021 03:44 pm »
Might be worth just leaving them out of the service entirely. South Africa actually has pretty decent internet in urban areas, and the people in rural areas generally don’t have the money for a $100/month service anyway.
So no big loss from a revenue point of view.
That's no less true than the last 50 times someone said it. A Starlink terminal doesn't have to be for one person. A $40 wifi 9db omni could easily cover a small village.
 And not everyone bases their lives on maximum revenue.

Agree.  Leave it to the locals to figure it out.  Plenty of WISP providers (and customers) in far-removed locations would likely take that $100/mo if a community of hundreds of individuals could get anything close to 1Mbs for close to $1-2/mo.  Think of a situation where there are outlying communities with little-no access.  So maybe you have a community access location (e.g., library) with reasonably high speed access (~100Mbs) which might also provide a community WISP service to down-stream locations or individuals (~1-2Mbps).  That would be a godsend to many in the world.

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings outside the United States
« Reply #74 on: 04/22/2021 03:50 pm »
Might be worth just leaving them out of the service entirely. South Africa actually has pretty decent internet in urban areas, and the people in rural areas generally don’t have the money for a $100/month service anyway.
So no big loss from a revenue point of view.
That's no less true than the last 50 times someone said it. A Starlink terminal doesn't have to be for one person. A $40 wifi 9db omni could easily cover a small village.
 And not everyone bases their lives on maximum revenue.

Starlink still has to make a buck, and as we've seen with Tesla, Elon's businesses pursue profitability fairly ruthlessly with very high costs for different options, or even the licenses to turn on stuff that's already built into the car through software. Not every Starlink customer has to have their own dish, sure, but if there aren't enough people to buy dishes, it may end up, rather literally, being more trouble than its worth for the time being.

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings outside the United States
« Reply #75 on: 04/22/2021 04:16 pm »
Starlink still has to make a buck, and as we've seen with Tesla, Elon's businesses pursue profitability fairly ruthlessly with very high costs for different options, or even the licenses to turn on stuff that's already built into the car through software. Not every Starlink customer has to have their own dish, sure, but if there aren't enough people to buy dishes, it may end up, rather literally, being more trouble than its worth for the time being.

Sure.  So let's take a few billion potential consumers and reduce by three orders of magnitude... still leaves you with a few million--and that is only those with direct access.

And do you mean by "...but if there aren't enough people to buy dishes, it may end up, rather literally, being more trouble than its worth for the time being."?

Those who want-need direct access and associated bandwidth will pay for it.  Those who do not will likely go through community-WISP providers.

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings outside the United States
« Reply #76 on: 04/28/2021 03:32 pm »
Testing in Ireland by one of Ireland's famous entrepreneurs.  Apparently, they don't have full landing rights yet.

https://twitter.com/collision/status/1387406756880412676

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings outside the United States
« Reply #77 on: 05/12/2021 02:07 pm »
Elon Musk seeks NCC’s approval to operate SpaceX Starlink satellite broadband in Nigeria

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American space company,  Space Exploration Technologies, SpaceX, has expressed interest to bring its Starlink satellite internet into Nigeria.

The company has already entered into advanced discussions with the Nigerian Communications Commission, NCC, to ensure the move cascades into a successful technology transfer project.

Starlink’s Market Access Director for Africa, Ryan Goodnight along with SpaceX consultant, Levin Born paid a visit to the NCC where they expressed interest to obtain a licence to operate the satellite internet in the country.

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings outside the United States
« Reply #78 on: 05/27/2021 10:19 pm »
Maldives Minister of Technology forced to take to Twitter to say that the government will not block Starlink after cutting a backroom deal with local ISPs to set prices and stifle competition.

https://twitter.com/anuahsa/status/1397812762592514051

Amazingly, Starlink appears to have compelling pricing there.

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Re: Starlink : Regulatory Filings outside the United States
« Reply #79 on: 06/27/2021 05:04 am »
Approved in Mexico: https://www.eleconomista.com.mx/empresas/Elon-Musk-ya-tiene-el-permiso-para-vender-Internet-en-Mexico-a-traves-de-Starlink-20210623-0084.html

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The American businessman Elon Musk obtained the official permit with which he can sell satellite wireless Internet products in Mexico through the Starlink brand , which in this country is managed by the company Starlink Satellite Systems México, S. de RL de CV

This company, recently established before the tax authorities, processed the corresponding permit with the Federal Telecommunications Institute ( IFT ) and that authority gave it an enabling title known as "authorization" to send and receive satellite signals to and from foreign satellites. with coverage in Mexico.

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