Quote from: docmordrid on 01/14/2019 10:50 pmQuote from: RobLynn on 01/14/2019 10:04 pmSpaceX will need water access for big stuff at Boca Chica - they must have plans for a pier and possibly breakwater at coast of end of Boca Chica Blvd next to their facility.>Covered; a road is to be built between the harbor and Highway 4, which runs next to the SpaceX facilities. Link... Not by June. They might make it down 511. There are about 40 power lines crossing the road, but all low voltage. It would just take a little work on the corner lot to cut the corner onto Hwy 4. As with a lot of things, people tend to greatly underestimate what a pier would entail here.
Quote from: RobLynn on 01/14/2019 10:04 pmSpaceX will need water access for big stuff at Boca Chica - they must have plans for a pier and possibly breakwater at coast of end of Boca Chica Blvd next to their facility.>Covered; a road is to be built between the harbor and Highway 4, which runs next to the SpaceX facilities. Link...
SpaceX will need water access for big stuff at Boca Chica - they must have plans for a pier and possibly breakwater at coast of end of Boca Chica Blvd next to their facility.>
Companies that move large infrastructure, construct temporary landings, and use barges and pontoons to ferry their fare.
Quote from: Nomadd on 01/14/2019 11:04 pmQuote from: docmordrid on 01/14/2019 10:50 pmQuote from: RobLynn on 01/14/2019 10:04 pmSpaceX will need water access for big stuff at Boca Chica - they must have plans for a pier and possibly breakwater at coast of end of Boca Chica Blvd next to their facility.>Covered; a road is to be built between the harbor and Highway 4, which runs next to the SpaceX facilities. Link... Not by June. They might make it down 511. There are about 40 power lines crossing the road, but all low voltage. It would just take a little work on the corner lot to cut the corner onto Hwy 4. As with a lot of things, people tend to greatly underestimate what a pier would entail here.Companies that move large infrastructure, construct temporary landings, and use barges and pontoons to ferry their fare. I was thinking they could transport a complete SS prototype assuming it was horizontal, on a barge and literally dry it out on the beach between tides. A temporary roadway of heavy timbers and steel sheet would be laid down used and removed between tides to drive an SPMT vehicle carrying the SS onto the road.However this would be expensive.... but SX has the drone ships, with positioning thrusters.... Would EM decide SX could do this themselves on the cheap? Even if the drone ships are not suitable, a barge must be easy to acquire. SX are familiar with tugs etc.
Quote from: DistantTemple on 01/15/2019 12:14 amCompanies that move large infrastructure, construct temporary landings, and use barges and pontoons to ferry their fare.Why not just rent a hovercraft?
Quote from: envy887 on 01/14/2019 10:32 pmQuote from: IntoTheVoid on 01/14/2019 10:06 pmQuote from: tenkendojo on 01/14/2019 10:00 pmQuote from: Johnnyhinbos on 01/14/2019 08:44 pmOne large issue from the perspective of anything being build of the BFR scale away from Boca Chick is how does it get to the site. Nomadd, could you weigh in if the existing roadways from the Port of Brownsville could accommodate a 9m diameter object - possibly with some temporary power line removal, etc, or is it not realistic without the new roadway? If not realistic then don't count on seeing a higher fidelity craft showing up before that roadway has been built...The Orbital testing version of BFR/Starship will be launched from Cape Canaveral, and will most likely use the same method as transporting the Saturn V components, via sea barges.Welcome, but...That is your highly speculative opinion and should be labeled as such. Unless you're an insider, which has not been established.That is where SpaceX has shown it launching from, in both 2016 and 2017 archeticture animations, and in the dearmoon presentation. The dearmoon flight plan graphic shows launch from Florida. Any other launch site is highly speculative. The Cape is the only one we know for sure that SpaceX is thinking about using.Actually, at about 1:19 in the DearMoon presentation he specifically says that they haven't decided on where the first orbital launches will be from. And the only specific mention he makes at that time is of a floating platform, without specifying where that platform might or might not be located.
Quote from: IntoTheVoid on 01/14/2019 10:06 pmQuote from: tenkendojo on 01/14/2019 10:00 pmQuote from: Johnnyhinbos on 01/14/2019 08:44 pmOne large issue from the perspective of anything being build of the BFR scale away from Boca Chick is how does it get to the site. Nomadd, could you weigh in if the existing roadways from the Port of Brownsville could accommodate a 9m diameter object - possibly with some temporary power line removal, etc, or is it not realistic without the new roadway? If not realistic then don't count on seeing a higher fidelity craft showing up before that roadway has been built...The Orbital testing version of BFR/Starship will be launched from Cape Canaveral, and will most likely use the same method as transporting the Saturn V components, via sea barges.Welcome, but...That is your highly speculative opinion and should be labeled as such. Unless you're an insider, which has not been established.That is where SpaceX has shown it launching from, in both 2016 and 2017 archeticture animations, and in the dearmoon presentation. The dearmoon flight plan graphic shows launch from Florida. Any other launch site is highly speculative. The Cape is the only one we know for sure that SpaceX is thinking about using.
Quote from: tenkendojo on 01/14/2019 10:00 pmQuote from: Johnnyhinbos on 01/14/2019 08:44 pmOne large issue from the perspective of anything being build of the BFR scale away from Boca Chick is how does it get to the site. Nomadd, could you weigh in if the existing roadways from the Port of Brownsville could accommodate a 9m diameter object - possibly with some temporary power line removal, etc, or is it not realistic without the new roadway? If not realistic then don't count on seeing a higher fidelity craft showing up before that roadway has been built...The Orbital testing version of BFR/Starship will be launched from Cape Canaveral, and will most likely use the same method as transporting the Saturn V components, via sea barges.Welcome, but...That is your highly speculative opinion and should be labeled as such. Unless you're an insider, which has not been established.
Quote from: Johnnyhinbos on 01/14/2019 08:44 pmOne large issue from the perspective of anything being build of the BFR scale away from Boca Chick is how does it get to the site. Nomadd, could you weigh in if the existing roadways from the Port of Brownsville could accommodate a 9m diameter object - possibly with some temporary power line removal, etc, or is it not realistic without the new roadway? If not realistic then don't count on seeing a higher fidelity craft showing up before that roadway has been built...The Orbital testing version of BFR/Starship will be launched from Cape Canaveral, and will most likely use the same method as transporting the Saturn V components, via sea barges.
One large issue from the perspective of anything being build of the BFR scale away from Boca Chick is how does it get to the site. Nomadd, could you weigh in if the existing roadways from the Port of Brownsville could accommodate a 9m diameter object - possibly with some temporary power line removal, etc, or is it not realistic without the new roadway? If not realistic then don't count on seeing a higher fidelity craft showing up before that roadway has been built...
Quote from: IntoTheVoid on 01/14/2019 11:45 pmQuote from: envy887 on 01/14/2019 10:32 pmAny other launch site is highly speculative. The Cape is the only one we know for sure that SpaceX is thinking about using.Actually, at about 1:19 in the DearMoon presentation he specifically says that they haven't decided on where the first orbital launches will be from. And the only specific mention he makes at that time is of a floating platform, without specifying where that platform might or might not be located. Yes, that is consistent with what I said.
Quote from: envy887 on 01/14/2019 10:32 pmAny other launch site is highly speculative. The Cape is the only one we know for sure that SpaceX is thinking about using.Actually, at about 1:19 in the DearMoon presentation he specifically says that they haven't decided on where the first orbital launches will be from. And the only specific mention he makes at that time is of a floating platform, without specifying where that platform might or might not be located.
Any other launch site is highly speculative. The Cape is the only one we know for sure that SpaceX is thinking about using.
Looking later picture and Videos I starting to have doubts about this Starhopper purpose1. it's not build by SpaceX it self, but by a company that build Water-towers 2. Starhopper is build right next to Mission control center at Boca Chica, too close for flight test3. were is the launch-pad, fuel tanks and landing-pad for that thing ? 4. this thing stand dangerous close to town of Boca Chica for start and landingPersonal i think Starhopper is merely a water-tower with capacity of 1600 m^3 at Mission control and Elon Musk is mess around with fandom...
Pet peeve, people keep talking about "tanks" being "installed inside". That big shiny thing you see in front of you, that is the tanks. Those big dome things, they're bits that separate the propellants and stop them from falling out the bottom. I wouldn't be surprised if those engines we can see are what will get this monster off the ground, too.
Well if they install the tanks bulkheads before getting the new engines that will be illuminating. Not sure how easy it will be to work on it while it's vertical, they are so used to horizontal work on F9s.
I know it is not the best photo but I caught it being moved.
Quote from: bocachicagal on 01/15/2019 04:04 pmI know it is not the best photo but I caught it being moved.So they picked up a scissor lift and are moving it somewhere. Typically for external stuff they've used boom lifts, so it's a bit odd they are craning around a scissor lift. BocaChicaGal, did you see where they dropped it?
Quote from: Johnnyhinbos on 01/15/2019 04:13 pmQuote from: bocachicagal on 01/15/2019 04:04 pmI know it is not the best photo but I caught it being moved.So they picked up a scissor lift and are moving it somewhere. Typically for external stuff they've used boom lifts, so it's a bit odd they are craning around a scissor lift. BocaChicaGal, did you see where they dropped it?I did not see where they set it down as I was too far away. I can visually see one inside the concrete base. Looks like the Hopper is being separated.