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Re: Southern Launch
« Reply #200 on: 08/26/2022 06:55 am »
Huh, I expected you to call out the fact that they're launching and hopefully recovering over land and how bad of a look that is for all involved like you did in the ELA/Wallops thread?  :-[


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Re: Southern Launch
« Reply #201 on: 08/26/2022 06:58 am »
maybe this is still applicable though?
... but yes, my concern has always been more for the safety of life and property under the flight path of some errant missile fragment than for somebody's toy rocket going up in smoke. Refer my sig.

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Re: Southern Launch
« Reply #202 on: 08/26/2022 07:47 am »
Well, I'm sorry to disappoint you PL, but one key difference in approach is that launch and recover over land is what the KTR is designed (and approved by ASA under the terms of SL's Commercial Launch License) to do.  That's the WPA at the northern extents - not other people's houses and land.
 
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With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine - however, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are
going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

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Re: Southern Launch
« Reply #203 on: 08/29/2022 01:53 am »
I think what confuses me is that ELA/NSRP would most likely have had to go through the same processes and approvals to launch. And yet you seem to think this is an apples to oranges situation. Please correct me if I'm wrong but given ELA had spent two years working on launch approval I doubt this wasn't covered off.

Also, assuming successful launch, will the boosted dart even reach WPA, or will if fall short where the checks notes Trans Australian Railway resides?

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Re: Southern Launch
« Reply #204 on: 08/29/2022 05:12 am »
I think what confuses me is that ELA/NSRP would most likely have had to go through the same processes and approvals to launch. And yet you seem to think this is an apples to oranges situation. Please correct me if I'm wrong but given ELA had spent two years working on launch approval I doubt this wasn't covered off. 

Since both ELA's name and their own videos stating "Launching from the Arnhem Space Centre takes full advantage of the Earth's rotation to gain extra velocity" implied launching eastwards (over water), I for one, was somewhat surprised to hear they were launching in another direction entirely and over inhabited country to boot.  The ELA discussion is here: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=44145.0

Southern Launch have always been up front with their launch boundaries - so apples and oranges it is.

Also, assuming successful launch, will the boosted dart even reach WPA, or will if fall short where the checks notes Trans Australian Railway resides?

No idea.. but I doubt they'll be running trains through there during the launch, just as they won't be flying planes overhead.  I mean, it's not like they haven't done this before already.  ::)
« Last Edit: 08/29/2022 05:18 am by CameronD »
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine - however, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are
going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

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Re: Southern Launch
« Reply #205 on: 08/29/2022 07:12 am »
Lol, so you make assumptions from media statements and then apply those assumptions as fact and then chastise them in the other thread for your misunderstandings. Sure, that's rational.

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I mean, it's not like they haven't done this before already.  ::)

Let's hope this time it's successful.  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Southern Launch
« Reply #206 on: 08/30/2022 12:13 am »
Let's hope this time it's successful.  ;D ;D ;D

Perhaps you have not been following along? ???
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=46926.msg2133987#msg2133987   
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With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine - however, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are
going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

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Re: Southern Launch
« Reply #207 on: 08/30/2022 04:09 am »
And here's the NOTAM for today:

MELBOURNE FIR (YMMM)
                                                   C1207/22 REVIEW C1197/22
    TEMPO RESTRICTED AREA ACT
    DUE ROCKET LAUNCHING ACTIVITY (NON-FLYING) WI AREA BOUNDED BY:
    315816.3S 1332252.5E - 315817.7S 1333045.0E - 315252.1S 1333336.5E
    314802.1S 1333018.0E - 314802.1S 1332348.1E - 315230.3S 1332012.4E
    315816.3S 1332252.5E
    NO FLIGHT PERMITTED WITHOUT APPROVAL OF CONTROLLING AUTHORITY
    SOUTHERN LAUNCH CTC TEL: 0147 182 683 (SAT PHONE, DUTY OFFICER) OR
    0404 471 071 (MOBILE, AREA CONTROLLER)
    SFC TO UNL
    FROM 08 292330 TO 08 300830

                                                   C1206/22 REVIEW C1204/22
    TEMPO RESTRICTED AREA ACT
    DUE ROCKET LAUNCHING ACTIVITY WI AREA BOUNDED BY:
    315230.3S 1332012.4E - 312639.1S 1330333.1E - 310955.4S 1331347.6E
    310955.4S 1333906.8E - 312636.6S 1335016.4E - 315252.1S 1333336.5E
    314802.1S 1333018.0E - 314802.1S 1332348.1E - 315230.3S 1332012.4E
    NO FLIGHT PERMITTED WITHOUT APPROVAL OF CONTROLLING AUTHORITY
    AIRSERVICES AUSTRALIA CTC TEL: (03) 9235 7420
    SFC TO UNL
    FROM 08 300200 TO 08 300830

With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine - however, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are
going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

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Re: Southern Launch
« Reply #208 on: 08/30/2022 05:54 am »
Next up are two launches from Koonibba carrying TED-03 and VE2NOM. DLR launching in 2024. Eight launches in 2023. Launch window is from 9 am to 6 pm local today, 30 August.
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Re: Southern Launch
« Reply #209 on: 08/30/2022 05:59 am »
Here's the Press Kit for today's launches.
Akin's Laws of Spacecraft Design #1:  Engineering is done with numbers.  Analysis without numbers is only an opinion.

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Re: Southern Launch
« Reply #210 on: 08/31/2022 06:57 am »
Let's hope this time it's successful.  ;D ;D ;D

Perhaps you have not been following along? ???
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=46926.msg2133987#msg2133987

If successfully lighting a solid motor (on your second attempt no less) equalled a successful space launch I would have beat them to the punch over a decade ago. But we both know that no flight data was shared and the NASA SRP has been recognised as the first successful rocket launch to space from Australia since 1995 when the NASA SRP launched from Woomera.

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Re: Southern Launch
« Reply #211 on: 09/03/2022 06:45 am »
T-Minus Engineering DART launch from Koonibba failed; does anyone have the exact launch time?

Southern Launch continues to expand capabilities at Koonibba Test Range with the support of the Koonibba Aboriginal community
[dated Sept. 2]

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The T-Minus Engineering DART rocket suffered an anomaly during lift off and did not reach the expected speed or altitude. Following an investigation into the fault it was decided to not attempt a launch of a second vehicle.

Southern Launch CEO Lloyd Damp said, ‘Our customer’s rocket suffered a small anomaly following the ignition sequence and did not take off as expected. Southern Launch staff enacted their training and responded to the situation in a safe and rapid manner. We thank the Koonibba Community Aboriginal Corporation and the wider Koonibba and Ceduna communities for their ongoing support of the Koonibba Test Range.’

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Re: Southern Launch
« Reply #212 on: 09/04/2022 06:16 am »
That's a bit of bad luck for Southern Launch. That's the third failure in a row for the T-Minus Engineering DART.

https://www.t-minus.nl/space
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Re: Southern Launch
« Reply #213 on: 09/04/2022 11:52 pm »
That's a bit of bad luck for Southern Launch. That's the third failure in a row for the T-Minus Engineering DART.

Yes.. but it sounds like it wasn't a complete waste of time and money.  From SL's news article:
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Our team has tested new range equipment and gained great experience and knowledge from this latest mission that we’ll apply to the upcoming launches from the Whalers Way Orbital Launch Complex

I guess the VS-02/Kestrel 1 mission is next?
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going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

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Re: Southern Launch
« Reply #214 on: 09/05/2022 06:41 am »
I guess the VS-02/Kestrel 1 mission is next?

They might want to fly the second TED-03/VE2NOM mission first.
« Last Edit: 09/09/2022 03:29 am by Steven Pietrobon »
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Re: Southern Launch
« Reply #215 on: 09/09/2022 03:31 am »
The latest Southern Launch newsletter indicates that the first TED-03/VE2NOM launch was on 30 August.

https://mailchi.mp/4d602f0121e7/out-to-launch-august

"Unfavourable weather conditions meant a couple of days waiting for a front to pass before we were go for launch on August 30. Unfortunately, our customer's rocket suffered an anomaly during lift-off and didn't reach the expected speed or altitude...the trials and tribulations of launching rockets!"
« Last Edit: 09/09/2022 03:34 am by Steven Pietrobon »
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Re: Southern Launch
« Reply #216 on: 09/09/2022 03:39 am »
The latest Southern Launch newsletter indicates that the first TED-03/VE2NOM launch was on 30 August.

https://mailchi.mp/4d602f0121e7/out-to-launch-august

"Unfavourable weather conditions meant a couple of days waiting for a front to pass before we were go for launch on August 30. Unfortunately, our customer's rocket suffered an anomaly during lift-off and didn't reach the expected speed or altitude...the trials and tribulations of launching rockets!"

That sounds to me like the LV provider has some work to do and I feel bad for the team at Southern Launch :'(  Hopefully the upcoming ATSpace re-try will go better?

ISTM that space is hard enough that finding a customer with a rocket far enough down the development path enough to launch on the first try is a challenge indeed (SLS anyone?).
 
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With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine - however, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are
going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

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Re: Southern Launch
« Reply #217 on: 10/04/2022 04:02 am »
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US Space Command...it's Southern Launch.[/b]

Proud to announce that we are the first commercial launch provider in Australia to enter a sharing agreement with the United States Space Command.

Under the agreement, we will notify the United States Space Command ahead of launches to identify launch windows that ensure launch vehicles avoid space objects in orbit.

It's another way Southern Launch is paving the way for Australia to be a responsible user of space.

https://indaily.com.au/news/2022/09/29/sa-based-company-launches-agreement-with-us-space-command/
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With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine - however, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are
going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

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Re: Southern Launch
« Reply #218 on: 10/04/2022 06:05 am »
Perhaps you have not been following along? ???
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=46926.msg2133987#msg2133987

That's a bit of bad luck for Southern Launch. That's the third failure in a row for the T-Minus Engineering DART.

Yes..

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Re: Southern Launch
« Reply #219 on: 10/20/2022 11:28 pm »
From LinkedIn:  Our team has been working hard to implement measures that ensure public safety ahead of our launch from the Whalers Way Orbital Launch Complex next month.

MISSION NAME: ECO TEST - VS03

This is the next launch attempt of ATSpace's Hapith/Kestrel 1 vehicle from the WWOLC Temporary Launch Facility

https://www.southernlaunch.space/upcoming-missions
 
« Last Edit: 10/20/2022 11:29 pm by CameronD »
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine - however, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are
going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

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