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Re: Bigelow Aerospace Update and Discussion Thread (4)
« Reply #20 on: 04/09/2019 10:08 pm »
NASA's NextSTEP-2 consists of several projects it called Appendixes.
Appendix A - ground prototypes for habitats including the Bigelow inflatable
Appendix B - ISRU FabLab
Appendix E - lunar lander descend element and transfer stage
Appendix H - lunar lander ascend element including cabin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Space_Technologies_for_Exploration_Partnerships#Habitation_systems

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Re: Bigelow Aerospace Update and Discussion Thread (4)
« Reply #21 on: 04/10/2019 06:33 am »
I have hoped that Bigelow would do well, they have good proven technology that is useful and have plans to take one of the next milestones of expanding into space: commercial space stations.
LOL - I see what you did there...

New company tag line: “Bigelow, we’re expanding into space.“
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Re: Bigelow Aerospace Update and Discussion Thread (4)
« Reply #22 on: 04/11/2019 02:28 am »
Or maybe, "Bigelow: We're big-in-low earth orbit!"

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Re: Bigelow Aerospace Update and Discussion Thread (4)
« Reply #23 on: 05/28/2019 04:35 pm »
NASA has published a slide deck on commercialization of LEO.

Bigelow is nowhere to be found....
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1133390325249134592

For a company that pitches themselves as building space stations they sure aren't doing a very good job of finding potential customers...


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Re: Bigelow Aerospace Update and Discussion Thread (4)
« Reply #25 on: 05/28/2019 08:53 pm »
NASA has published a slide deck on commercialization of LEO.

Bigelow is nowhere to be found....
This appears to be the results of this NASA contract:
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-invests-in-concepts-for-a-vibrant-future-commercial-space-economy

Bigelow was given an award, yet it is the only one missing from the results package. All 12 of the others are present in the package.

Contracts were for max $1 million a piece.

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Re: Bigelow Aerospace Update and Discussion Thread (4)
« Reply #26 on: 05/31/2019 03:54 pm »
NASA has published a slide deck on commercialization of LEO.

Bigelow is nowhere to be found....
This appears to be the results of this NASA contract:
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-invests-in-concepts-for-a-vibrant-future-commercial-space-economy

Bigelow was given an award, yet it is the only one missing from the results package. All 12 of the others are present in the package.

Contracts were for max $1 million a piece.

Space News has a little info on this:

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The 13th company, Bigelow Aerospace, “respectfully withdrew their proposal submission” after that announcement, NASA spokesperson Stephanie Schierholz said.

Blair Bigelow, vice president of corporate strategy at Bigelow Aerospace and Bigelow Space Operations, said May 30 that the company decided to withdraw its study proposal “in return for pursuing something else that was very important to both NASA and ourselves.” She did not elaborate on what the alternative opportunity was. 

https://spacenews.com/leo-commercialization-studies-show-wide-range-of-markets-and-demand/

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Re: Bigelow Aerospace Update and Discussion Thread (4)
« Reply #27 on: 05/31/2019 09:44 pm »

Space News has a little info on this:

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The 13th company, Bigelow Aerospace, “respectfully withdrew their proposal submission” after that announcement, NASA spokesperson Stephanie Schierholz said.

Blair Bigelow, vice president of corporate strategy at Bigelow Aerospace and Bigelow Space Operations, said May 30 that the company decided to withdraw its study proposal “in return for pursuing something else that was very important to both NASA and ourselves.” She did not elaborate on what the alternative opportunity was. 

https://spacenews.com/leo-commercialization-studies-show-wide-range-of-markets-and-demand/

I wonder what that could be?
Lunar base habitat?
Living quarters on a space station?
Living quarters on a Mars Transfer Vehicle?

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Re: Bigelow Aerospace Update and Discussion Thread (4)
« Reply #28 on: 06/01/2019 12:17 am »

Space News has a little info on this:

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The 13th company, Bigelow Aerospace, “respectfully withdrew their proposal submission” after that announcement, NASA spokesperson Stephanie Schierholz said.

Blair Bigelow, vice president of corporate strategy at Bigelow Aerospace and Bigelow Space Operations, said May 30 that the company decided to withdraw its study proposal “in return for pursuing something else that was very important to both NASA and ourselves.” She did not elaborate on what the alternative opportunity was. 

https://spacenews.com/leo-commercialization-studies-show-wide-range-of-markets-and-demand/

I wonder what that could be?
Lunar base habitat?
Living quarters on a space station?
Living quarters on a Mars Transfer Vehicle?

Could be Bigelow's XBASE concept. It's a B330 attached to ISS.

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Re: Bigelow Aerospace Update and Discussion Thread (4)
« Reply #29 on: 06/01/2019 05:16 am »

Space News has a little info on this:

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The 13th company, Bigelow Aerospace, “respectfully withdrew their proposal submission” after that announcement, NASA spokesperson Stephanie Schierholz said.

Blair Bigelow, vice president of corporate strategy at Bigelow Aerospace and Bigelow Space Operations, said May 30 that the company decided to withdraw its study proposal “in return for pursuing something else that was very important to both NASA and ourselves.” She did not elaborate on what the alternative opportunity was. 

https://spacenews.com/leo-commercialization-studies-show-wide-range-of-markets-and-demand/

I wonder what that could be?
Lunar base habitat?
Living quarters on a space station?
Living quarters on a Mars Transfer Vehicle?

Could be Bigelow's XBASE concept. It's a B330 attached to ISS.

But why do they need to withdrew their proposal if they want to do XBASE? Several other proposals also have modules attached to the ISS first before going independent.

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Re: Bigelow Aerospace Update and Discussion Thread (4)
« Reply #30 on: 06/01/2019 02:09 pm »

Space News has a little info on this:

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The 13th company, Bigelow Aerospace, “respectfully withdrew their proposal submission” after that announcement, NASA spokesperson Stephanie Schierholz said.

Blair Bigelow, vice president of corporate strategy at Bigelow Aerospace and Bigelow Space Operations, said May 30 that the company decided to withdraw its study proposal “in return for pursuing something else that was very important to both NASA and ourselves.” She did not elaborate on what the alternative opportunity was. 

https://spacenews.com/leo-commercialization-studies-show-wide-range-of-markets-and-demand/

I wonder what that could be?
Lunar base habitat?
Living quarters on a space station?
Living quarters on a Mars Transfer Vehicle?

Could be Bigelow's XBASE concept. It's a B330 attached to ISS.

But why do they need to withdrew their proposal if they want to do XBASE? Several other proposals also have modules attached to the ISS first before going independent.

Who knows, I'm just guessing. They could be selling a B330 to NASA instead of following the commercialization study.

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Re: Bigelow Aerospace Update and Discussion Thread (4)
« Reply #31 on: 06/01/2019 02:22 pm »
Bigelow Space Operations was formed for the purpose of studying demand etc: https://www.bigelowspaceops.com/press/press_021418.php

The commercial study would seem like a great way to get paid to do this?
My bet is that RB got paranoid that their participation is going to give away some kind of trade secrets and master plan. Or he's chasing UFOs... Either way I have zero faith in this company following through on any of their big ideas.

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Re: Bigelow Aerospace Update and Discussion Thread (4)
« Reply #32 on: 06/01/2019 02:44 pm »
Bigelow Space Operations was formed for the purpose of studying demand etc: https://www.bigelowspaceops.com/press/press_021418.php

The commercial study would seem like a great way to get paid to do this?
My bet is that RB got paranoid that their participation is going to give away some kind of trade secrets and master plan. Or he's chasing UFOs... Either way I have zero faith in this company following through on any of their big ideas.
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With the two launches of B330-1 and B330-2 expected in 2021,...
Really
Within the next 17 months...
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Re: Bigelow Aerospace Update and Discussion Thread (4)
« Reply #33 on: 06/01/2019 03:10 pm »

But why do they need to withdrew their proposal if they want to do XBASE? Several other proposals also have modules attached to the ISS first before going independent.

B330 mass 23 tonne plus a second launch of several tons of furniture and fittings. Most LOP-G modules mass around 10 tonnes. I wonder if Bigelow has been told, informally, that XBASE with its extra large fairing is too heavy for high energy orbits such as the one used by the Gateway?

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Re: Bigelow Aerospace Update and Discussion Thread (4)
« Reply #34 on: 06/01/2019 05:40 pm »
B330 mass 23 tonne plus a second launch of several tons of furniture and fittings. Most LOP-G modules mass around 10 tonnes. I wonder if Bigelow has been told, informally, that XBASE with its extra large fairing is too heavy for high energy orbits such as the one used by the Gateway?

No, its still easily within the capabilities of the distributed lift architecture with Vulcan (which they had previously baselined)

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Re: Bigelow Aerospace Update and Discussion Thread (4)
« Reply #35 on: 06/01/2019 11:33 pm »
Those Glassdoor reviews - oh dear!!!

Maybe we won't be seeing any sort of inflatable hab from Bigelow then?

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Re: Bigelow Aerospace Update and Discussion Thread (4)
« Reply #36 on: 06/03/2019 04:38 pm »
https://twitter.com/BigelowSpace/status/1135583105924755456

https://twitter.com/BigelowSpace/status/1135583452961464320

Details on how it actually gets to the surface not provided...

The only 2 vehicles that could come close to making this happen are XEUS and Starship.  XEUS is shelved, I think since I don't know what Masten is proposing for a lander now. Inflatables really have a minimal benefit with Starship, with the cargo door openings not being super well definded right now.

This looks cool and all but it doesn't have me excited. Seems like a product that is way ahead of the potential market and a distraction from Bigelow growong and developing as a legitimate company.

EDIT: wait looks like tanks and engines on 2 modules....
So the intent is a modular assembled habitat/lander?
« Last Edit: 06/03/2019 04:54 pm by GWH »

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Re: Bigelow Aerospace Update and Discussion Thread (4)
« Reply #37 on: 06/03/2019 05:19 pm »
more photos:

https://bigelowaerospace.com/pages/firstbase/

edit: two main engines, with two modules with similarly sized fuel tanks. Implies either methalox or hypergolics I guess.

edit 2:Actually, pixel measuring suggests a tank volume ratio of ~3:1. So, looks like hydrolox. BE-7?
« Last Edit: 06/03/2019 05:34 pm by ncb1397 »

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Re: Bigelow Aerospace Update and Discussion Thread (4)
« Reply #38 on: 06/03/2019 05:59 pm »
more photos:

https://bigelowaerospace.com/pages/firstbase/

edit: two main engines, with two modules with similarly sized fuel tanks. Implies either methalox or hypergolics I guess.

edit 2:Actually, pixel measuring suggests a tank volume ratio of ~3:1. So, looks like hydrolox. BE-7?

I am glad to see they are recruiting ECLSS staff. It is difficult to live in a cold and airless Moon base.

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Re: Bigelow Aerospace Update and Discussion Thread (4)
« Reply #39 on: 06/04/2019 06:54 am »
Is it a left and right propulsion pack essentially hung off the hatch structures though?

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