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Title: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: sanman on 05/26/2022 07:43 pm
Andor is another series set in the Star Wars universe, spun off from the Rogue One movie and based on rebel hero Cassian Andor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5UX1Adanis
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: Tomness on 05/26/2022 08:34 pm
Looks so good. Mon Mantha Chef's Kiss
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: sanman on 05/26/2022 09:23 pm
Looks so good. Mon Mantha Chef's Kiss

Yes, Mon Mothma is played by Genevieve O'Reilly, reprising her role from Rogue One and various other animated Star Wars shows.
Tony Gilmore, who wrote the screenplay for Rogue One, is also doing the writing for this series.

Diego Luna is the titular Cassian Andor.
Stellan Skarsgard is playing a rebel leader called Luthen Ray.

https://twitter.com/newsandor/status/1529894006594973712


Apparently, the revolution will be televised  ;)
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: catdlr on 05/27/2022 05:38 am
Diego Luna and Genevieve O'Reilly Take The Stage At SWCA 2022 | Star Wars Celebration Live!

https://youtu.be/NMvj8rpvFnM
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: sanman on 08/02/2022 01:27 am
Trailer for Andor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKOegEuCcfw
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: Blackstar on 08/02/2022 02:09 am
They filmed at real locations and not The Void soundstage, which is why it looks so real.
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: sanman on 09/10/2022 11:46 pm
New trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PboKpnin_Wg
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: sanman on 09/23/2022 02:35 am
I don't know if anyone has yet had a chance to see the first few episodes of Andor, but I found them pretty gripping and suspenseful. The show has a lot more mature and somber tone than what we're used to from Star Wars, and felt more like it should be on HBOMax, rather than a DisneyPlus offering. (Seeing Stellan Skarsgard in it also made me think of HBO's Chernobyl.) At times I thought I was watching a British police drama, showing us the Empire and its "troubles" before the Battle of Yavin (Episode IV - A New Hope). It looks to be slowly building up into a cloak-&-dagger spy drama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQeabed9N9M

Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: Orbiter on 09/23/2022 02:52 am
This show is definitely different. Feels more like a novel, slowly building up to the actual story.
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: sanman on 09/23/2022 03:19 am
This show is definitely different. Feels more like a novel, slowly building up to the actual story.

Yeah, and since we've seen Rogue One and A New Hope, we can sort of surmise what it may be building towards. And Rogue One (working title: Destroyer of Worlds) is premised on the storyline of James Luceno's novel Catalyst, which is what I'm hoping Andor will mesh with and dive into.

So if we invoke the analogy of a WW2 spy thriller, the Death Star is kind of like a Manhattan Project, totally game-changing because of its sheer destructive power. The Rebellion has nothing to match it.

I really hope we'll get to see the introduction of Galen Erso as the Oppenheimer or Einstein.
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: ccdengr on 09/25/2022 05:06 pm
This made me sign up for Disney+ and it does seem much better to me than the Obi-Wan series, which I also watched a couple of episodes of.

One thing that surprised me: each ANDOR episode is only a little more than half an hour long.  Of course, maybe this encourages them to have less filler and move a bit quicker than OBI-WAN, which seems a bit padded out.
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: sanman on 09/25/2022 05:38 pm
This made me sign up for Disney+ and it does seem much better to me than the Obi-Wan series, which I also watched a couple of episodes of.

One thing that surprised me: each ANDOR episode is only a little more than half an hour long.  Of course, maybe this encourages them to have less filler and move a bit quicker than OBI-WAN, which seems a bit padded out.

Ironically, some critics are complaining that Andor moves too slowly. But it does this while building up suspense, characters, relationships, world-building, etc. This story is more of a slow-burner type of drama that gradually builds up to its fuller head of steam.

But as far as I know, this show has a finite arc of 2 seasons, each consisting of 12 episodes.

In Rogue One, the character of Cassian Andor came across as a sort of Che Guevara of the Rebellion. We're now going to see his journey to become that figure. We're also going to see the moral ambiguities along his path.

This is not the Star Wars your parents grew up with.
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: ccdengr on 09/25/2022 05:56 pm
Ironically, some critics are complaining that Andor moves too slowly.
Since only four episodes have been released to reviewers at this point, I'm not sure how they could tell.  Compared to the first episode of OBI-WAN the first three eps of ANDOR seemed positively meteoric to me; it never dragged.

Obviously (do I have to worry about spoiling ROGUE ONE at this point?) there's only so much time they have to cover since ANDOR starts in 5 BBY (though it has had, and I expect will continue to have a lot of flashbacks.)
Title: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: Star One on 09/25/2022 08:01 pm
Reminded me of Blakeís Seven atmosphere wise, and thatís a compliment, just with a bigger budget and more good actors. One of the best of these new Star Wars shows.
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: sanman on 10/13/2022 01:21 am
Reminded me of Blakeís Seven atmosphere wise, and thatís a compliment, just with a bigger budget and more good actors. One of the best of these new Star Wars shows.

You're quite right, it does have an atmosphere of skulduggery that would make even Avon blush.

The latest episode 6 gave us some good story payoff from the previous episodes, and even reminded me a bit of "Force 10 From Navarone" or "The Dirty Dozen". The Heist Job.

These rebels don't play around -- no wonder Darth Vader shows them no quarter.
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: sanman on 10/13/2022 02:39 am
One small astrophysical nitpick though --
[spoiler]they shouldn't have been able to clear the Eye of Aldhani just by getting free of the atmosphere -- it's a meteor shower, and those meteoroids would still be showering above the atmosphere too.[/spoiler]

Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: sanman on 11/03/2022 06:27 am
"How many guards on each level?"
"Never more than twelve."  >:(

Andy Serkis is killing it.
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: sanman on 11/07/2022 10:03 pm
Captures the essence of the show's theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dnHdHMD7Yk
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: sanman on 11/11/2022 05:16 pm
This has been shaping up into a great series so far

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh2jC-Cwa1I
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: sanman on 11/22/2022 11:51 pm
Someone made a faux retro-style 70s TV intro for Andor. Looks kind of like it could have been a Gerry & Sylvia Anderson production:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9Pccq0DZVc

👌
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: catdlr on 11/23/2022 08:46 am
Great ending for the first season.
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: sanman on 11/23/2022 06:19 pm
Did everyone see the post-credits scene?
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: sanman on 11/24/2022 03:28 am
One thing I didn't realize until it was over was the significance of the title sequence for the show. Previously I'd only noticed that the intro music seemed inconsistent, and varied from episode to episode. But in the end [spoiler]we get to hear all that music assembled and played as the funeral march for Maarva. That makes me think that the show's title "Andor" doesn't necessarily refer to Cassian Andor (played by Diego Luna), but rather refers to his mother Maarva Carassi Andor (played by Fiona Shaw) whose posthumous speech becomes the actual spark for the Rebellion. Or perhaps the title refers to their family name which becomes associated with the fight against the Empire, much like the Skywalkers.[/spoiler]

Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: sanman on 11/24/2022 08:43 pm
So Tony Gilroy has spoken about Season 2, which has just now started filming, and is scheduled for release in 2024.

Season 2 will consist of 12 episodes and will cover the 3-year time period leading up to the events of the Rogue One movie.

It will be split into a sequence of 4 story arcs consisting of 3 episodes each. The story arcs will each span across relatively short time frames, with time skips in between the successive arcs.
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: sanman on 11/24/2022 11:57 pm
One slight change I would've made, is where [spoiler]the imperial officer puts his coat over B2MO sloppily -- I'd have instead had his coat fully covering and blocking Maarva's hologram projection, upon which B2MO immediately responds by moving/rolling, so that the coat immediately falls off, allowing Maarva's final words of "fight them!" to be properly heard by all. That would have been B2MO's own R2-like "brave plucky droid" moment and final homage to his "mom". He could've even used his little electric cattleprod thing that he used to stop the dogs from treating him like a fire hydrant in the first episode.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: catdlr on 11/25/2022 07:59 am
Did everyone see the post-credits scene?

Andor Death Star Post Credits Scene [4K HDR] - Star Wars: Andor

https://youtu.be/W2-1MWCgT6I

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Nov 24, 2022
The final Andor Death Star Post Credits Scene, as seen in Episode 12 finale "Rix Road".

12 episodes from season 1, recut into 2 Extended 4 Hour Film Cuts for the entire season. After many requests, I have decided to proceed with this project. The edits won't be particularly elaborate, but based on the story structure of the season, 2 continuous seamless cuts with Episodes 1-6, and 7-12 respectively should tell this tale rather nicely.

See YouTube comments for link to these cuts. (P.S. Mecha Salesman has all relevant Star Wars content re-done into 4K HDR and 1080P SDR, x265 compression, with color and brightness correction). 
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: sanman on 12/01/2022 05:03 am
Rogue One was a good movie, and its spinoff series Andor has been superb. But Andor isn't going to go beyond Season 2, since we know *SPOILER* he dies.

But Rogue One was premised on the excellent novel Catalyst by James Luceno. What if....

What if the enthusiastic embrace of Andor by delighted hardcore fans gives Disney motivation to then do a big-budget series on Catalyst directly?
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: Star One on 12/01/2022 02:53 pm
Rogue One was a good movie, and its spinoff series Andor has been superb. But Andor isn't going to go beyond Season 2, since we know *SPOILER* he dies.

But Rogue One was premised on the excellent novel Catalyst by James Luceno. What if....

What if the enthusiastic embrace of Andor by delighted hardcore fans gives Disney motivation to then do a big-budget series on Catalyst directly?

Talking about its running length Andor was to my understanding meant to original run for five seasons but somewhere along the development curve got reduced to two seasons.
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: ccdengr on 12/01/2022 04:37 pm
But Rogue One was premised on the excellent novel Catalyst by James Luceno.
Catalyst was written with reference to the shooting script for Rogue One starting in 2015, you sort of imply that Rogue One was based on Catalyst but it was the other way around.  https://www.starwars.com/news/crafting-catalyst-james-luceno-discusses-his-rogue-one-prequel-novel-interview
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: sanman on 12/02/2022 04:34 am
Catalyst was written with reference to the shooting script for Rogue One starting in 2015, you sort of imply that Rogue One was based on Catalyst but it was the other way around.  https://www.starwars.com/news/crafting-catalyst-james-luceno-discusses-his-rogue-one-prequel-novel-interview

Alright, thanks for the correction - but it would still be great to see the Catalyst storyline turned into an actual series, with big-budget production values.
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: FishInferno on 12/02/2022 04:48 am
What if the enthusiastic embrace of Andor by delighted hardcore fans gives Disney motivation to then do a big-budget series on Catalyst directly?

As good as that would be, Star Wars doesn't like adapting books/comics/etc that are already canon. It would just get messy.

I hope they apply the quality of Andor to a story not attached to the current saga. Star Wars needs a clean slate of consistent quality, and starting a new era of stories in the Old Republic for example would free it from fans' over-opinionated baggage.
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: DaveS on 12/02/2022 05:45 am
What if the enthusiastic embrace of Andor by delighted hardcore fans gives Disney motivation to then do a big-budget series on Catalyst directly?

As good as that would be, Star Wars doesn't like adapting books/comics/etc that are already canon. It would just get messy.
Not quite the entire truth as TCW S7 retconned part of the Ashoka novel with the Mandalore Siege arc. And I think that the recently released mini-series Tales Of the Jedi retconned it even more. So, they have already infringed on a previously written and released book. And it was/is cannon under the new Disney Star Wars brand.
Title: Re: Andor (Disney+)
Post by: Skylon on 12/02/2022 12:10 pm
What if the enthusiastic embrace of Andor by delighted hardcore fans gives Disney motivation to then do a big-budget series on Catalyst directly?

As good as that would be, Star Wars doesn't like adapting books/comics/etc that are already canon. It would just get messy.


To clarify, the mess would likely come out of a need to pay the authors royalties. Its one thing to take characters and pluck concepts. A wholesale story adaptation would be different.

Hell, they tried not paying authors for releasing their own books. Disney has licensed printing and sales of Alan Dean Foster's original Star Wars novelization and he wasn't seeing any of the residuals from that.