Author Topic: Soyuz-2-1B launch with Kosmos (Persona) satellite - June 7, 2013  (Read 42390 times)

Online Stan Black

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Originally it had been reported that the Perso
A question which has always puzzled me is whether the design bureau programme name (like Yantar-4K2M) was Persona or whether the Ministry codename (like Kolbalt-M) was Persona.   Can anyone give a definitive answer to this?   Since Persona is used without an attached numerical designator, it would appear to be the Ministry name rather than the design bureau name - in which case what is the design bureau name?

Of course the system of assigning the different design bureau and ministry names might have changed over the years!

My understanding was that only the design bureau name was used until the satellite type was 'adopted into armaments' - but maybe I've misunderstood the system.

In the same sentence from ЦСКБ-Прогресс you find
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Работы по изделиям Лиана, Барс, Персона, Дон ведутся в соответствии с намеченными графиками и заключенными контрактами.
http://www.cosmopark.ru/lib/kir2.htm

However ЛОМО refers to Барс by its instrument Карат
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Предприятием сформирован портфель заказов по основной деятельности до 2013 года на общую сумму около 9 млрд. рублей, состоящий из таких приоритетных проектов для государства, как: Булава, Персона, Карат, Игла-С, Верба и др.
http://www.lomo.ru/site/about/qreport3-11.rtf
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So who is the launch service provider for such a payload? Is it TsSKB-Progress as well?

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There is no "launch services provider".

Space Forces (VKO) need a rocket. They order it to TsSKB, and they launch it with their own facilities, worforce, etc.

Actually, VKO are their own "launch services provider".

Private companies (Intelsat, etc.) use launch services provider because they don't have cosmodroms, rockets, worforce, etc.
VKO have all oh this, so they don't need any launch service provider.
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Persona-2 fails in orbit?

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/persona.html#2_flight

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In July 2013, NII TP design bureau published a press-release stating that Persona No. 2 was undergoing flight testing. The company congratulated its staff with the successful commissioning of the communication gear onboard the satellite. However shortly thereafter, the spacecraft was apparently lost, prompting Russian air and space defense forces, VKO, to take out of retirement a previous-generation Kobalt-M satellite and launch it on May 6, 2014. However, given the short life span of Kobalt-type spacecraft, it would be only a temporary solution to the problem of inadequate high-resolution imaging capabilities available to the Russian military in a midst of the Ukrainian crisis.

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14К031 Persona
Electro-optical reconnaissance satellite
Product: 14Ф137 № 3
Components: ОЭК 17В321, СУ 14М339М, БВС 14М828, 3x БОКЗ-М60, БА МЛСПИ
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1B with 14С738

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МЛСПИ - межспутниковой лазерной системы передачи информации

[translation: Intersatellite laser information transmission system]


Oh! That looks interesting. Any indication what the satellite on the other end of the laser link might be?



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Обеспечение и проведение калибровочных радиационных испытаний электро-радиоизделий иностранного производства, комплектующих аппаратуру МЛСПИ изделия 14Ф137 N 2
http://www.socionet.ru

Looks like this one too featured a LASER communications system?

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So is this satellite alive and healthy?

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Of the five images of Eastern Ukraine published by Russian Ministry of Defense on July 21, two were made by Persona and other three by Resurs-P №1. It follows from the dates and times of images which correspond to high passes of the two satellites.
« Last Edit: 08/03/2014 08:46 pm by Liss »
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Of the five images of Eastern Ukraine published by Russian Ministry of Defense on July 17, two were made by Persona and other three by Resurs-P №1. It follows from the dates and times of images which correspond to high passes of the two satellites.

Are these images available online, Igor?
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Of the five images of Eastern Ukraine published by Russian Ministry of Defense on July 17, two were made by Persona and other three by Resurs-P №1. It follows from the dates and times of images which correspond to high passes of the two satellites.

Are these images available online, Igor?

The pictures shown during the press conference are available on the website of the Russian Ministry of Defense :

http://stat.multimedia.mil.ru/multimedia/photo/[email protected]

A full transcript of the press conference (in Russian and English) is here :

http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/[email protected]

Which pictures were made by Persona?


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Of the five images of Eastern Ukraine published by Russian Ministry of Defense on July 17, two were made by Persona and other three by Resurs-P №1. It follows from the dates and times of images which correspond to high passes of the two satellites.

Are these images available online, Igor?

The pictures shown during the press conference are available on the website of the Russian Ministry of Defense :

http://stat.multimedia.mil.ru/multimedia/photo/[email protected]

A full transcript of the press conference (in Russian and English) is here :

http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/[email protected]

Which pictures were made by Persona?

See date and time at the top of each image:

(1) 14.07.2014 11:31 -- Lugansk area
(2a) 14.07.2014 11:40 -- Donetsk area
(2b) 14.07.2014 11:40 -- Donetsk area
(3) 17.07.2014 11:32 -- Donetsk area
(4) 17.07.2014 11:32 -- Shakhtersk area
(5) 18.07.2014 11:39 -- Shakhtersk area

Times are DMV (UTC+3h).
(2a) and (2b) are parts of the same image. (3) and (4) can be, too.
Of these, (2a), (2b) and (5) are probably images by Persona (exact match to passes at elevation 80 or so), and (1), (3) and (4) are probably images by Resurs-P (exact match to passes at elevation 60 or so).
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Ivan Safronov Jr. confirms successful reprogramming of Persona: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2538401
« Last Edit: 08/04/2014 07:02 pm by Liss »
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Since Cosmos 2486 is working, do we know whether the Persona satellite has been "accepted into the armaments" and if so, when please?
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14К031 Persona
Electro-optical reconnaissance satellite
Product: 14Ф137 № 3
Components: ОЭК 17В321, СУ 14М339М, БВС 14М828, 3x БОКЗ-М60, БА МЛСПИ
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1B with 14С738

<snip>

МЛСПИ - межспутниковой лазерной системы передачи информации

[translation: Intersatellite laser information transmission system]


Oh! That looks interesting. Any indication what the satellite on the other end of the laser link might be?



Google just found this for me:-
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Обеспечение и проведение калибровочных радиационных испытаний электро-радиоизделий иностранного производства, комплектующих аппаратуру МЛСПИ изделия 14Ф137 N 2
http://www.socionet.ru

Looks like this one too featured a LASER communications system?

Also features the same 14Д520 propulsion system as Resurs-P and the Volga upper stage?

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Приборы и системы Сторож-2М-7М, МЛСПИ, БЦВМС, ДКУ, БИТС-2Ц-7М, гермоперехода ИБПА, ОСД, БОКЗ-М60, КАС 14М102, блока мультиплексора для изготовления производством изделия 14Ф137 №2, а также приборы и системы ОСД, БОКЗ-М60, 14М533 (СГК), БИУС-ВОА, БЦВМС, ДКУ, ОДУ 14Д520, АБ, БСКВУ разрабатывались предприятиями-соисполнителями в рамках договоров на выполнение ОКР (СЧ ОКР), заключенных ФГУП ГНПРКЦ ЦСКБ Прогресс и изготавливались по конструкторской документации, входящей в комплект документов разрабатываемого изделия, и являются составными частями опытного образца изделия 14Ф137.
https://rospravosudie.com/court-as-goroda-moskvy-s/judge-sizova-olga-vladimirovna-s/act-309197056/
« Last Edit: 08/19/2014 06:22 pm by Stan Black »

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