Author Topic: Soyuz-2-1B launch with Kosmos (Persona) satellite - June 7, 2013  (Read 42383 times)

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Originally it had been reported that the Persona design was based upon the Yantar propulsion/service module with an optical system based upon that flown on the two ARKON missions.   The reconstruction by Anatoly Zak indicates that this is incorrect (http://www.russianspaceweb.com/persona.html).

Photographs taken of Cosmos 2441 in its parking orbit seemed to suggest an appearance rather like the Hubble Space Telescope for the arrangement of solar panels, but this is contradicted by Zak's reconstruction.   Maybe someone will be taking some public-domain "happy snaps" of Cosmos 2486 before it manoeuvres to its high orbit to clarify this.

A question which has always puzzled me is whether the design bureau programme name (like Yantar-4K2M) was Persona or whether the Ministry codename (like Kolbalt-M) was Persona.   Can anyone give a definitive answer to this?   Since Persona is used without an attached numerical designator, it would appear to be the Ministry name rather than the design bureau name - in which case what is the design bureau name?

Of course the system of assigning the different design bureau and ministry names might have changed over the years!
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Originally it had been reported that the Perso
A question which has always puzzled me is whether the design bureau programme name (like Yantar-4K2M) was Persona or whether the Ministry codename (like Kolbalt-M) was Persona.   Can anyone give a definitive answer to this?   Since Persona is used without an attached numerical designator, it would appear to be the Ministry name rather than the design bureau name - in which case what is the design bureau name?

Of course the system of assigning the different design bureau and ministry names might have changed over the years!

My understanding was that only the design bureau name was used until the satellite type was 'adopted into armaments' - but maybe I've misunderstood the system.
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Launch news report: http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=513716

Russian news reports said that this new satellite costs 10 billion rubles - about $310 million. Still a bargain comparing to those NRO Big Birds TM;)
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Launch news report: http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=513716

Russian news reports said that this new satellite costs 10 billion rubles - about $310 million. Still a bargain comparing to those NRO Big Birds TM;)

Those NRO birds are reportedly 2-3 times heavier, probably have capabilities this can't approach, have lasted over 10 years (USA-129 is approaching 17 years on orbit), and actually WORK in orbit  ;)
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2013-028A 39177 cataloged, in 186 x 683 km x 98.3 deg, 1030 local time sun-synchronous orbit.
Object B observed in 187 x 703 km x 98.31, LTDN: 10:31am

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What kind of coverage can we expect in the Russian media?

News in media and videos on TV channels after launch.

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The Soyuz looked to be sporting a particularly large fairing on this launch, is it a new model of fairing for the Soyuz-2-1B?

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The Interfax news agency the quoted the same official as saying that the Titov Chief Test center was in control of the satellite officially designated Kosmos-2486 and the spacecraft maintained telemetry communications with the ground and all onboard systems were functioning normally.

Quoted for the Kosmos designation.

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/persona.html

 The previous Persona was encapsulated in a 14С738 fairing, whereas all Fregat launches have been 81КС. The question is, are they the same; different designation for the same thing, or is one for Fregat and does not include the transfer compartment?
 In the 81КС only numbers #005 and #006 have not flown, but are those for Soyuz-ST-A rockets #003 and Б15000-004?
 Both upcomming Resurs-P №2 and Progress M-UM are to use the 81КС.

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Next Persona to be launched either in 2013 or early 2014
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I note none of the news stories give a Kosmos name - presumably this will be designated Kosmos-2486 eventually

Kosmos-2486 name confirmed by Vesti and ITAR-Tass:
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1092549&cid=7
http://www.itar-tass.com/c1/764788.html

Video of the launch here:
http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=513716&cid=1

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What kind of coverage can we expect in the Russian media?

News in media and videos on TV channels after launch.

Thanks.

The Soyuz looked to be sporting a particularly large fairing on this launch, is it a new model of fairing for the Soyuz-2-1B?

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The Interfax news agency the quoted the same official as saying that the Titov Chief Test center was in control of the satellite officially designated Kosmos-2486 and the spacecraft maintained telemetry communications with the ground and all onboard systems were functioning normally.

Quoted for the Kosmos designation.

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/persona.html

 The previous Persona was encapsulated in a 14С738 fairing, whereas all Fregat launches have been 81КС. The question is, are they the same; different designation for the same thing, or is one for Fregat and does not include the transfer compartment?
 In the 81КС only numbers #005 and #006 have not flown, but are those for Soyuz-ST-A rockets #003 and Б15000-004?
 Both upcomming Resurs-P №2 and Progress M-UM are to use the 81КС.

Thanks for that info.

I have noted that SeeSat are reporting sightings of two objects associated with this launch.

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An even better news report about the launch (how on earth did that reporter got the clearance to get right next to that secret machine and its fairing while the rocket is on the pad!?  :o): http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201306081304-mfez.htm
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An even better news report about the launch (how on earth did that reporter got the clearance to get right next to that secret machine and its fairing while the rocket is on the pad!?  :o): http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201306081304-mfez.htm

Just a shame I don't speak Russian, but interesting pictures, cannot imagine a US reporter being allowed to stand so close to an NRO payload.:)

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Last frame from that Zvezda video report
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Last frame from that Zvezda video report

I noticed it just captured the Korolyov Cross.
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2013-028A 39177 cataloged, in 186 x 683 km x 98.3 deg, 1030 local time sun-synchronous orbit.
Object B observed in 187 x 703 km x 98.31, LTDN: 10:31am
Confirming that Object B was the spacecraft, its orbit has now been circularized to 697 x 729 km x 98.3 epoch June 10 at 0514UTC

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Object A and B have been switched, so that Object A is now the spacecraft.

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Just a shame I don't speak Russian, but interesting pictures, cannot imagine a US reporter being allowed to stand so close to an NRO payload.:)
I can't imagine why, the payload is encapsulated. Are there any inspection windows in the fairing?

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I have a high-resolution picture of the launcher on launch pad 17P32-4 here :

http://www.kosmonavtika.com/lancements/2013/07062013/07062013photos.html (picture n10).

Also, I've been told (by a VERY reliable source) that payload is officially called 14Ф137 №2Л.
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What kind of coverage can we expect in the Russian media?

News in media and videos on TV channels after launch.

Thanks.

The Soyuz looked to be sporting a particularly large fairing on this launch, is it a new model of fairing for the Soyuz-2-1B?

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The Interfax news agency the quoted the same official as saying that the Titov Chief Test center was in control of the satellite officially designated Kosmos-2486 and the spacecraft maintained telemetry communications with the ground and all onboard systems were functioning normally.

Quoted for the Kosmos designation.

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/persona.html

 The previous Persona was encapsulated in a 14С738 fairing, whereas all Fregat launches have been 81КС. The question is, are they the same; different designation for the same thing, or is one for Fregat and does not include the transfer compartment?
 In the 81КС only numbers #005 and #006 have not flown, but are those for Soyuz-ST-A rockets #003 and Б15000-004?
 Both upcomming Resurs-P №2 and Progress M-UM are to use the 81КС.

 Soyuz-STA № Ш15000-001 eventually flew with 81КС № Б15000-006, so that just leaves fairing #005 unaccounted.
 14С738 may look like an 81КС, but I dont think it is.

http://www.kosmonavtika.com/lancements/2012/02122012/02122012-177.jpg

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