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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #40 on: 01/10/2013 06:38 pm »
Maybe this question had already been asked, but what is the difference between 14Ф138 and 14Ф145 ?
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #41 on: 01/10/2013 07:02 pm »
Maybe this question had already been asked, but what is the difference between 14Ф138 and 14Ф145?

Wikipedia informs that 14Ф138 is Лотос-С that has unfull set of payload equipment, 14Ф145 is Лотос-С1 that has full set of payload equipment.
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #42 on: 01/25/2013 07:20 pm »
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Тепловые трубы 47КС № 3
Тепловые трубы 14Ф148 № 3,4
Тепловые трубы 191КС
Сотопанели 14Ф148 № 3,4
Сотопанели 191КС

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #43 on: 04/24/2013 09:21 pm »
The next Kobalt-M is №564

Now for these the full length serial number for the rocket and satellite share the same fifth digit, indicating year of release.

Kobalt / Soyuz-U
Kobalt-M №47887560 - Soyuz-U №77057146, but flew on Soyuz-U №78075152
Kobalt-M №52695561 - Soyuz-U №78075152, but flew on Soyuz-U №76029169
Kobalt-M №64969562 - Soyuz-U №76029169, but flew on Soyuz-U №76012222
Kobalt-M №47822563 - Soyuz-U №76012222, but flew on Soyuz-U №78031229

So the rocket for №564 has already flown but with №563?

There is one further Kobalt, so has its rocket been given to Egyptsat-2?

This Egyptsat-2 is it 559ГК?
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #44 on: 04/24/2013 09:30 pm »
The next Kobalt-M is №564

Now for these the full length serial number for the rocket and satellite share the same fifth digit, indicating year of release.

Kobalt / Soyuz-U
Kobalt-M №47887560 - Soyuz-U №77057146, but flew on Soyuz-U №78075152
Kobalt-M №52695561 - Soyuz-U №78075152, but flew on Soyuz-U №76029169
Kobalt-M №64969562 - Soyuz-U №76029169, but flew on Soyuz-U №76012222
Kobalt-M №47822563 - Soyuz-U №76012222, but flew on Soyuz-U №78031229

So the rocket for №564 has already flown but with №563?

There is one further Kobalt, so has its rocket been given to Egypsat-2?

This Egypsat-2 is it 559ГК?
I was told last year that last Kobalt-M will not fly on Soyuz-U and was confirmed that is to fly on Soyuz-2 following 16/2 deactivation for modernization to Soyuz-2 configuration. 43/4 can no longer support analog missions.
That is per one of Anatoly Zak's sources.

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #45 on: 04/28/2013 05:50 am »
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17 марта 2009 года между истцом и ответчиком был заключен договор на выполнение опытно-конструкторской работы № 1382/2953. В соответствии с условиями договора и дополнительных соглашений исполнитель (истец) обязан  выполнить и сдать заказчику (ответчику)  ОКР Изготовление СЗБ 14С741-0 для изделия 14Ф145 № 802 по ТЗСЧ ОКР Создание ОМ для КА Л-С, П-НКС.
http://www.обозреть.рф/arbitration/protokol_kartoteka_obsuzhdeniye_slushaniye_poryadok_proizvodstvo_uchastnik

So Л-С is Lotos-S1, П-НКС is Pion-NKS?
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #46 on: 04/28/2013 08:47 am »
Resurs-P №1 is to use a 17С13А7 fairing, based on that used before by its predecessors Terilen, Neman and Resurs-DK, as well as Kometa, Ikar and Bion-M.

Resurs-P №2 is to feature the larger ST fairing, the 81КС.

http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?notificationId=5498251
http://www.zakupkiold.gov.ru/Tender/ViewPurchase.aspx?PurchaseId=711745

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #47 on: 04/28/2013 08:54 am »
Resurs-P №1 is to use a 17С13А7 fairing, based on that used before by its predecessors Terilen, Neman and Resurs-DK, as well as Kometa, Ikar and Bion-M.

Resurs-P №2 is to feature the larger ST fairing, the 81КС.

http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?notificationId=5498251
http://www.zakupkiold.gov.ru/Tender/ViewPurchase.aspx?PurchaseId=711745


Any insights as to why the difference?   Will there be differently-configured instrumentation on P 2 compared with P 1?
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #48 on: 05/12/2013 08:37 am »
The next Kobalt-M is №564

Now for these the full length serial number for the rocket and satellite share the same fifth digit, indicating year of release.

Kobalt / Soyuz-U
Kobalt-M №47887560 - Soyuz-U №77057146, but flew on Soyuz-U №78075152
Kobalt-M №52695561 - Soyuz-U №78075152, but flew on Soyuz-U №76029169
Kobalt-M №64969562 - Soyuz-U №76029169, but flew on Soyuz-U №76012222
Kobalt-M №47822563 - Soyuz-U №76012222, but flew on Soyuz-U №78031229

So the rocket for №564 has already flown but with №563?

There is one further Kobalt, so has its rocket been given to Egyptsat-2?

This Egyptsat-2 is it 559ГК?
I was told last year that last Kobalt-M will not fly on Soyuz-U and was confirmed that is to fly on Soyuz-2 following 16/2 deactivation for modernisation to Soyuz-2 configuration. 43/4 can no longer support analogue missions.
That is per one of Anatoly Zak's sources.

 What I was trying to say is that Soyuz-U №78031229 was probably ordered for this years Kobalt-M №564. Instead that rocket flew last year with Kobalt-M №563. In turn №563s rocket was used by №562.
 If a Soyuz-U was ordered for this years Kobalt-M №564, then would not a Soyuz-U also have been ordered for the final Kobalt-M next year? Why was a single Soyuz-U put in storage?

http://www.zakupkiold.gov.ru/Tender/ViewPurchase.aspx?PurchaseId=243660

 Kobalt-M №564 is going up from 43/4 on a Soyuz-2.

http://www.samspace.ru/upload/iblock/003/План%20закупки%20ГНПРКЦ%20ЦСКБ-Прогресс.xlsx
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #49 on: 05/13/2013 07:45 pm »
Maybe this question had already been asked, but what is the difference between 14Ф138 and 14Ф145?

Wikipedia informs that 14Ф138 is Лотос-С that has unfull set of payload equipment, 14Ф145 is Лотос-С1 that has full set of payload equipment.

 As with 141КС Volga, looks like Resurs-P №2, 14Ф139 №1 and 14Ф145 №2 are to feature БОКЗ-М60 star trackers. So that is one difference between 14Ф138 and 14Ф145.

http://ofo.ikiweb.ru/en/bokz.php
http://www.rosspending.ru/contract/0373100004811000068
http://www.rosspending.ru/contract/0373100004811000069
http://www.rosspending.ru/contract/0373100004811000071
http://www.rosspending.ru/contract/0373100004811000109

Edit: 14Ф145 №2 is not the second but №802; next in sequence after 14Ф138 №801.
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #50 on: 05/19/2013 09:25 am »
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Доработка бортовой аппаратуры межспутниковой лазерной системы передачи информации (БА МЛСПИ) для изделия 14Ф137 № 3
http://www.samspace.ru/zakupki/plany_zakupok/

 It does not help that the file names are all the same; no wonder I kept getting confused which version I was looking at.

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #51 on: 06/10/2013 06:39 am »
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #52 on: 06/10/2013 07:21 am »
Resurs-P №1 is to use a 17С13А7 fairing, based on that used before by its predecessors Terilen, Neman and Resurs-DK, as well as Kometa, Ikar and Bion-M.

Resurs-P №2 is to feature the larger ST fairing, the 81КС.

http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?notificationId=5498251
http://www.zakupkiold.gov.ru/Tender/ViewPurchase.aspx?PurchaseId=711745


Any insights as to why the difference?   Will there be differently-configured instrumentation on P 2 compared with P 1?

Because of Коронас-Нуклон?

http://www.vkonline.ru/news/219972/20121121/samarskij-resursp-2-budet-zapushen-sovmestno-s-kosmicheskim-apparatom-koronasnuklon.html
http://www.izvestia.ru/news/539391
http://www.mzarsenal.spb.ru/assets/files/gazeta/2013/06_2013.pdf
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?notificationId=2943904

That is a possibility. But Resurs-DK1 carried also the rather bulky PAMELA payload and only required the smaller 17С13А fairing.

Another posibility is, that the ST-type fairing is becoming the standard fairing, as hinted by one of my Russian contacts. I could not yet verify, if this is true.

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #53 on: 06/10/2013 08:14 pm »
Some sites have this as an enlarged Yantar, yet others indicate something completely different?

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #54 on: 06/22/2013 07:34 am »
Is 14К035 the complete package of Bars-M and rocket?

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Результаты анализа перечня ЭРИ ИП, комплектующих изделие 14К035
БА ДС
БА КИС
АМКО-5М
14М234 (ОСД)
"Степь-Б"
КАРАТ
СГК
БИУС-М
БУРД
БАРС-М
БКОД
БОКЗ-М60
ВРЛ
БССИ
http://www.spels.ru/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=26&Itemid=34

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Барс-М
состав целевой аппаратуры
ОЭК Карат
http://www.cpnt.ru/userfiles/G_M_Polishuk.pdf

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оптико-электронной
http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/245/2454679.html

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10.04.2009 между истцом и ответчиком был заключен договор в редакции дополнительного соглашения от 17.08.2011 № 5, согласно условиям которого истец (исполнитель) обязался выполнить работы по теме: Разработка и изготовление системы управления ОТМ для ОЭК Карат КА14К035 (СУ ОТМ) и сдать работы заказчику (ответчику), а заказчик обязался принять и оплатить работы.
http://docs.pravo.ru/document/view/32619237/
http://docs.pravo.ru/document/view/29237327/

Drop zones
http://www.vdvsn.ru/papers/vs/2008/10/02/71936/

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Оптический солнечный датчик ОСД 14М234
http://www.samspace.ru/zakupki/plany_zakupok/
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #55 on: 07/07/2013 07:07 am »
14К031 Persona
Electro-optical reconnaissance satellite
Product: 14Ф137 № 3
Components: ОЭК 17В321, СУ 14М339М, БВС 14М828, 3 БОКЗ-М60, БА МЛСПИ
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1B with 14С738

14К035 Bars-M
Electro-optical area surveillance cartography satellite
Product: 14Ф148?
Components: ОЭК Karat, ОСД 14М234, БОКЗ-М60, 14Р734, 14Р739, БИУС-М 14М243
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1B

Pion-NKS (part of Liana)
Naval ELINT
Product: 14Ф139 № 901
Components: КАС 14М102, 2 БОКЗ-М60
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1B

14К159 Lotos-S (part of Liana)
ELINT
Product: 14Ф145 № 802
Components: КАС 14М102, 2 БОКЗ-М60
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1B with 14С741

Kobalt-M
Film-return photographic reconnaissance satellite
Product: 11Ф695 № 564
Components: БВС 14М828, 2 БОКЗ
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2 with 11С529-ПВБ

Kobalt-M
Film-return photographic reconnaissance satellite
Product: 11Ф695
Launch vehicle Soyuz-2 with 11С529-ПВБ

БА - бортовой аппаратуры
БВС - бортовая вычислительная система
БИУС - блок измерителей угловой скорости
КАС - комплекс автоматики и стабилизации
КИС - командно-измерительной системы
МЛСПИ - межспутниковые лазерные системы передачи информации
ОСД - оптический солнечный датчик
ОЭК - оптико-электронный комплекс
СУ - системы управления


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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #56 on: 07/07/2013 07:25 pm »
14К031 Persona
Electro-optical reconnaissance satellite
Product: 14Ф137 № 3
Components: ОЭК 17В321, СУ 14М339М, БВС 14М828, 3x БОКЗ-М60, БА МЛСПИ
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1B with 14С738

<snip>

МЛСПИ - межспутниковой лазерной системы передачи информации

[translation: Intersatellite laser information transmission system]


Oh! That looks interesting. Any indication what the satellite on the other end of the laser link might be?
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #57 on: 07/20/2013 01:26 pm »
14К031 Persona
Electro-optical reconnaissance satellite
Product: 14Ф137 № 3
Components: ОЭК 17В321, СУ 14М339М, БВС 14М828, 3x БОКЗ-М60, БА МЛСПИ
Launch vehicle: Soyuz-2-1B with 14С738

<snip>

МЛСПИ - межспутниковой лазерной системы передачи информации

[translation: Intersatellite laser information transmission system]


Oh! That looks interesting. Any indication what the satellite on the other end of the laser link might be?


I would expect Garpun to be one possibility; also Luch-5B.

http://www.gazprom-spacesystems.ru/ru/news/publications/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=2142



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В рамках ОКР Ягуар и ЛТ-150 создается лазерный канал передачи высокоскоростной информации с низкоорбитального КА ДЗЗ на геостационарный ретранслятор.
В 2014 планируется начало летных испытаний этой системы. В случае успешного проведения ЛКИ эта технология будет развиваться дальше в интересах других потребителей.
http://www.disclosure.skrin.ru/disclosure/7722698108

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http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic13296/message1100233/#message1100233

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Результаты диссертации внедрены в ОАО ЭНПО СПЭЛС при радиационных испытаниях отечественных и зарубежных КМОП БИС, комплектующих бортовую аппаратуру, на стойкость к факторам космического пространства  в аппаратуре изделий 14Ф137, 14Ф142, 14Ф148,14В120, ЛТ150, ЛУЧ-5А и других.
http://vak2.ed.gov.ru/idcUploadAutoref/renderFile/59978

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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #58 on: 09/05/2013 04:30 pm »
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17 марта 2009 года между истцом и ответчиком был заключен договор на выполнение опытно-конструкторской работы № 1382/2953. В соответствии с условиями договора и дополнительных соглашений исполнитель (истец) обязан  выполнить и сдать заказчику (ответчику)  ОКР Изготовление СЗБ 14С741-0 для изделия 14Ф145 № 802 по ТЗСЧ ОКР Создание ОМ для КА Л-С, П-НКС.
http://www.обозреть.рф/arbitration/protokol_kartoteka_obsuzhdeniye_slushaniye_poryadok_proizvodstvo_uchastnik

So Л-С is Lotos-S1, П-НКС is Pion-NKS?

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Доработка бортовой аппаратуры межспутниковой лазерной системы передачи информации (БА МЛСПИ) для изделия 14Ф137 № 3
http://www.samspace.ru/zakupki/plany_zakupok/

 It does not help that the file names are all the same; no wonder I kept getting confused which version I was looking at.

Further details on Lotos-S and Pion-NKS.

The fairing (СЗБ) 14С741 looks to be based on the 4,11 metres type, because the transfer compartment (ПхО) which supports the fairing and payload on top of the third stage is 14С738, previously used by Persona.

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Выдача заключения по статической прочности ОМ изделий 14Ф145, 14Ф139 ПхО 14С738 в составе СЗБ 14С741
График осуществления процедур закупки 3 кв.2013г. 4 кв. 2013г.
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Re: Future photoreconnaissance satellites
« Reply #59 on: 09/05/2013 04:39 pm »
Since the primary language is English on this web site, could we please have translations of the short pieces which are being quoted? - whether here, on the Chinese threat or Iranian threat.

In advance of this suggestion/request being taken up, thank you!
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