Author Topic: Flight crew assignments (Read 2037901 times)

John_Marshall · « **Reply #3760 on:** 04/08/2023 03:43 pm »

Quote from: hektor on 04/08/2023 10:06 am

Someone has edited the English language wikipedia biographies of Michael Barratt and Matthew Dominick to write that they are pilot and commander of Crew-8, respectively.

That's odd. Last I knew from this thread, Dominick was backup CDR for PCM-1, but I suppose there is precedence for a move like that (Mann and Cassada).

Quote from: Ben E on 04/08/2023 03:04 pm

I'd be surprised if one of the Mission Specialists didn't land, particularly as Watkins (a non-test pilot) would almost certainly be a Mission Specialist if she flew and almost certainly would not serve as CDR or PLT. It seems plausible that the CDR and one MS will land, with the PLT and the other MS remaining in lunar orbit. Or vice versa. Possibly.

I concur. Someone like Jessica Meir might be able to be PLT, as a private pilot who now also has helicopter training, but I agree re Watkins. CDR and MS-1 (who would effectively be LMP) would make sense; I can't see the PLT getting precedence over the CDR.

JoeFromRIUSA · « **Reply #3761 on:** 04/08/2023 09:46 pm »

Quote from: Ben E on 04/08/2023 03:04 pm

Quote from: Phil Stooke on 04/03/2023 09:59 pm

I'd be surprised if one of the Mission Specialists didn't land, particularly as Watkins (a non-test pilot) would almost certainly be a Mission Specialist if she flew and almost certainly would not serve as CDR or PLT. It seems plausible that the CDR and one MS will land, with the PLT and the other MS remaining in lunar orbit. Or vice versa. Possibly.

Wouldn't be more likely that the MS involved in the landing be qualified and trainewd to fly the lander in an emergency?

Zed_Noir · « **Reply #3762 on:** 04/09/2023 12:33 am »

Quote from: JoeFromRIUSA on 04/08/2023 09:46 pm

Quote from: Ben E on 04/08/2023 03:04 pm
Quote from: Phil Stooke on 04/03/2023 09:59 pm
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I'd be surprised if one of the Mission Specialists didn't land, particularly as Watkins (a non-test pilot) would almost certainly be a Mission Specialist if she flew and almost certainly would not serve as CDR or PLT. It seems plausible that the CDR and one MS will land, with the PLT and the other MS remaining in lunar orbit. Or vice versa. Possibly.

Wouldn't be more likely that the MS involved in the landing be qualified and trainewd to fly the lander in an emergency?

AIUI, the SpaceX HLS lander lands autonomously without the need of a pilot, once the landing site is selected. SpaceX plans to land an uncrewed precursor HLS lander prior to Artemis-3.

The flight crew is mostly for monitoring the flight systems and providing fail-safe abort command to low Lunar orbit in case of contingencies, IMO.

Somehow don't think it will be ever be easy to land anything as large as the SpaceX HLS Moonship on the Moon manually.

The NASA option of having only a 2 person crew for the Artemis-3 Lunar landing was premised on something like the NASA reference design being chosen as the Lunar lander with a very small crew compartment with not much cargo capacity. That is no longer the case.

NASA appears to be sticking with their hyped "crew selection criteria" of a person of color and a woman with the Artemis-3 Lunar landing, still with a 2 person crew. When the entire 4-person crew could be included in the landing party.

skeer · « **Reply #3763 on:** 04/09/2023 01:05 am »

Watkins could take of two of those criteria, plus being a geologist.

John_Marshall · « **Reply #3764 on:** 04/09/2023 01:11 am »

Quote from: Zed_Noir on 04/09/2023 12:33 am

NASA appears to be sticking with their hyped "crew selection criteria" of a person of color and a woman with the Artemis-3 Lunar landing, still with a 2 person crew. When the entire 4-person crew could be included in the landing party.

I don't think it was ever promised that both of those would be on Artemis III; that seems to me to be a common misreading of what NASA said. My understanding was that a woman would land on the moon as part of Artemis III and that a person of color would land on the moon as part of the Artemis program.

hektor · « **Reply #3765 on:** 04/10/2023 05:28 pm »

Maybe that was not was NASA or the Biden Administration meant, maybe you are right.

But that is what everyone has understood, and in particular the mainstream media. So now, if for instance the landing crew of Artemis III was a Caucasian male and a Caucasian female, the backlash would be enormous. I do not see NASA taking such a risk.

John_Marshall · « **Reply #3766 on:** 04/10/2023 08:22 pm »

Quote from: hektor on 04/10/2023 05:28 pm

But that is what everyone has understood, and in particular the mainstream media. So now, if for instance the landing crew of Artemis III was a Caucasian male and a Caucasian female, the backlash would be enormous. I do not see NASA taking such a risk.

That's an interesting point. I had not thought of it from that perspective.

Ben E · « **Reply #3767 on:** 04/11/2023 06:38 am »

Bresnik and Watkins for Artemis III landing, then?

All political and positively discriminatory bases covered?

zubenelgenubi · « **Reply #3768 on:** 04/13/2023 06:07 pm »

Moderator:
Again, stay on-topic. This is not a discussion thread for unbridled speculation. Posts deleted.

Also, please submit a "report to moderator" in these circumstances. Thank you.

ZachS09 · « **Reply #3769 on:** 04/13/2023 06:25 pm »

I don’t understand why NasaFan95 has to speculate on who’s flying on [insert spaceflight here].

This is puzzling.

NasaFan95 · « **Reply #3770 on:** 04/13/2023 10:51 pm »

Ok I won’t speculate I was replying to what Ben e said. Who he wanted to see fly on Artemis 3 & who I wanted to see.

Joachim · « **Reply #3771 on:** 04/14/2023 06:19 am »

Quote from: NasaFan95 on 04/13/2023 10:51 pm

Ok I won’t speculate I was replying to what Ben e said. Who he wanted to see fly on Artemis 3 & who I wanted to see.

But it was not a crew assignment.
This thread is for assignments only.

NasaFan95 · « **Reply #3772 on:** 04/14/2023 01:12 pm »

Ok but bresnik & Watkins haven’t been assigned to Artemis 3 no one has. They won’t announce that until late next year I do have a quick question has it been confirmed if Matt Dominick is commanding & Michael Barratt is piloting space x crew 8 or is that just rumors. I just wondered cuz of Dominick got assigned to that mission wouldn’t they have to replace him on the backup commander seat of the first starliner mission that I wonder.

NasaFan95 · « **Reply #3773 on:** 04/14/2023 01:22 pm »

Again for crew 8 I’m not trying to speculate that’s just from what I’ve read.

John_Marshall · « **Reply #3774 on:** 04/14/2023 02:13 pm »

Quote from: NasaFan95 on 04/14/2023 01:12 pm

Ok but bresnik & Watkins haven’t been assigned to Artemis 3 no one has. They won’t announce that until late next year I do have a quick question has it been confirmed if Matt Dominick is commanding & Michael Barratt is piloting space x crew 8 or is that just rumors. I just wondered cuz of Dominick got assigned to that mission wouldn’t they have to replace him on the backup commander seat of the first starliner mission that I wonder.

You're correct about Artemis III. As far as Crew-8, I presume that it will be announced as soon as it's confirmed, so if we haven't heard anything, I doubt it has been confirmed. (I would presume that it is not confirmed until I have evidence that it is, in other words.)

Let me add a distinction that you might find helpful. Compare the Dominick-Barratt rumor and the Bresnik-Watkins discussion. Talking about the Dominick-Barrett rumor is not speculation (as I view it), since there is evidence behind it--we just don't know what all of that evidence is, as we don't know what led the person who made the Wikipedia edit to do so. Bresnik-Watkins, in contrast, was just a proposal; I kind of doubt even Joe Acaba knows who will be on Artemis III right now. The mods have said further back in this thread that this thread is for two things: (1) discussion of assignments and (2) discussions of things other than official assignments that have evidence behind them. I believe that Dominick-Barratt falls within #2 but Bresnik-Watkins or (to pick something out of the air) throwing out four names for who might fly on Crew-10 does not.

If the mods disagree with this, what they say goes, of course. However, I hope this helps!

NasaFan95 · « **Reply #3775 on:** 04/14/2023 06:36 pm »

Thank you

John_Marshall · « **Reply #3776 on:** 04/15/2023 12:52 am »

Quote from: NasaFan95 on 04/14/2023 06:36 pm

Thank you

No problem!

Ben E · « **Reply #3777 on:** 04/15/2023 05:08 am »

Crikey, sorry folks. My Bresnik-Watkins speculation was based upon Bresnik's position (from 2018) as assistant to the chief for exploration and (from 2019 until Jan 2022 at least) as the SLS/Orion/EGS Branch Chief of the astronaut office & Watkins as (the only) African-American geologist.

It was merely a "thinking aloud"-type thing, based on the roles this pair have done in the past. Sorry to have caused any annoyance with my comment.

ddspaceman · « **Reply #3778 on:** 04/15/2023 02:31 pm »

https://twitter.com/katlinegrey/status/1647245216947027972

Tobias_Corbett · « **Reply #3779 on:** 04/16/2023 10:54 am »

Not sure if this has been discussed on here before (feel free to delete this if so), but someone has updated the Commercial Crew Program Wikipedia page to show Josh Kutryk of the Canadian Space Agency as having been assigned to Starliner PCM-1, with a source added that doesn't seem to reflect that in any way. Just wanted to put it out there and see if anyone had any information on that before I reverse the edit.