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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3740 on: 03/31/2023 05:04 pm »
The four currently active Canadian astronauts are rookies Joshua Kutryk, Jennifer Sidey-Gibbons, Jeremy Hansen, and veteran David Saint-Jacques. My guess for Artemus II is that it's Jeremy Hansen who became an astronaut in 2011. He is the first Canadian astronaut to train NASA astronauts. David Saint Jacques has already flown and with so few available flight assignments it's likely they will let another get flight experience. Kutryk and Sidey-Gibbons are too green, only being in the astronaut office since 2020. I'm certain our PM would be rooting for a Canadian woman to fly, but, I don't think the Americans want the first woman to fly to the moon to be a non-American, and one of their astronauts will have that distinction.
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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3741 on: 03/31/2023 05:41 pm »
Announcement of the crew to fly on the Artemis II mission around the Moon and back to Earth Ė Johnson Space Center.

Artemis 2 (officially Artemis II) is the second scheduled mission of NASA's Artemis program and the first scheduled crewed mission of NASA's Orion spacecraft, currently planned to be launched by the Space Launch System (SLS) in November 2024.

The crewed Orion spacecraft will perform a lunar flyby test and return to Earth. This is planned to be the first crewed spacecraft to travel beyond low Earth orbit since Apollo 17 in 1972. Formerly known as Exploration Mission-2 (EM-2), the mission was renamed after introducing the Artemis program. The crewed mission initially intended to collect samples from a captured asteroid in lunar orbit by the now-canceled robotic Asteroid Redirect Mission.

This is also planned to be the first crewed launch from LC-39B since STS-116.
NASA will introduce the primary and backup crew for Artemis II. It is to be expected that the crew will consist of 3 NASA astronauts and one CSA astronaut from the Canadian Space Agency.
Following the NASA routine, the backup crew is expected to launch with Artemis III and land on the Moon.

If what you mention is true, I doubt NASA will announce the backup crew for Artemis II as this would unveil who will be flying on Artemis III, which is by far the most important mission. I don't think the backup crew will be the ones flying on Artemis III. This isn't a typical ISS mission. Objectives for Artemis II and III are very different. BTW where did you get this info?

https://www.facebook.com/events/1116307635992277/?ref=newsfeed

Just confirmed with NASA -- and I don't know where the original info came from, though that Facebook entry makes it seem official -- only the prime crew will be announced on April 3.

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Michael we know the crew of the first two starliner missions have been announced with the exception of one crew member on the first crewed mission, I keep hearing starliner 1ís maiden voyage has been pushed back to next year, the Boeing crewed flight test they said would launch no earlier than July 21st. Have they announced the crew of space x crew 8, or when theyíll announce it, I wonder if theyíll  announce it after crew 7 launches, cuz I keep reading and hearing through the grapevine due to tingle, fincke & Epps flight being pushed back that crew 8 was gonna fly first whatís the deal with that. If thatís true or not. Again I get spacefacts isnít a reliable source, that I get, but Ik one Russian cosmonaut has been announced for crew 8 they just havenít announced the other 3 crew members.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3742 on: 03/31/2023 05:43 pm »
The four currently active Canadian astronauts are rookies Joshua Kutryk, Jennifer Sidey-Gibbons, Jeremy Hansen, and veteran David Saint-Jacques. My guess is that it's Jeremy Hansen who became an astronaut in 2011. He is the first Canadian astronaut to train NASA astronauts. David Saint Jacques has already flown and with so few available flight assignments it's likely they will let another get flight experience. Kutryk and Sidey-Gibbons are too green, only being in the astronaut office since 2020. I'm certain our PM would be rooting for a Canadian woman to fly, but, I don't think the Americans want the first woman to fly to the moon to be a non-American, and one of their astronauts will have that distinction.
Sidey Gibbons will prolly either be on this mission Artemis 2 or Artemis 4 or 5. Thatís my theory.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3743 on: 03/31/2023 05:59 pm »
Announcement of the crew to fly on the Artemis II mission around the Moon and back to Earth Ė Johnson Space Center.

Artemis 2 (officially Artemis II) is the second scheduled mission of NASA's Artemis program and the first scheduled crewed mission of NASA's Orion spacecraft, currently planned to be launched by the Space Launch System (SLS) in November 2024.

The crewed Orion spacecraft will perform a lunar flyby test and return to Earth. This is planned to be the first crewed spacecraft to travel beyond low Earth orbit since Apollo 17 in 1972. Formerly known as Exploration Mission-2 (EM-2), the mission was renamed after introducing the Artemis program. The crewed mission initially intended to collect samples from a captured asteroid in lunar orbit by the now-canceled robotic Asteroid Redirect Mission.

This is also planned to be the first crewed launch from LC-39B since STS-116.
NASA will introduce the primary and backup crew for Artemis II. It is to be expected that the crew will consist of 3 NASA astronauts and one CSA astronaut from the Canadian Space Agency.
Following the NASA routine, the backup crew is expected to launch with Artemis III and land on the Moon.

If what you mention is true, I doubt NASA will announce the backup crew for Artemis II as this would unveil who will be flying on Artemis III, which is by far the most important mission. I don't think the backup crew will be the ones flying on Artemis III. This isn't a typical ISS mission. Objectives for Artemis II and III are very different. BTW where did you get this info?

https://www.facebook.com/events/1116307635992277/?ref=newsfeed

Just confirmed with NASA -- and I don't know where the original info came from, though that Facebook entry makes it seem official -- only the prime crew will be announced on April 3.

Michael Cassutt
Michael I keep reading on space sites not just spacefacts but others that crew dragon mission 8 is gonna launch in February or March of next year, they already have a cosmonaut announced Aleksandr grebyonkin is the lone crew member that supposedly has been announced Iím not trying to speculate but I also keep hearing  Boeing starliner mission 1 with tingle, fincke, Epps & an astronaut TBA their flight got pushed back to late summer, early fall 2024 idk how true this is but if you or someone could confirm it to me Iíd appreciate it. Ik the Boeing crewed flight test got pushed back to July of this year that I do know cuz it was all over twitter.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3744 on: 03/31/2023 07:13 pm »
Announcement of the crew to fly on the Artemis II mission around the Moon and back to Earth Ė Johnson Space Center.

Artemis 2 (officially Artemis II) is the second scheduled mission of NASA's Artemis program and the first scheduled crewed mission of NASA's Orion spacecraft, currently planned to be launched by the Space Launch System (SLS) in November 2024.

The crewed Orion spacecraft will perform a lunar flyby test and return to Earth. This is planned to be the first crewed spacecraft to travel beyond low Earth orbit since Apollo 17 in 1972. Formerly known as Exploration Mission-2 (EM-2), the mission was renamed after introducing the Artemis program. The crewed mission initially intended to collect samples from a captured asteroid in lunar orbit by the now-canceled robotic Asteroid Redirect Mission.

This is also planned to be the first crewed launch from LC-39B since STS-116.
NASA will introduce the primary and backup crew for Artemis II. It is to be expected that the crew will consist of 3 NASA astronauts and one CSA astronaut from the Canadian Space Agency.
Following the NASA routine, the backup crew is expected to launch with Artemis III and land on the Moon.

If what you mention is true, I doubt NASA will announce the backup crew for Artemis II as this would unveil who will be flying on Artemis III, which is by far the most important mission. I don't think the backup crew will be the ones flying on Artemis III. This isn't a typical ISS mission. Objectives for Artemis II and III are very different. BTW where did you get this info?

https://www.facebook.com/events/1116307635992277/?ref=newsfeed

Just confirmed with NASA -- and I don't know where the original info came from, though that Facebook entry makes it seem official -- only the prime crew will be announced on April 3.

Michael Cassutt
Michael we know the crew of the first two starliner missions have been announced with the exception of one crew member on the first crewed mission, I keep hearing starliner 1ís maiden voyage has been pushed back to next year, the Boeing crewed flight test they said would launch no earlier than July 21st. Have they announced the crew of space x crew 8, or when theyíll announce it, I wonder if theyíll  announce it after crew 7 launches, cuz I keep reading and hearing through the grapevine due to tingle, fincke & Epps flight being pushed back that crew 8 was gonna fly first whatís the deal with that. If thatís true or not. Again I get spacefacts isnít a reliable source, that I get, but Ik one Russian cosmonaut has been announced for crew 8 they just havenít announced the other 3 crew members.

Given that NASA just announced the new CFT launch date of July 21 and that all attention is on the Artemis II reveal this Monday, it shouldn't be a surprise that information on Starliner-1 and Crew-8 is still to come. Many informed sources, on NSF and elsewhere, have noted that Boeing and NASA almost certainly need a year's gap between CFT and Starliner-1, so I would expect that change to be made official any time after April 3.

At which time you could expect NASA to announce the Crew-8 team, which has been selected and in training for months -- aiming at either the USCV-8 (Spring 2024) or USCV-9 (early Fall 2024) slot. A complete Starliner-1 crew would follow a Crew-8 announcement by some months.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3745 on: 03/31/2023 07:15 pm »
The four currently active Canadian astronauts are rookies Joshua Kutryk, Jennifer Sidey-Gibbons, Jeremy Hansen, and veteran David Saint-Jacques. My guess is that it's Jeremy Hansen who became an astronaut in 2011. He is the first Canadian astronaut to train NASA astronauts. David Saint Jacques has already flown and with so few available flight assignments it's likely they will let another get flight experience. Kutryk and Sidey-Gibbons are too green, only being in the astronaut office since 2020. I'm certain our PM would be rooting for a Canadian woman to fly, but, I don't think the Americans want the first woman to fly to the moon to be a non-American, and one of their astronauts will have that distinction.
Sidey Gibbons will prolly either be on this mission Artemis 2 or Artemis 4 or 5. Thatís my theory.

You mean "guess". Canada has flight crew opportunities on Artemis II and a Gateway mission TBD.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3746 on: 03/31/2023 07:47 pm »
Given that NASA just announced the new CFT launch date of July 21 and that all attention is on the Artemis II reveal this Monday, it shouldn't be a surprise that information on Starliner-1 and Crew-8 is still to come. Many informed sources, on NSF and elsewhere, have noted that Boeing and NASA almost certainly need a year's gap between CFT and Starliner-1, so I would expect that change to be made official any time after April 3.

I had not heard about the one-year gap. I was expecting something closer to what Space-X had. Thanks!

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3747 on: 03/31/2023 08:01 pm »
Given that NASA just announced the new CFT launch date of July 21 and that all attention is on the Artemis II reveal this Monday, it shouldn't be a surprise that information on Starliner-1 and Crew-8 is still to come. Many informed sources, on NSF and elsewhere, have noted that Boeing and NASA almost certainly need a year's gap between CFT and Starliner-1, so I would expect that change to be made official any time after April 3.

I had not heard about the one-year gap. I was expecting something closer to what Space-X had. Thanks!
Crew Dragon Demo-2 launched on 30 May 2020, and Crew-1 launched on 16 November 2020, but the circumstances are very different now. In 2020 NASA was paying for Soyuz seats and had no alternatives, so they wanted to fly Crew-1 as soon as it was safe to do so. Now, NASA has no particular urgency to fly Starliner-1, and in fact it would be somewhat disruptive, since crew assignments depend on Spacecraft type. Much simpler to just fly Crew-8 in Spring 2024 and Starliner-1 in Fall 2024.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3748 on: 03/31/2023 09:36 pm »
Given that NASA just announced the new CFT launch date of July 21 and that all attention is on the Artemis II reveal this Monday, it shouldn't be a surprise that information on Starliner-1 and Crew-8 is still to come. Many informed sources, on NSF and elsewhere, have noted that Boeing and NASA almost certainly need a year's gap between CFT and Starliner-1, so I would expect that change to be made official any time after April 3.

I had not heard about the one-year gap. I was expecting something closer to what Space-X had. Thanks!

Yes, poor writing on my part. I meant the Canadian astronaut for Artemus II mission and I edited my post.
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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3752 on: 04/03/2023 09:33 pm »
Interesting that Artemis is continuing the Shuttle, Crew Dragon and Starliner crew member designator heritage of CDR, PLT, MS1, MS2.

Is there a rationale for this? Or did NASA simply decide that it doesn't really matter and opted to recycle the old Shuttle designations rather than invent something new?

How will this fit with landing crews from Artemis III onwards? Will either (or both?) the CDR and PLT be on the landing crew, or a mix of CDR/MS or PLT/MS?

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3753 on: 04/03/2023 09:59 pm »
I would think the Apollo designations would be used, perhaps slightly modified (LLP for Lunar Lander Pilot rather than LMP), with the Mission Specialists staying in orbit tasked with a suite of observations.  One MS might become a Crew Module Pilot to run things in orbit with another MS being more science-oriented. So my guess is CDR, LLP, CMP, MS.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3754 on: 04/04/2023 12:45 am »
Artemis II is the next mission, a big one--going around the moon.  It is getting a lot of attention and deservedly so.  But isn't Artemis IIIóthe first landingóthe big prize?  It's a different time in a different world, so the Apollo 10/11 comparison is only remotely applicable.  But shouldn't the big deal be the first landing crew?  Is it too early to start that speculation?  Assuming the II crew is not going to be recycled, what is the early handicapping on the plum assignments to Artemis III?

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3755 on: 04/04/2023 02:15 am »
Epps and Hansen, the two remaining Class astros who haven't yet flown. NASA Group 20 was selected in 2009.  That's dedication.  I'm glad that these last 2 "Chumps" have finally both received their flight assignments. (Starliner-1/Artemis-2).
From London, Ontario Canada(just down the road) to being a Hornet guy, now to the Moon.  Wow, we're all real proud Colonel! Not bad for a fly-boy. 
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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3756 on: 04/04/2023 03:31 pm »
In light of yesterdays announcement of the Artemis II crew I thought this old video was interesting as background.

https://twitter.com/esaspaceflight/status/1643197745451212800

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3757 on: 04/06/2023 02:20 pm »
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Duplicate post.
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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3758 on: 04/08/2023 10:06 am »
Someone has edited the English language wikipedia biographies of Michael Barratt and Matthew Dominick to write that they are pilot and commander of Crew-8, respectively.

Now the point is to know whether this is a prank or someone who actually has the information and could not help telling it somewhere...

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3759 on: 04/08/2023 03:04 pm »
I would think the Apollo designations would be used, perhaps slightly modified (LLP for Lunar Lander Pilot rather than LMP), with the Mission Specialists staying in orbit tasked with a suite of observations.  One MS might become a Crew Module Pilot to run things in orbit with another MS being more science-oriented. So my guess is CDR, LLP, CMP, MS.

I'd be surprised if one of the Mission Specialists didn't land, particularly as Watkins (a non-test pilot) would almost certainly be a Mission Specialist if she flew and almost certainly would not serve as CDR or PLT. It seems plausible that the CDR and one MS will land, with the PLT and the other MS remaining in lunar orbit. Or vice versa. Possibly.


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