SpaceX F9/Crew Dragon : Crew-11 : KSC LC-39A : 1 August 2025 (15:43 UTC)

[FutureSpaceTourist]

Discussion thread for Crew-11 launch.


Both NASA crew rotation missions to ISS in 2025 confirmed as Dragon:

https://blogs.nasa.gov/commercialcrew/2024/10/15/nasa-updates-2025-commercial-crew-plan/

NASA Updates 2025 Commercial Crew Plan

NASA and its industry partners Boeing and SpaceX continue planning next year’s missions to the International Space Station for the agency’s Commercial Crew Program. While significant work remains to prepare for these flights, the agency expects a busy year of in-orbit activities and is planning windows of opportunity for mission teams to target, pending operational readiness and station traffic.

Crew-10

NASA’s SpaceX Crew-10 mission is targeting no earlier than February 2025. The mission will carry NASA astronauts Anne McClain, commander, and Nichole Ayers, pilot, along with mission specialists JAXA (Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency) astronaut Takuya Onishi and Roscosmos cosmonaut Kirill Peskov to the space station to conduct scientific investigations and technology demonstrations. This mission will be the second spaceflight for McClain and Onishi, and the first for Ayers and Peskov.

Crew-9, which arrived at the space station on Sept. 29, carrying NASA astronaut Nick Hague and Roscosmos cosmonaut Aleksandr Grubonov, will return to Earth with NASA astronauts Suni Williams and Butch Wilmore accompanying Hague and Gorbunov, following a short handover with Crew-10.

Crew-11

NASA’s SpaceX Crew-11 will be the second crew rotation flight of 2025 and is targeted for no earlier than July to benefit the space station needs, including accommodating resupply flights and other operations aboard the orbiting laboratory. NASA will announce the four-person crew at a later date.

Next Starliner Flight

The timing and configuration of Starliner’s next flight will be determined once a better understanding of Boeing’s path to system certification is established. This determination will include considerations for incorporating Crew Flight Test lessons learned, approvals of final certification products, and operational readiness.

Meanwhile, NASA is keeping options on the table for how best to achieve system certification, including windows of opportunity for a potential Starliner flight in 2025.

NASA will provide more information when available.

For more on NASA’s Commercial Crew Program missions to the orbiting laboratory follow the commercial crew blog and the program’s social media accounts via @commercial_crew on X and commercial crew on Facebook.

Author Elyna Niles-Carnes
Posted on October 15, 2024
Categories Commercial Crew, Commercial Crew Program, International Space Station, Kennedy Space Center, NASA, NASA AstronautsTags anne McClain, Boeing Starliner, NASA's SpaceX Crew-10, NASA's SpaceX Crew-11, NASA's SpaceX Crew-9, Nichole Ayers

[JSz]

Summarising the launches:
      - Crew-10: February 2025
      - Crew-11: July 2025
      - next Starliner flight: 2025 or 2026

[AmigaClone]

I agree that Crew-11 launching in July 2025 leaves the possibility of NASA potentially having a third crew rotation mission in 2025 with Starliner-1 launching NET November/December 2025.

If need be I can see a possibility of a SpaceX-CRS mission using an uncrewed Crew Dragon, with the crew of Starliner-1 returning in that crew Dragon.

[DanClemmensen]

I agree that Crew-11 launching in July 2025 leaves the possibility of NASA potentially having a third crew rotation mission in 2025 with Starliner-1 launching NET November/December 2025.

If need be I can see a possibility of a SpaceX-CRS mission using an uncrewed Crew Dragon, with the crew of Starliner-1 returning in that crew Dragon.

I think it's either Starliner-1, or it's Boe CFT-2, and NASA has not yet decided. If it's Starliner-1, NASA would have very high confidence in a success.

If NASA needs a contingency to use Dragon seats to return Starliner astronauts, then I hope they have an agreement in place with Boeing and SpaceX for how much Boeing must pay. As we have now seen, such a situation is very disruptive and somebody needs to pay for it.

Based purely on the wording of the NASA announcement, they are still clinging to the hope that they can somehow justify certifying Starliner based on the CFT. That would be a real travesty, and I hope someone like Sierra has standing to sue NASA for it and would do so. I'm not even sure how they can justify sending another crewed CFT without first sending another uncrewed OFT-3.

[John_Marshall]

Summarising the launches:
      - Crew-10: February 2025
      - Crew-11: July 2025
      - next Starliner flight: 2025 or 2026

I wonder why they're saying July and not August for Crew-11. That would seem to make Crew-10 shorter, like Crew-9 is turning out to be.

[marcdrnl]

I wonder why they're saying July and not August for Crew-11. That would seem to make Crew-10 shorter, like Crew-9 is turning out to be.

It's will a normal 6 months since Crew-10 will launch on February. The only "short" mission is Crew-9

[John_Marshall]

It's will a normal 6 months since Crew-10 will launch on February. The only "short" mission is Crew-9

Are you thinking that Crew-11 would launch in July but that Crew-10 would not land until August, then? That would make more sense.

[Galacic01]

Does anyone have any info on the crew? Cardman, Wilson, Adenot?

[John_Marshall]

It has been confirmed that the Crew-11 crew will include a cosmonaut. See my post in Flight Crew Assignments.
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=740.msg2652343#msg2652343

[Galacic01]

It is known when NASA will announce the crew and whether we can expect partners like JAXA or CSA because I do not count on ESA, they have an assignment in 2026

[ddspaceman]

Katya Pavlushchenko
@katlinegrey
‼️ Changes in #ISS crews in 2025 and 2026 due to the new crew exchange agreement between Roscosmos and NASA:
#SoyuzMS28: Sergey Kud-Sverchkov, Sergey Mikaev, Christopher Williams
#Crew11: + Oleg Platonov
#SoyuzMS29: Petr Dubrov, Anna Kikina, Anil Menon
#Crew12: + Oleg Artemiev

https://twitter.com/katlinegrey/status/1887787918460080146

[ddspaceman]

https://www.gctc.ru/main.php?id=7003
GT:
Rating 5.0: this is how the commission noted the work of cosmonaut Oleg Platonov during the exam complex training
| Crews
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During the examination complex training (ECT), CTC specialists sum up the results of the pre-flight training of astronauts and assess their readiness to perform work on board the International Space Station.

The examination committee analyzes how skillfully the cosmonaut uses the life support systems of the Russian segment of the station and how he copes with emergency situations that arise. Which of them will have to be countered during ECT, Oleg Platonov learned from the exam card.

His working day on the simulator of the Russian segment of the ISS began as usual. The cosmonaut inspected the station and rebooted all the laptops, tested the alarm consoles - the crew performs all these operations daily during a real flight on board.

Further, according to the ECT program, the astronaut had a daily planning conference with the MCC; in this case, this role was performed by the instructor team, during which the flight program for the upcoming working day was discussed. Then Oleg Platonov began standard operations at the “station” and performing experiments. During the training, the astronaut took a break for lunch and also recorded a video message.

More than once Oleg had to interrupt the work planned in the cyclogram due to emergency situations that arose, which were introduced by the instructors. So the astronaut was faced with a lack of communication between the Russian and American segments of the station, which he successfully restored.

Further, when the Electron oxygen supply system was turned on, the valve did not open and the astronaut performed this operation manually. Also, due to overheating, there was a malfunction in the interface duplication unit (IRU) and the “toilet” broke down - it was necessary to change the water container for flushing. Oleg Platonov successfully eliminated all four emergency situations.

And at the end of the training, an accident occurred - depressurization on the ISS RS.  The crew finds out in which compartment this happened using algorithms for searching for a leaky compartment. Oleg Platonov discovered an air leak in the PCS compartment. He stopped the pressure drop by isolating the emergency compartment, so there was no need to evacuate the crew from the “station”.

“In general, the ECT went very well, the cosmonaut worked in a focused manner, and the examination committee noted the competence of his actions. As a result, Oleg Platonov received a grade of 5.0,” cosmonaut training specialist Alena Basova reported the results of the complex examination training.

Let us remind you that Oleg Platonov is currently undergoing training as a backup for Kirill Peskov, a specialist on the SpaceX Crew-10 mission, the launch of which is scheduled for March 2025.

[StraumliBlight]

Steve Stich said today that "Crew-11 will launch as early as mid July".

[TJL]

Any reason why Crew-10 will fly a shortened 4 month mission?
Couldn't they launch Crew-11 in the September time frame to maintain the 6 month increment for "10"?

[John_Marshall]

Any reason why Crew-10 will fly a shortened 4 month mission?
Couldn't they launch Crew-11 in the September time frame to maintain the 6 month increment for "10"?

I've been wondering that myself. I think NASA has been trying to keep the Soyuz and USCV flights from launching and landing so close to each other, but I don't know. That being said, this does not mean that Crew-10 will necessarily end up flying for just four months. I seem to recall something similar happening with Crew-4 and Crew-5 (maybe a four or five-month Crew-4?), but Crew-4 ended up lasting 170 days.

[cwr]

Any reason why Crew-10 will fly a shortened 4 month mission?
Couldn't they launch Crew-11 in the September time frame to maintain the 6 month increment for "10"?

I've been wondering that myself. I think NASA has been trying to keep the Soyuz and USCV flights from launching and landing so close to each other, but I don't know. That being said, this does not mean that Crew-10 will necessarily end up flying for just four months. I seem to recall something similar happening with Crew-4 and Crew-5 (maybe a four or five-month Crew-4?), but Crew-4 ended up lasting 170 days.

This was explained in the press briefing following Crew 9 return today.
There are 2 IDSS docking ports on the ISS.
Crew 10 occupies one of them  and will continue to do so until it is relieved by Crew 11.
There is a forthcoming Cargo Dragon [I think CRS-33] which needs to occupy an IDSS
docking port for an extended experiment in reboosting the ISS.
Thats why crew 10 needs to be relieved by crew 11 before that Cargo Dragon docks
which will preclude a handover until after the experiment is done.

Carl

[DanClemmensen]

Any reason why Crew-10 will fly a shortened 4 month mission?
Couldn't they launch Crew-11 in the September time frame to maintain the 6 month increment for "10"?

I've been wondering that myself. I think NASA has been trying to keep the Soyuz and USCV flights from launching and landing so close to each other, but I don't know. That being said, this does not mean that Crew-10 will necessarily end up flying for just four months. I seem to recall something similar happening with Crew-4 and Crew-5 (maybe a four or five-month Crew-4?), but Crew-4 ended up lasting 170 days.

This was explained in the press briefing following Crew 9 return today.
There are 2 IDSS docking ports on the ISS.
Crew 10 occupies one of them  and will continue to do so until it is relieved by Crew 11.
There is a forthcoming Cargo Dragon [I think CRS-33] which needs to occupy an IDSS
docking port for an extended experiment in reboosting the ISS.
Thats why crew 10 needs to be relieved by crew 11 before that Cargo Dragon docks
which will preclude a handover until after the experiment is done.

Carl

I wondered about that explanation. It seemed like the "extended reboost" Cargo Dragon could undock an loiter near ISS to free up the port for the crew handover, and then re-dock after the handover is complete.

[John_Marshall]

This was explained in the press briefing following Crew 9 return today.
There are 2 IDSS docking ports on the ISS.
Crew 10 occupies one of them  and will continue to do so until it is relieved by Crew 11.
There is a forthcoming Cargo Dragon [I think CRS-33] which needs to occupy an IDSS
docking port for an extended experiment in reboosting the ISS.
Thats why crew 10 needs to be relieved by crew 11 before that Cargo Dragon docks
which will preclude a handover until after the experiment is done.

Oh, cool. Thanks!

[DanClemmensen]

Any reason why Crew-10 will fly a shortened 4 month mission?
Couldn't they launch Crew-11 in the September time frame to maintain the 6 month increment for "10"?

I've been wondering that myself. I think NASA has been trying to keep the Soyuz and USCV flights from launching and landing so close to each other, but I don't know. That being said, this does not mean that Crew-10 will necessarily end up flying for just four months. I seem to recall something similar happening with Crew-4 and Crew-5 (maybe a four or five-month Crew-4?), but Crew-4 ended up lasting 170 days.

This was explained in the press briefing following Crew 9 return today.
There are 2 IDSS docking ports on the ISS.
Crew 10 occupies one of them  and will continue to do so until it is relieved by Crew 11.
There is a forthcoming Cargo Dragon [I think CRS-33] which needs to occupy an IDSS
docking port for an extended experiment in reboosting the ISS.
Thats why crew 10 needs to be relieved by crew 11 before that Cargo Dragon docks
which will preclude a handover until after the experiment is done.

Carl

This is the first time I recall hearing about an "extended reboost" test, or a Cargo Dragon with an "extended reboost trunk". Did I miss something? I suppose a very long reboost might imply low-power thrusters (electric?) mounted in that trunk.

[Bean Kenobi]

From SpX CRS-33 thread :

I believe they said that C206 (which is a Crew Dragon, not a Cargo Dragon) would likely be the capsule for Crew-11, not CRS-33.

This means Crew-11 is Endeavour.