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Re: Rocket Lab General Discussion Thread
« Reply #40 on: 04/27/2019 11:43 am »
Apparently In-Q-Tel, the CIA's VC arm, has an investment in Rocket Lab USA Inc.:-

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2803266-Iqtdoc.html

On Page 5 Rocket Lab is listed as a portfolio capability i.e. a portfolio investment.
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Re: Rocket Lab General Discussion Thread
« Reply #41 on: 04/28/2019 03:54 am »
« Last Edit: 04/29/2019 12:42 am by Lar »
Akin's Laws of Spacecraft Design #1:  Engineering is done with numbers.  Analysis without numbers is only an opinion.

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Re: Rocket Lab General Discussion Thread
« Reply #42 on: 05/17/2019 06:06 pm »
witter.com/rocketlab/status/1126301826658136064

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Last week's STP-27RD mission was our 6th Electron launch! We've now deployed 28 satellites to orbit for innovative organizations including NASA, Planet, DARPA, Spire, the U.S. Air Force's Space Test Program, and many more. We can't wait to share what's next on our 2019 manifest!

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« Reply #43 on: 05/19/2019 07:22 pm »
The industry is quite competitive (which is good), but I do appreciate the congrats the leaders send one another.
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Re: Rocket Lab General Discussion Thread
« Reply #44 on: 05/27/2019 11:05 am »
Interview with Peter.
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Re: Rocket Lab General Discussion Thread
« Reply #45 on: 05/29/2019 07:10 am »
Kleos Satellite Launch Window Confirmed For August
Stephen Kuper
29 May 2019

ASX-listed Kleos Space, a provider of space-powered radio frequency reconnaissance data, is confirmed for an August 2019 launch on a Rocket Lab Electron.
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All four satellites have successfully completed all the necessary checks with Rocket Lab’s in-house designed and built Maxwell dispenser, which is used for deployment from the Electron kick stage to low-Earth orbit.

https://www.spaceconnectonline.com.au/launch/3416-kleos-satellites-launch-window-confirmed-for-august
« Last Edit: 05/29/2019 07:12 am by Steven Pietrobon »
Akin's Laws of Spacecraft Design #1:  Engineering is done with numbers.  Analysis without numbers is only an opinion.

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Re: Rocket Lab General Discussion Thread
« Reply #46 on: 06/07/2019 05:43 pm »
In response to The Spinoff’s coverage of Rocket Lab’s US military connections, the head of New Zealand’s space agency, Peter Crabtree, wants to assure New Zealanders it is in full control of what goes into space.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/business/06-06-2019/managing-risk-and-reward-in-new-zealands-emerging-space-sector/?amp

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Re: Rocket Lab General Discussion Thread
« Reply #47 on: 06/07/2019 06:01 pm »
While RL is USA operated company with most of tax likely paid to US government not NZ. They have still be great investment for NZ government which help fund them.

RL outsource quite a bit to local businesses, wiring looms and machined parts as couple of examples. These a NZ  companies that pay NZ taxes. There is all the staff taxes which in way are better than  business taxes as businesses always find loop holes to reduce their tax bill.

Long term I can see some RL employees starting their own aerospace startups locally. This will in turn grow local aerospace talent pool which in turn attracts more startups. We've seen this happen with Auckland boat building industry,  silicon valley and SpaceX.

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Re: Rocket Lab General Discussion Thread
« Reply #48 on: 06/09/2019 05:46 am »
While RL is USA operated company with most of tax likely paid to US government not NZ. They have still be great investment for NZ government which help fund them.

RL outsource quite a bit to local businesses, wiring looms and machined parts as couple of examples. These a NZ  companies that pay NZ taxes. There is all the staff taxes which in way are better than  business taxes as businesses always find loop holes to reduce their tax bill.

Long term I can see some RL employees starting their own aerospace startups locally. This will in turn grow local aerospace talent pool which in turn attracts more startups. We've seen this happen with Auckland boat building industry,  silicon valley and SpaceX.

Hopefully at least a few of them will come over to Oz.. where the pay is better.   8)
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Re: Rocket Lab General Discussion Thread
« Reply #49 on: 06/21/2019 07:05 pm »
Interesting interview with Peter Beck:

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613792/rocket-lab-the-small-firm-that-launched-the-3d-printed-space-revolution/

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How do you think that will affect Rocket Lab?
We’re in a very unique position, as we’re the only people flying right now. So we’re seeing a huge amount of demanifesting of other paper rocket companies [companies that have yet to fly their rockets] onto us, because people are starting to realize that these companies that they bought launches with are years and years away from actually flying. The road to first flight is brutal, but the road post first flight, into production, is equally as brutal.
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Re: Rocket Lab General Discussion Thread
« Reply #50 on: 06/25/2019 08:52 am »
Interesting interview with Peter Beck:

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613792/rocket-lab-the-small-firm-that-launched-the-3d-printed-space-revolution/

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How do you think that will affect Rocket Lab?
We’re in a very unique position, as we’re the only people flying right now. So we’re seeing a huge amount of demanifesting of other paper rocket companies [companies that have yet to fly their rockets] onto us, because people are starting to realize that these companies that they bought launches with are years and years away from actually flying. The road to first flight is brutal, but the road post first flight, into production, is equally as brutal.

The only people flying right now? Is he ignoring Long March 11?
« Last Edit: 06/25/2019 08:53 am by high road »

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Re: Rocket Lab General Discussion Thread
« Reply #51 on: 06/25/2019 09:27 am »
Interesting interview with Peter Beck:

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613792/rocket-lab-the-small-firm-that-launched-the-3d-printed-space-revolution/

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How do you think that will affect Rocket Lab?
We’re in a very unique position, as we’re the only people flying right now. So we’re seeing a huge amount of demanifesting of other paper rocket companies [companies that have yet to fly their rockets] onto us, because people are starting to realize that these companies that they bought launches with are years and years away from actually flying. The road to first flight is brutal, but the road post first flight, into production, is equally as brutal.

The only people flying right now? Is he ignoring Long March 11?
The quote has been taken out of the context of the article which is about 3D printing and is referring only to the US payload market and launcher race/bubble.

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« Reply #52 on: 06/25/2019 10:36 am »
Interesting interview with Peter Beck:

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613792/rocket-lab-the-small-firm-that-launched-the-3d-printed-space-revolution/

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How do you think that will affect Rocket Lab?
We’re in a very unique position, as we’re the only people flying right now. So we’re seeing a huge amount of demanifesting of other paper rocket companies [companies that have yet to fly their rockets] onto us, because people are starting to realize that these companies that they bought launches with are years and years away from actually flying. The road to first flight is brutal, but the road post first flight, into production, is equally as brutal.

The only people flying right now? Is he ignoring Long March 11?
The quote has been taken out of the context of the article which is about 3D printing and is referring only to the US payload market and launcher race/bubble.
Pegasus.
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Re: Rocket Lab General Discussion Thread
« Reply #53 on: 06/25/2019 01:06 pm »
Interesting interview with Peter Beck:

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613792/rocket-lab-the-small-firm-that-launched-the-3d-printed-space-revolution/

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How do you think that will affect Rocket Lab?
We’re in a very unique position, as we’re the only people flying right now. So we’re seeing a huge amount of demanifesting of other paper rocket companies [companies that have yet to fly their rockets] onto us, because people are starting to realize that these companies that they bought launches with are years and years away from actually flying. The road to first flight is brutal, but the road post first flight, into production, is equally as brutal.

The only people flying right now? Is he ignoring Long March 11?
The quote has been taken out of the context of the article which is about 3D printing and is referring only to the US payload market and launcher race/bubble.
Pegasus.

Pegasus is in an entirely different market because its price is ~10x more than Electron. And does one flight in the last 6 years really count as flying "right now"?

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« Reply #54 on: 06/25/2019 02:13 pm »
Interesting interview with Peter Beck:

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613792/rocket-lab-the-small-firm-that-launched-the-3d-printed-space-revolution/

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How do you think that will affect Rocket Lab?
We’re in a very unique position, as we’re the only people flying right now. So we’re seeing a huge amount of demanifesting of other paper rocket companies [companies that have yet to fly their rockets] onto us, because people are starting to realize that these companies that they bought launches with are years and years away from actually flying. The road to first flight is brutal, but the road post first flight, into production, is equally as brutal.

The only people flying right now? Is he ignoring Long March 11?
The quote has been taken out of the context of the article which is about 3D printing and is referring only to the US payload market and launcher race/bubble.
Pegasus.

I think Minotaur I feels left out. :p

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Re: Rocket Lab General Discussion Thread
« Reply #55 on: 06/25/2019 02:59 pm »
Interesting interview with Peter Beck:

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613792/rocket-lab-the-small-firm-that-launched-the-3d-printed-space-revolution/

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How do you think that will affect Rocket Lab?
We’re in a very unique position, as we’re the only people flying right now. So we’re seeing a huge amount of demanifesting of other paper rocket companies [companies that have yet to fly their rockets] onto us, because people are starting to realize that these companies that they bought launches with are years and years away from actually flying. The road to first flight is brutal, but the road post first flight, into production, is equally as brutal.

The only people flying right now? Is he ignoring Long March 11?
The quote has been taken out of the context of the article which is about 3D printing and is referring only to the US payload market and launcher race/bubble.
Pegasus.

Pegasus is in an entirely different market because its price is ~10x more than Electron. And does one flight in the last 6 years really count as flying "right now"?

2 flights since June 25th, 2013.

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Re: Rocket Lab General Discussion Thread
« Reply #56 on: 06/25/2019 05:01 pm »
Interesting interview with Peter Beck:

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613792/rocket-lab-the-small-firm-that-launched-the-3d-printed-space-revolution/

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How do you think that will affect Rocket Lab?
We’re in a very unique position, as we’re the only people flying right now. So we’re seeing a huge amount of demanifesting of other paper rocket companies [companies that have yet to fly their rockets] onto us, because people are starting to realize that these companies that they bought launches with are years and years away from actually flying. The road to first flight is brutal, but the road post first flight, into production, is equally as brutal.

The only people flying right now? Is he ignoring Long March 11?
The quote has been taken out of the context of the article which is about 3D printing and is referring only to the US payload market and launcher race/bubble.
Pegasus.
Again IMO Beck is referring to only rockets with 3D printing, liquid fuel and new launchers governed under the VCLS, AFRL, NRL, DARPA development programmes et al.

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Re: Rocket Lab General Discussion Thread
« Reply #57 on: 06/25/2019 06:14 pm »
Interesting interview with Peter Beck:

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613792/rocket-lab-the-small-firm-that-launched-the-3d-printed-space-revolution/

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How do you think that will affect Rocket Lab?
We’re in a very unique position, as we’re the only people flying right now. So we’re seeing a huge amount of demanifesting of other paper rocket companies [companies that have yet to fly their rockets] onto us, because people are starting to realize that these companies that they bought launches with are years and years away from actually flying. The road to first flight is brutal, but the road post first flight, into production, is equally as brutal.

The only people flying right now? Is he ignoring Long March 11?
The quote has been taken out of the context of the article which is about 3D printing and is referring only to the US payload market and launcher race/bubble.
Pegasus.

Pegasus is in an entirely different market because its price is ~10x more than Electron. And does one flight in the last 6 years really count as flying "right now"?

2 flights since June 25th, 2013.

I'll post-date my comment to the 28th if if makes you feel better, but it doesn't change my point. Pegasus isn't flying right now, and there's clearly no market interest at that price point pushing NGIS to get it flying more than 3 times per decade.

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« Reply #58 on: 06/26/2019 07:30 am »
Interesting interview with Peter Beck:

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613792/rocket-lab-the-small-firm-that-launched-the-3d-printed-space-revolution/

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How do you think that will affect Rocket Lab?
We’re in a very unique position, as we’re the only people flying right now. So we’re seeing a huge amount of demanifesting of other paper rocket companies [companies that have yet to fly their rockets] onto us, because people are starting to realize that these companies that they bought launches with are years and years away from actually flying. The road to first flight is brutal, but the road post first flight, into production, is equally as brutal.

The only people flying right now? Is he ignoring Long March 11?
The quote has been taken out of the context of the article which is about 3D printing and is referring only to the US payload market and launcher race/bubble.
Pegasus.
Again IMO Beck is referring to only rockets with 3D printing, liquid fuel and new launchers governed under the VCLS, AFRL, NRL, DARPA development programmes et al.

I don't agree. He drops the 3D printing subject entirely in the last two questions. He isn't talking about development programmes, but about the list of companies developing small launch vehicles. He's been saying for months that those who don't launch in the next year or so, won't be able to get any market share.

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« Reply #59 on: 06/27/2019 12:54 am »
Interesting interview with Peter Beck:

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613792/rocket-lab-the-small-firm-that-launched-the-3d-printed-space-revolution/

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How do you think that will affect Rocket Lab?
We’re in a very unique position, as we’re the only people flying right now. So we’re seeing a huge amount of demanifesting of other paper rocket companies [companies that have yet to fly their rockets] onto us, because people are starting to realize that these companies that they bought launches with are years and years away from actually flying. The road to first flight is brutal, but the road post first flight, into production, is equally as brutal.

The only people flying right now? Is he ignoring Long March 11?
The quote has been taken out of the context of the article which is about 3D printing and is referring only to the US payload market and launcher race/bubble.
Pegasus.
Again IMO Beck is referring to only rockets with 3D printing, liquid fuel and new launchers governed under the VCLS, AFRL, NRL, DARPA development programmes et al.

I don't agree. He drops the 3D printing subject entirely in the last two questions. He isn't talking about development programmes, but about the list of companies developing small launch vehicles. He's been saying for months that those who don't launch in the next year or so, won't be able to get any market share.

While I agree with the marketshare window of opportunity here, there are a number of smallsat launchers that will likely become zombie launchers servicing a national function (maintaining the industrial base being an objective, rather than profitability). Sorta like how Pegasus was kept alive. As in utterly beholdened to a national space agency and military payloads.

 

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