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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #681 on: 01/22/2013 03:29 pm »
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9817187/UN-sanctions-North-Korea-space-agency-diplomat-says.html

The UN security council is about to sanction the NK space agency, preventing cooperation between their space agency and any agency from any other country. What affect do you think this will have on the safety of space operations such as coordination of orbits and other factors like radio frequency ?

The way I see it it looks like the Americans are about to shoot themselves in the foot big time. 
What is going to happen when NK no longer infoms anyone when they are going to launch another satellite? It takes japan and the US longer to move their ships and radars around than it takes NK to prepare and launch a rocket.  They will not be coordinating on radio frequency because they won't be allowed too, so I assume they might deliberately choose frequencies that will mess with US satellites that have weak signals like GPS . And we might see cheap disposable NK satellites flying across the orbits of hundred million dollar American and Japanese sats.

In a few years from now they might decide to try and operate a Internet wifi network on the same frequency, or close enough to it,  as GPS,  and at the same altitude as the international space station.

These sanctions seem very short sighted to me.  And will probably end up costing the permanent members of the security council alot more than they could ever cost North Korea.

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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #682 on: 01/25/2013 07:08 pm »
The South Korean report of January 18:

http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/nwgs/SK-report-on-NK-rocket-debris-analysis-translation-1-18-13.pdf

It seems that Unha's firs stage is controlled by 4 vernier engines rather than jet vanes.

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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #683 on: 01/25/2013 08:20 pm »
The South Korean report of January 18:

http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/nwgs/SK-report-on-NK-rocket-debris-analysis-translation-1-18-13.pdf

It seems that Unha's firs stage is controlled by 4 vernier engines rather than jet vanes.

That's surprising, among other surprises.  Unha 3 is more advanced than believed, it seems.  A coup for South Korea to grab and analyze all of this hardware.  Does anyone still believe that it can only reach California?

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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #684 on: 01/26/2013 04:46 pm »
The South Korean report of January 18:

http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/nwgs/SK-report-on-NK-rocket-debris-analysis-translation-1-18-13.pdf

It seems that Unha's firs stage is controlled by 4 vernier engines rather than jet vanes.
Other surprises include use of dual-plane separation for the interstage between stages one and two, the propellant combination, and the gross liftoff mass.  The South Koreans say kerosene (with additives) and RFNA are burned by the first stage (which produces 120 tonnes thrust with the four steering engines included).  They also claim a 91 tonne gross weight, which is heavier than previously believed. 

No graphite vanes infers better specific impulse than previously believed.  The tank structure appears lighter than previously thought.  It all adds up to longer range and more payload than expected.  (Surprise.)   

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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #685 on: 01/28/2013 11:48 pm »
Yes, SURPRISE, And not a good SURPRISE. Let me just add a little quote from a book I am now reading... FIRST MAN, The Life of Neil A. Armstrong. From Chapter 15, remarking on the launch and orbit of Sputnik... "President Eisenhower was saying something like, 'What's the worry? It's just one small ball.' But I'm sure that was a facade behind which he had substantial concerns, because if they could put something into orbit, they could put a nuclear weapon on a target in the United States."

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I like to watch... satellites

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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #686 on: 01/29/2013 09:23 am »
From
http://japanese.joins.com/article/453/165453.html
http://mainichi.jp/select/news/20130104k0000m030086000c.html

North Korea exhibited the model of the Unha 9 believed to be an advanced type of the Unha 3 on December 21, 2012.

Additional development of a long-distance rocket and the will of the launch were shown anew.

The 1st secretary of Mr. Kim Jongun held the party for the scientist and engineer related to a satellite launch in this day in Pyongyang.

And the model in which length was extended from the Unha 3 was exhibited in this seat.

As for a photograph, in the right, the Unha 3 left is the Unha 9.

Touch on that the year began and scientists took the commemorative photo with the 1st secretary of Mr. Kim Jongun on January 3.They were said that  "it responds to Mr. Kim Jongun's love and reliance by many satellite launch.
we launched to the Unha 9 at a stretch."

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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #687 on: 01/30/2013 08:50 am »
Thanks blister! That's a great find. Here's a side by side comparison of Unha 9 and Unha 3. I measure a first stage tank length of 198 pixels for Unha 9 and 166 pixels for Unha 3. I increased the size of Unha 3 by 9% so that it matched the same diameter of Unha 9 of 36 pixels. Assuming a diameter of 2.4 m, this gives a first stage length increase of 2.1 m.
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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #688 on: 01/30/2013 05:26 pm »
Here's a side by side comparison of Unha 9 and Unha 3. I measure a first stage tank length of 198 pixels for Unha 9 and 166 pixels for Unha 3. I increased the size of Unha 3 by 9% so that it matched the same diameter of Unha 9 of 36 pixels. Assuming a diameter of 2.4 m, this gives a first stage length increase of 2.1 m.
According to analysis of LH2NH3 of Japan, the fuel of the Unha 3 is nitric acid and kerosene, and the length ratio of a tank is about 2:1, but the tank of the Unha 9 has up-and-down length together.
It seems that fuel becomes UDMH/NTO from the Unha 9 since tank volume is generally near in case of UDMH/NTO.

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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #689 on: 01/30/2013 10:45 pm »
According to analysis of LH2NH3 of Japan, the fuel of the Unha 3 is nitric acid and kerosene, and the length ratio of a tank is about 2:1, but the tank of the Unha 9 has up-and-down length together.
It seems that fuel becomes UDMH/NTO from the Unha 9 since tank volume is generally near in case of UDMH/NTO.

Wonder why the Japanese site assume 10 main engines on the 1st stage of the Unha 9. Maybe the DPRK sort of borrow the Falcon 9 V1.1 engine layout of 8 engines in octagon pattern with single engine in the middle.

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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #690 on: 02/03/2013 05:23 pm »
Wonder why the Japanese site assume 10 main engines on the 1st stage of the Unha 9. Maybe the DPRK sort of borrow the Falcon 9 V1.1 engine layout of 8 engines in octagon pattern with single engine in the middle.

That picture is not Japanese site ,from south Korean site.
http://www.wetgeo.com/webboard_detail.php?webID=3748

America's site 's picture is here.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/images/nkir-td-3-lv-2012.jpg

The article is here.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/td-3.htm

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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #691 on: 02/04/2013 01:59 am »
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2013/02/04/0200000000AEN20130204003400315.HTML

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N. Korea internally promoting latest long-range rocket as ballistic missile
SEOUL, Feb. 4 (Yonhap) -- North Korea exhibited the fuselage of what is presumed to be the long-range rocket it launched in December, and explicitly called it a ballistic missile, despite its claims to the outside world that the Unha-3 was part of its peaceful space development program, a report said Monday.

If indeed true that the North is showing off the launcher inside the country to their people and telling the people its a ballistic missile rather then just a space launcher gives credence to South Korea's report that the launcher was mainly a test of ICBM parts and was ballistic missile test launch.

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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #692 on: 02/04/2013 04:23 am »
Thanks blister. Looks like someone took Charles Vick's drawing and decided to call that very large speculative launch vehicle Unha 9. However, all the photo shows of Unha 9 is that it is an Unha 3 with a first stage stretch of 2 m. It may well be that Unha 9 has a larger diameter, or it may look completely different. We probably won't know until North Korea releases some photos of the actual Unha 9 launch vehicle.
« Last Edit: 02/04/2013 04:24 am by Steven Pietrobon »
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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #693 on: 02/04/2013 04:38 am »
That launch tower in picture is incorrect, there are only one set of stairs on the launch tower, and that is located at the back of tower by the elevator..

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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #694 on: 02/04/2013 07:48 am »
According to analysis of ha-shingi, seemingly North Korea began to launch the
Unha 4, this year, and, eventually, it aims at the landing on the moon in the Unha 9.

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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #695 on: 02/04/2013 08:14 am »
eventually, it aims at the landing on the moon in the Unha 9.


South Korea is working on Moon orbiters and landers to be launched during the 20s using the KSLV-2 and I would have been surprised it NK was not doing the same

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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #696 on: 02/04/2013 05:54 pm »
eventually, it aims at the landing on the moon in the Unha 9.


South Korea is working on Moon orbiters and landers to be launched during the 20s using the KSLV-2 and I would have been surprised it NK was not doing the same
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India can be expected that the north while further develop the design technology of the satellite, and will produce a lunar satellite artificial launched by Mass No. Chang drain Anne 1 spacecraft is so 1,380 kg, the north artificial drama "October 13. 1994 would be if creating a No. 9 star Guangming heavier than about 14 times more than No. 2, No. 3, Star Light India was the first successful rocket launch "satellite is to note launched the spacecraft month after 14 years of it. Here, the figure of the No. 2, No. 3, Star Light that appeared in the documentary film that was aired in the north of this even at first glance, is. figure, it is thought that the figure of No. 1, No. 3, Star Light that failed to launch in April left the No. 2, No. 3, Star Light, compared to No. 1, No. 3, Star Light Video. that looks quite different So, I have to figure the device more complex is on and that the more sophisticated, since the failure in April this year and put a lot of effort and further between 8 months, this is who fabrication technology satellite in the north, earth with spirit spirit scientist, who was in charge of space development projects in the north. you are telling that it has greatly improved the performance of observation satellites, engineers who like that, you take 14 years of Indian Space Research Organization is (ISRO) Technical Committee Space Korea must develop more applications satellite in spirit mind and chairman first. Kim Jung Eun probably good command launched by the No. 2, No. 3, Star Light for the first time in seven years that was According to reports on November 22 <Chosenchuotsushin> 2012, there is a launch pad to launch a rocket carrying extra-large must be recalled that the emphasis in his speech 12.21 and. grade 400t, to the general meeting of the 67th United Nations General Assembly I made it clear representative north who participated and that "I'll shoot continued application satellite various essential to the economic development of the country, including the geostationary satellite to expand and strengthen the space agency along the space program" National North in his speech, in the press on December 12, 2012, and see it has been pointed out that the north has been put into practice the "five-year plan for space development." this point, <Shimpo Korea> The North 2, No. 3, Star Light in 2012 Since the launch of the Unit, in the process of promoting the five years to 2016 from 2012 a "five-year plan for space development", that launched to No. 9 from No. 4 stars enlightenment is to be expected. 5 space development, "This What would it be in the year 2017 year plan "over ends? If you hope to promote sequential, North launch No. 10 galaxies begin planning five-year space development second in 2017, carrying the No. 10 Star Light course. going to be raising, is planning to promote space development projects more developed than the five-year plan for space exploration following the first. Northern Five-Year Plan for Space Development second start, in this respect in 2017 April 8, 2012, it is necessary to recall the statement of the person responsible for the total field satellite launch Saikai Jean Myung Jin came out Coverage April 10, interviewed at the scene launch site satellite Saikai <Shimpo Korea> 2012 According to there. he told reporters, is "we're going to launch a geostationary satellite in the near future" north, "going to be in a outlook'll launch to space ship manned" with the launch of Earth observation satellites in geostationary satellite launch (communications satellite), followed by future lunar exploration satellite launch, the fact that. remark of his, North Korea's space program, continues until after launch manned space ship remarks in his future it is not exaggeration I can be that he did notice that. northern launch an airship manned space, he is on the launch airship manned space? Will he wrote exaggerated in front of reporters According to where you can hear from the size of the rental facilities Satellite Launch the West Sea. he told reporters, that is, launch pad launch site satellite Yellow Sea has been designed so that it can fire rockets carrying very large class 400t it. height of the launch pad that is not less than 50m. He was described as a rocket carrying supersized actually, not a rocket carrying to put a satellite if the rocket carrying class 400t, a rocket carrying put the airship manned space April 12. 1961 there, attended the Soviet Union during the 48 minutes for 1 hour, and has a space flight flying into space on board (Yuri Gagarin ,1934-1968) Yuri Gagarin's first astronaut humanity mass number (Vostok) 1 is a 5.9t Bosutoku space ship, a two-stage boss code that carried into space on board the airship manned space transport rocket (Voskhod) is length 30.84m 2.99m diameter booster, the first stage, means that it has developed a rocket powerful engine blowing thrust the Soviet Union of the time to launch a rocket carrying airship manned space 304.3t total mass. however, was 298.4t mass. This is because the launch pad launch site satellite Yellow Sea, the first. Kim Jung Eun So what if there I be able to launch a rocket carrying the mass is also the 400t,'s to retention made stronger large as that with the prospect of launch manned space flight future what this Of course, satellite moon exploration, to plan space conquest of the Chairman 1, it appears that it contains is unlikely to launch until the airship manned space, model No. 9 galaxy, which was built next to the stage of banquet 12.21, the is not a model rocket carrying put the airship manned space. chairman first Kim Jong-un, and model No. 9 galactic conquest of space of the circle to be launched on board an airship manned space No. 10 galaxy rocket carrying a new type of produce completely different period. probably trying to achieve is 10 years from 2012 through 2022 the construction instruction of dying universe powers transferred to step through the initiative, National Defense Commission Chairman Kim Jong Il left behind.

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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #697 on: 02/05/2013 05:16 am »
Man, that was a lot to go through. A brief summary:

Unha 4 and 5 to launch Earth observation satellites.
Unha 6, 7 and 8 to launch communication satellites.
Unha 9 to launch Lunar orbiter.

Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter launch on Atlas V and Chandrayan 1 on PSLV were mentioned as examples.

Unha 9 to have a length of 50 m and a diameter greater than or equal to 3 m.

Unha 3 has 2.4 m diameter, mass of 91 t and thrust of 120 t.

Unha 10 from 2017 to launch geostationary satellites and crewed vehicles. Mass of 400 t.
Akin's Laws of Spacecraft Design #1:  Engineering is done with numbers.  Analysis without numbers is only an opinion.

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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #698 on: 02/06/2013 09:28 am »
A rather surreal North Korean propaganda video, starring the Unha 3 rocket, a North Korean space shuttle and a burning American city...

http://www.liveleak.com/ view?i=203_1360053143 [remove space]
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Re: Kwangmyongsong-3, Unha-3 launch, December 12 2012
« Reply #699 on: 02/08/2013 02:30 am »
Thanks blister. Looks like someone took Charles Vick's drawing and decided to call that very large speculative launch vehicle Unha 9. However, all the photo shows of Unha 9 is that it is an Unha 3 with a first stage stretch of 2 m. It may well be that Unha 9 has a larger diameter, or it may look completely different. We probably won't know until North Korea releases some photos of the actual Unha 9 launch vehicle.

We can get some clues from the pad gantry height, and from when the VAB is built at the south end of the launch apron, where the twin rail lines run from the current pad.

 

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