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The USSF SLD45 5SLS Squadron has released the mission patch for the USSF-44 mission.
https://twitter.com/ticklestuffyo/status/1473099104167333890
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https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/?search=SpaceX

Has this flight as March.

If like Nova-C it was saying February, I would think this just means early 2022 or Q1 2022 and we know it isn't flying in Jan so earliest it can go is Feb.

Not sure how Feb can be ruled out so perhaps this March date is based on some information?

https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-first-west-coast-launch-2022/

Eric Ralph stating "On the same list of upcoming military launches, Falcon Heavy’s USSF-44 mission was targeted for October 9th – now NET March 2022 due to payload issues"

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https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-first-west-coast-launch-2022/

Eric Ralph stating "On the same list of upcoming military launches, Falcon Heavy’s USSF-44 mission was targeted for October 9th – now NET March 2022 due to payload issues"

Yes, I've heard NET March 2022 is the current target. Liable to slip further, though. I wouldn't put any weight on a USSF-44 launch target until the spacecraft is/are on a truck or plane to Florida.

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https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-first-west-coast-launch-2022/

Eric Ralph stating "On the same list of upcoming military launches, Falcon Heavy’s USSF-44 mission was targeted for October 9th – now NET March 2022 due to payload issues"
Yes, I've heard NET March 2022 is the current target. Liable to slip further, though. I wouldn't put any weight on a USSF-44 launch target until the spacecraft is/are on a truck or plane to Florida.
And as we don't know what the primary payload or payloads are, we may be limited to any commentary from the secondary payloads' manufacturers, owners, etc.
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Cross-post; my bold:
With JRTI back in the que. The FH mission can go forward if the payload is ready. But once you get past the mid Mar for a launch date. All of the Crew Dragon and cargo Dragon flights one right after another would mean that it is either now (after the 3 Mar flight) or mid to late May.

Is there info as to if the payload is ready or not?
USSF-44 is not happening until next quarter [Q2 2022] at the earliest.

Assuming USSF-52 still follows USSF-44, it would now be NET June [2022]?

How long is a Falcon Heavy launch campaign?
Edit: 40 days from Crew DM1 to Arabsat-6A, in 2019, is the minimum thus far.
I assume/hope it will take less time now?
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Cross-post re: next two Falcon Heavy launches:
https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/
[March 9 update]
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2nd Quarter • Falcon Heavy • USSF 44
Launch time: TBD
Launch site: LC-39A, Kennedy Space Center, Florida
...
Mid-2022 • Falcon Heavy • USSF 52
Launch time: TBD
Launch site: LC-39A, Kennedy Space Center, Florida
USSF-44 launching before or after Dragon SpX-25?

(SpX-25 launches in June.  LC-39A is open after Crew-4 launches on April 15.  Time for one Falcon Heavy launch campaign?)

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USSF-44 launching before or after Dragon SpX-25?

If CRS-25 has actually been pushed back for OFT-2, a May 2022 launch might not be implausible for USSF-44

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Spaceflight Now and NextSpaceFlight show this launch for June 2022
https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1507476762116112393
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The next several currently known LC-39A launches:
Crew Dragon Axiom-1  Falcon 9           April 8 6
Crew Dragon Crew-4    Falcon 9           April 19
<1 or 2 Starlink launches?>
Cargo Dragon SpX-25  Falcon 9           June 7
USSF-44                         Falcon Heavy  NET June
Psyche                           Falcon Heavy  August 1 (interplanetary launches generally have highest priority)
ViaSat-3 Americas       Falcon Heavy   NET August 15
Crew-5                           Falcon 9           September 1
IM-1 (Nova-C)               Falcon 9           Q3
USSF-52                        Falcon Heavy   October

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The next few currently known LC-39A launches:
Crew Dragon Axiom-1  April 6
Crew Dragon Crew-4    April 19
<1 or 2 Starlink launches?>
Cargo Dragon SpX-25  June 7
USSF-44                         NET June
Psyche                           August 1 (interplanetary launches generally have highest priority)

I'm sure SpaceX would appreciate reducing the number of times they have to convert to and from the FH configuraiton.

At least we know the Psyche launch is pretty fixed on it's date.  The other FH launches are sliding to the right, hard.
We very much need orbiter missions to Neptune and Uranus.  The cruise will be long, so we best get started.

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Next Spaceflight, updated April 23, lists the three Falcon Heavy boosters:
1064.1, side, landing on Just Read the Instructions
1065.1, side, landing on A Shortfall of Gravitas
1066.1, center, expendable



The next several currently known LC-39A launches:

Crew Dragon Crew-4    Falcon 9           April 27

Starlink 4-17                  Falcon 9           May 6 5 8

<Starlink launch here? (Starlink 4-18?)>
Starlink 4-18                  Falcon 9           May 21

Cargo Dragon SpX-25  Falcon 9           June 7

USSF-44                         Falcon Heavy  late June

Psyche                           Falcon Heavy  August 1 (interplanetary launches generally have highest priority)

Crew-5                           Falcon 9           September 1

ViaSat-3 Americas       Falcon Heavy  NET September

IM-1 (Nova-C)               Falcon 9           Q4 Q3

USSF-52                        Falcon Heavy   NET October

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SFN Launch Schedule update, April 28 (one of many updates today):
USSF-44 launch in late June
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A brand new center core that’s expended is a BOM variant.
Omit:  Legs, grid fins, thrusters, engine restart. Is that it?

It still feels like a waste, but it’s stripped down. So it’s a much bigger cost impact to unexpectedly lose a regular booster

A brand new center core that’s expended is a BOM variant.
Omit:  Legs, grid fins, thrusters, engine restart. Is that it?

It still feels like a waste, but it’s stripped down. So it’s a much bigger cost impact to unexpectedly lose a regular booster
Largely that's about it probably. There would be some sub components such as COPVs which store the pressurized gas which is supposed to be expanded into the Landing legs and RCS thrusters ,also the actuators and supporting structure for grid fins, Any additional materials which are used to protect the engine Section during re-entry.

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A brand new center core that’s expended is a BOM variant.
Omit:  Legs, grid fins, thrusters, engine restart. Is that it?

It still feels like a waste, but it’s stripped down. So it’s a much bigger cost impact to unexpectedly lose a regular booster
Largely that's about it probably. There would be some sub components such as COPVs which store the pressurized gas which is supposed to be expanded into the Landing legs and RCS thrusters ,also the actuators and supporting structure for grid fins, Any additional materials which are used to protect the engine Section during re-entry.
For an expended center Falcon Heavy core. Can SpaceX stripped out the avionics and control units with command residing only in the upper stage like with legacy booster cores?

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A brand new center core that’s expended is a BOM variant.
Omit:  Legs, grid fins, thrusters, engine restart. Is that it?

It still feels like a waste, but it’s stripped down. So it’s a much bigger cost impact to unexpectedly lose a regular booster
Largely that's about it probably. There would be some sub components such as COPVs which store the pressurized gas which is supposed to be expanded into the Landing legs and RCS thrusters ,also the actuators and supporting structure for grid fins, Any additional materials which are used to protect the engine Section during re-entry.
For an expended center Falcon Heavy core. Can SpaceX stripped out the avionics and control units with command residing only in the upper stage like with legacy booster cores?

It would probably cost more in labor costs to rework the existing configuration, and worse, could potentially impact the launch vehicle configuration approval for USSF/natsec launches, costing more time and money. Cheaper to just eat the cost of any expended hardware and bake it into the overall mission pricing structure.
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A brand new center core that’s expended is a BOM variant.
Omit:  Legs, grid fins, thrusters, engine restart. Is that it?

It still feels like a waste, but it’s stripped down. So it’s a much bigger cost impact to unexpectedly lose a regular booster
Largely that's about it probably. There would be some sub components such as COPVs which store the pressurized gas which is supposed to be expanded into the Landing legs and RCS thrusters ,also the actuators and supporting structure for grid fins, Any additional materials which are used to protect the engine Section during re-entry.
For an expended center Falcon Heavy core. Can SpaceX stripped out the avionics and control units with command residing only in the upper stage like with legacy booster cores?

It would probably cost more in labor costs to rework the existing configuration, and worse, could potentially impact the launch vehicle configuration approval for USSF/natsec launches, costing more time and money. Cheaper to just eat the cost of any expended hardware and bake it into the overall mission pricing structure.
New FH development costs, including approvals, must be amortized over the remaining FH launches, but SpaceX is pushing hard to get Starship into service, so the number of remaining FH flights is limited. If Starship fails or is substantially delayed, they can revisit the F9 and FH upgrades.

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For an expended center Falcon Heavy core. Can SpaceX stripped out the avionics and control units with command residing only in the upper stage like with legacy booster cores?
This seems the wrong way to go.

I worked in industrial equipment, not aerospace, but the non-recurring engineering costs were many orders of magnitude more than the unit cost (First working unit $100,000, each additional unit $10).  Unless they are hand building wire wrap boards, I can't imagine this does not apply.

Also, for something much smaller than a F9 I'd almost always run a couple of four wire CANbus between micro controllers than a discrete wiring harness as thick as your arm.  Heck we'd use a CANbus for three or four collocated devices at a distance of a meter.  Once you've got the processing to do the CANbus you've also got more processing power than the entire Apollo program essentially for free so there's nothing to strip out by moving software to a different box.

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