Author Topic: SpaceX Falcon Heavy - Psyche - KSC LC-39A - 13 October 2023 (14:19 UTC)  (Read 189055 times)


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Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy - Psyche - 39A - August 2022
« Reply #61 on: 06/18/2021 11:51 am »

Iím assuming at least the side boosters will be recovered. That would mean an inventory of at least 8 FH side boosters.

Considering the number of FH launches needed for Artemis and Gateway, itís not unreasonable to think they would be used for that program.

There isn't any hardware out side of SLS and Orion that is part of Artemis.  If something is launching on another vehicle, it is not part of Artemis.  Gateway is another thing.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy - Psyche - 39A - August 2022
« Reply #62 on: 06/18/2021 01:05 pm »

Iím assuming at least the side boosters will be recovered. That would mean an inventory of at least 8 FH side boosters.

Considering the number of FH launches needed for Artemis and Gateway, itís not unreasonable to think they would be used for that program.

There isn't any hardware out side of SLS and Orion that is part of Artemis.  If something is launching on another vehicle, it is not part of Artemis.  Gateway is another thing.

This is the Artemis Plan: https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/artemis_plan-20200921.pdf

It's 74 pages long and I haven't read the whole thing, but in almost the first paragraph, the major elements of the Artemis Plan are briefly listed: SLS/Orion; Lunar Gateway; Human Landing System; and the Artemis Base Camp.

If I look at how the word 'Artemis' is being used, it is not being used in a way that is consistent with it being only a reference to SLS/Orion.  Or to put it another way, if Artemis is just another way of saying SLS/Orion, then that never happens in the first few paragraphs.  Instead if the author wants to talk about SLS/Orion then the author says that, while 'Artemis plan' (or in other documents the "Artemis Project") means all of these things together.

And here's an example: "NASA will work with Artemis providers to ensure spacecraft are built to international interoperability standards with as many reusable components as possible for long-term sustainability at the Moon."
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Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy - Psyche - 39A - August 2022
« Reply #63 on: 06/18/2021 01:34 pm »

Iím assuming at least the side boosters will be recovered. That would mean an inventory of at least 8 FH side boosters.

Considering the number of FH launches needed for Artemis and Gateway, itís not unreasonable to think they would be used for that program.

There isn't any hardware out side of SLS and Orion that is part of Artemis.  If something is launching on another vehicle, it is not part of Artemis.  Gateway is another thing.

This is the Artemis Plan: https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/artemis_plan-20200921.pdf

It's 74 pages long and I haven't read the whole thing, but in almost the first paragraph, the major elements of the Artemis Plan are briefly listed: SLS/Orion; Lunar Gateway; Human Landing System; and the Artemis Base Camp.

If I look at how the word 'Artemis' is being used, it is not being used in a way that is consistent with it being only a reference to SLS/Orion.  Or to put it another way, if Artemis is just another way of saying SLS/Orion, then that never happens in the first few paragraphs.  Instead if the author wants to talk about SLS/Orion then the author says that, while 'Artemis plan' (or in other documents the "Artemis Project") means all of these things together.

And here's an example: "NASA will work with Artemis providers to ensure spacecraft are built to international interoperability standards with as many reusable components as possible for long-term sustainability at the Moon."

LSP is managing Psyche and HALO/PPE launch services.  LSP is not part of Artemis.  If any Falcon Heavy hardware is reused, it would be in support of the Launch Service Program contracted launch services regardless of the program payload.

Also, Lunar Gateway and Human Landing System are all separate contracts and organizations from SLS and Orion.

SLS and Orion launches will have Artemis mission designations.  HALO/PPE on FH will not.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy - Psyche - 39A - August 2022
« Reply #64 on: 06/18/2021 01:37 pm »

Considering the number of FH launches needed for Artemis and Gateway, itís not unreasonable to think they would be used for that program.

What number?  There is only two contracted by NASA as of Now.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy - Psyche - 39A - August 2022
« Reply #65 on: 06/18/2021 01:43 pm »
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The Gateway, a vital component of NASAís Artemis program, will serve as a multi-purpose outpost orbiting the Moon that provides essential support for sustainable, long-term human return to the lunar surface and serve as a staging points for deep space exploration.

Weíre referring to the Artemis Program, not the SLS Artemis missions.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy - Psyche - 39A - August 2022
« Reply #66 on: 06/18/2021 01:55 pm »
https://www.nasa.gov/gateway
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The Gateway, a vital component of NASAís Artemis program, will serve as a multi-purpose outpost orbiting the Moon that provides essential support for sustainable, long-term human return to the lunar surface and serve as a staging points for deep space exploration.


My point still stands.  FH launches are under the LSP umbrella.  FH will be use more for SMD missions than HEOMD missions.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy - Psyche - 39A - August 2022
« Reply #67 on: 06/19/2021 06:26 am »
https://www.nasa.gov/gateway
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The Gateway, a vital component of NASAís Artemis program, will serve as a multi-purpose outpost orbiting the Moon that provides essential support for sustainable, long-term human return to the lunar surface and serve as a staging points for deep space exploration.


My point still stands.  FH launches are under the LSP umbrella.  FH will be use more for SMD missions than HEOMD missions.

Irrelevant for the discussion at hand. Gateway is clearly part of the Artemis program, unless you have a source that states otherwise and has greater authority than the program's own website. A Falcon Heavy launching a Gateway component is therefore supporting the Artemis program, regardless of which specific NASA entity signs the paperwork.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy - Psyche - 39A - August 2022
« Reply #68 on: 06/19/2021 02:21 pm »
A Falcon Heavy launching a Gateway component is therefore supporting the Artemis program, regardless of which specific NASA entity signs the paperwork.

Just to bring things back to Psyche, Iím curious about the decision for all new hardware. And also if weíre going to see triple recovery. That would certainly lower costs for Psyche as well as other future programs.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy - Psyche - 39A - August 2022
« Reply #69 on: 06/19/2021 03:41 pm »
A Falcon Heavy launching a Gateway component is therefore supporting the Artemis program, regardless of which specific NASA entity signs the paperwork.


"Supporting" doesn't cut it.  It is a launch for the Artemis program but it is not an Artemis launch.  It is an LSP launch.


Just to bring things back to Psyche, Iím curious about the decision for all new hardware. And also if weíre going to see triple recovery. That would certainly lower costs for Psyche as well as other future programs.

No it doesn't.  This is a launch service.  The hardware expended or reused on one launch has no bearing on the next.  The prices are already set. 

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Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy - Psyche - 39A - August 2022
« Reply #70 on: 06/19/2021 09:41 pm »
Fully expendable?

edit: center core will be expended apparently (speculation based on the price).
Iím curious about the decision for all new hardware. And also if weíre going to see triple recovery. That would certainly lower costs for Psyche as well as other future programs.

The best way for SpaceX to reduce its costs is for triple recovery. I donít see a need for the center core to be expendable.

It looks like double RTLS booster recovery and a center core ASDS recovery.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy - Psyche - 39A - August 2022
« Reply #71 on: 06/19/2021 09:58 pm »
No it doesn't.  This is a launch service.  The hardware expended or reused on one launch has no bearing on the next.  The prices are already set. 

Are you saying that regardless of whether the boosters are recovered on launch N, it makes no difference for launch N+1, if it wasn't competed by that time?

I thought the LSP prices are not-to-exceed prices, and SpX could adjust their next contract offering based on the recovery status of the previous flight?
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Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy - Psyche - 39A - August 2022
« Reply #72 on: 06/20/2021 01:44 pm »

Are you saying that regardless of whether the boosters are recovered on launch N, it makes no difference for launch N+1, if it wasn't competed by that time?

I thought the LSP prices are not-to-exceed prices, and SpX could adjust their next contract offering based on the recovery status of the previous flight?

The budget always assumes the NTE prices.  And there likely will be 3 or 4 FH on contract before Psyche launches.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy - Psyche - 39A - August 2022
« Reply #73 on: 06/22/2021 12:36 am »
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Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy - Psyche - 39A - August 2022
« Reply #74 on: 09/01/2021 08:32 pm »
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Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy - Psyche - 39A - August 2022
« Reply #75 on: 09/02/2021 08:42 am »
NASA's Psyche spacecraft is captured here on August 18, 2021, in a clean room at the agency's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Southern California Ė in the midst of system integration and test. The mission's launch period opens August 1, 2022. The nitrogen tanks are visible in the center of the spacecraft chassis, encased in red protective "remove before flight" covers. Mounted on the right is the strut tower, which will host the sensors for two of the science instruments Ė the magnetometer and the Gamma Ray and Neutron Spectrometer (GRNS). By spring of 2022, the fully assembled Psyche spacecraft will ship from JPL to NASA's Kennedy Space Center for launch. In early 2026, the spacecraft will arrive at its target, an asteroid of the same name in the main asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. Scientists believe asteroid Psyche, which is about 140 miles (226 kilometers) wide, is made largely of iron and nickel and could be the core of an early planet. The spacecraft will spend 21 months orbiting the asteroid and gathering science data. Besides the magnetometer and the GRNS, Psyche will carry a multispectral imager. The mission also will test a sophisticated new laser communications technology, recently completed by JPL, called Deep Space Optical Communications (DSOC). The technology demonstration will focus on using lasers to enhance communications speeds and prepare for data-intensive transmissions, which could potentially include livestream videos for future missions. Arizona State University leads the mission. JPL is responsible for the mission's overall management, system engineering, integration and testing, and mission operations. Maxar Technologies is providing a high-power solar electric propulsion spacecraft chassis. Psyche is the 14th mission selected as part of NASA's Discovery Program.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy - Psyche - 39A - August 2022
« Reply #76 on: 09/02/2021 10:11 am »
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Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy - Psyche - 39A - August 2022
« Reply #77 on: 09/02/2021 03:30 pm »
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Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy - Psyche - 39A - August 2022
« Reply #78 on: 10/04/2021 01:10 pm »
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