Author Topic: Starship development expectations - Quasi Poll  (Read 1926 times)

Offline crandles57

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I would like to see how people expect development to go so I was wondering about polls for

Which (integrated) flight of Starship will be the first to be fully orbital?
Flight 11
Flight 12
Flight 13
Flight 14
Flight 15
Maybe also flight 10, 16, later, or never for completeness of options.

Which (integrated) flight will be the first where Starship (2nd stage) is recovered?
Flight 12
Flight 13
Flight 14
Flight 15
Flight 16
Flight 17
Maybe also flight 11 or earlier, 18, later, or never for completeness of options.

Which (integrated) flight will be the first where Starship (2nd stage) is reused?
Flight 13
Flight 14
Flight 15
Flight 16
Flight 17
Flight 18
Flight 19
Flight 20
Maybe also flight 12 or earlier, 21, later, or never for completeness of options.

Which (integrated) Starship flight will be the first where ship to ship refueling is attempted?

However maybe requesting 4 such polls is a bit much to ask? So, instead, maybe just comment with 4 numbers for the 4 questions and add any caveats, explanations, and expected dates if you wish?

Eg

orbit, 12, Sept 25
Recover, 13, Nov 25
Reuse, 16, Feb 26
Refuel, 19, June 26

This might seem very optimistic and doesn't leave much room for slippage and still be able to make some attempt at 2026 Mars window. Most are saying window will be missed so presumably majority of answers will have higher flight numbers or later dates, but how much higher/later?

If mods want to move to poll section, or create polls suggested instead, or whatever you think best is fine with me.

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Re: Starship development expectations - Quasi Poll
« Reply #1 on: 06/13/2025 11:07 pm »
I would like to see how people expect development to go so I was wondering about polls for

Which (integrated) flight of Starship will be the first to be fully orbital?
Flight 11
Flight 12
Flight 13
Flight 14
Flight 15
Maybe also flight 10, 16, later, or never for completeness of options.

Which (integrated) flight will be the first where Starship (2nd stage) is recovered?
Flight 12
Flight 13
Flight 14
Flight 15
Flight 16
Flight 17
Maybe also flight 11 or earlier, 18, later, or never for completeness of options.

Which (integrated) flight will be the first where Starship (2nd stage) is reused?
Flight 13
Flight 14
Flight 15
Flight 16
Flight 17
Flight 18
Flight 19
Flight 20
Maybe also flight 12 or earlier, 21, later, or never for completeness of options.

Which (integrated) Starship flight will be the first where ship to ship refueling is attempted?

However maybe requesting 4 such polls is a bit much to ask? So, instead, maybe just comment with 4 numbers for the 4 questions and add any caveats, explanations, and expected dates if you wish?

Eg

orbit, 12, Sept 25
Recover, 13, Nov 25
Reuse, 16, Feb 26
Refuel, 19, June 26

This might seem very optimistic and doesn't leave much room for slippage and still be able to make some attempt at 2026 Mars window. Most are saying window will be missed so presumably majority of answers will have higher flight numbers or later dates, but how much higher/later?

If mods want to move to poll section, or create polls suggested instead, or whatever you think best is fine with me.
Orbit: Flight 11, probably august if flight 10 goes well. Ship catch: Probably flight 12 (ship 38), end of year.
First second stage reuse, flight 17 next year.
Refueling demo probably before second stage reuse.

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Re: Starship development expectations - Quasi Poll
« Reply #2 on: 06/14/2025 12:58 am »
Can I add a catch-all question?

Will the first Mars flight happen in 2026 and use reusable tankers?

0 - Won't happen in 2026
1- No
2 - Yes

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Re: Starship development expectations - Quasi Poll
« Reply #3 on: 06/14/2025 02:26 am »
About 60% chance they launch SOMETHING to Mars. Might not make it.
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Re: Starship development expectations - Quasi Poll
« Reply #4 on: 06/14/2025 03:58 am »
About 60% chance they launch SOMETHING to Mars. Might not make it.
I would consider a successful refueling campaign leading to a good TMI burn to be a good day... 

I would love to see them leaving a ship in high Earth orbit ASAP to test longevity, such a shame we lost all these months on the V2 gremlins.

Hoping there's only a finite supply of them, or that they respawn slowly enough.
« Last Edit: 06/14/2025 04:04 am by meekGee »
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Re: Starship development expectations - Quasi Poll
« Reply #5 on: 06/14/2025 10:30 pm »
Orbit, 15, May 2026
Recover, 17, August 2026
Reuse, 20, December 2026
Refuel, 23, April 2027
No attempted Mars landing in 2026/27.  Not ruling out an Optimus-Starman scenario.

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Re: Starship development expectations - Quasi Poll
« Reply #6 on: 06/14/2025 11:49 pm »
what you wrote makes absolutely no sense at all
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Re: Starship development expectations - Quasi Poll
« Reply #7 on: 06/15/2025 12:05 am »
what you wrote makes absolutely no sense at all
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Re: Starship development expectations - Quasi Poll
« Reply #8 on: 06/15/2025 01:25 am »
what you wrote makes absolutely no sense at all
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Re: Starship development expectations - Quasi Poll
« Reply #9 on: 06/15/2025 09:26 pm »
Orbit 11 Sep-25
Recover 13 Jan-26
Refuel 15 May-26
Reuse 18 Nov-26
No Attempted Mars landing in 26/27
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Re: Starship development expectations - Quasi Poll
« Reply #10 on: 06/16/2025 08:12 am »
Orbit, 11, August 25
Recover, 13, October 25
Refuel, 17, February 26
Reuse, 18, March 26
« Last Edit: 06/16/2025 08:14 am by Yggdrasill »

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Re: Starship development expectations - Quasi Poll
« Reply #11 on: 06/16/2025 03:14 pm »
Orbit, 15, 2026-Jan
Recover, 15
Reuse, 22, 2027-Jan
Refuel, 17, 2026-April

Can I add a catch-all question?

Will the first Mars flight happen in 2026 and use reusable tankers?

0 - Won't happen in 2026
1- No
2 - Yes
3 - In 2026 they will employ reusable tankers to fuel a Mars-ship, but not with enough success/cadence to ever do a Mars transfer insertion

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Re: Starship development expectations - Quasi Poll
« Reply #12 on: 06/20/2025 03:16 am »
Orbit- 12, Feb 26
Recover- 15, Sept 26
Reuse- 19, March 27
Refuel- 18, Feb 27
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Offline AmigaClone

Re: Starship development expectations - Quasi Poll
« Reply #13 on: 06/20/2025 11:43 am »
Earliest I can see these milestones happening.

  Goal   Flight  Date
Orbit  11 Dec 2025
Recover   12 Jan 2026
Reuse  15 Jun 2026
Refuel  16 Aug 2026

(Somewhat) More realistic timeline

  Goal   Flight  Date
Orbit       13 Early 2026
Recover   15 Second quarter 2026
Reuse      19 Late 2026
Refuel      18 Late 2026

If SpaceX is able to store enough fuel at a depot I can see a possible fly-by mission launching in 2026.

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