Author Topic: LIVE: Delta IV Heavy - NROL-15 - June 29, 2012  (Read 213285 times)

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Re: LIVE: Delta IV Heavy - NROL-15 - June 29
« Reply #460 on: 06/30/2012 07:12 am »
News Release Issued: June 29, 2012 6:00 PM EDT

ATK Contributes to Launch of National Security Payload for the National Reconnaissance Office
Multiple ATK sites support United Launch Alliance Delta IV rocket launch
ARLINGTON, Va., June 29, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- ATK (NYSE: ATK) technologies supported today's successful launch of a United Launch Alliance Delta IV rocket carrying a classified satellite (NROL-15) for the National Reconnaissance Office.

ATK designed and produced the nozzle for the Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne (PWR)-built RS-68 first stage engine – the largest hydrogen-powered engine in the world – as well as the nozzle's thermal protection material, which is capable of shielding it from the extreme heat of launch when external temperatures can exceed 4,000 degrees Fahrenheit. The nozzle is manufactured at ATK's Promontory, Utah, facility. The NROL-15 launch represents the first use of the RS-68A engine and nozzle configuration, which provides increased launch capabilities to the Delta IV Heavy vehicle. The RS-68A is a Heavy Upgrade (HUG) version of the RS-68 engine design.  PWR and ATK have worked together over the past several years to successfully develop, design and test this upgrade for use on the HUG missions.

ATK supplied 13 key composite structures for the Delta IV launch vehicle including three thermal shields that house and protect the engines during flight, three centerbody structures that connect the liquid oxygen (LO2) and liquid hydrogen (LH2) tanks, two medium and one heavy skirt on the three Common Booster Cores (CBC), the composite interstage on the center CBC, the nose cones on the two strap-on boosters, and one set of x-panel structures that connect the upper stage LOX tank with the upper stage hydrogen tank.

The composite structures range from four to five meters in diameter and up to eight meters in length. They were produced using advanced hand lay-up, machining, and inspection techniques at ATK's production facility in Iuka, Miss., with additional hardware produced at the Clearfield, Utah facility.

ATK's Commerce, Calif., facility manufactures the Upper Stage Reaction Control System (RCS) propellant tank assembly, which uses an elastomeric diaphragm to dampen fluid motion and limit the shifting of the propellant's center of gravity. It is the current industry standard for launch vehicle RCS tank needs in the United States and has been flight-proven on Delta and Atlas launch vehicles; the Space Shuttle fleet; and interplanetary spacecraft including Pioneer, Voyager, and CASSINI.

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Re: LIVE: Delta IV Heavy - NROL-15 - June 29
« Reply #461 on: 06/30/2012 08:13 am »
A nice set of pix at Spaceflight Now
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/delta/d360/gallery/

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Re: LIVE: Delta IV Heavy - NROL-15 - June 29
« Reply #462 on: 06/30/2012 01:28 pm »
Pratt and Whitney presser out, and says RS-68A, and says developed for NROL-15!

http://www.pw.utc.com/media_center/press_releases/2012/06_jun/06-29-2012_00002.asp

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During hot-fire tests, the RS-68A engine demonstrated the ability to operate for 4,800 seconds of cumulative run time – more than 10 times what’s needed to boost the Delta IV Heavy rocket into space.
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Would it be fair to assume they'd need to replace the ablative on the nozzle between test runs?

cheers, Martin

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Re: LIVE: Delta IV Heavy - NROL-15 - June 29
« Reply #463 on: 06/30/2012 01:34 pm »

Someone asked about MERCURY (the COMINT satellite); my understanding was that the Integrated Overhead SIGINT Architecture plan had merged the two GEO SIGINT programs into one. Of course, that was a while ago, the way bureaucracies work they could easily have become unmerged again.

Could this have been the first  vehicle that truly integrated requirements of both programs?
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Re: LIVE: Delta IV Heavy - NROL-15 - June 29
« Reply #464 on: 06/30/2012 03:37 pm »
look at the top of the article to the right of the Delta symbol
Righto.  I was able to see it after updating my Firefox Flash plug-in.

This is my complaint.  Delta mission numbers are no longer on the vehicles themselves (nor are Atlas numbers, on the newer rockets - the recent AV-023 launch used an older rocket).  The numbers are not in text on the press release, only appearing in a Flash graphic, perhaps by accident.  I'm not seeing press kits with such numbers.  We, who try to catalog this history, are left with dwindling information, and, increasingly, guess-work.

As for me, I'm simply going to stop using the mission numbers, because ULA seems to have largely abandoned them.

 - Ed Kyle
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Re: LIVE: Delta IV Heavy - NROL-15 - June 29
« Reply #465 on: 06/30/2012 06:20 pm »
nor are Atlas numbers, on the newer rockets - the recent AV-023 launch used an older rocket). 

As for me, I'm simply going to stop using the mission numbers, because ULA seems to have largely abandoned them.


Atlas uses them, they are on all the vehicles, just not visible on the 500 series.

The vehicle numbers are used on all the missions documentation.  RBSP will be AV-032.  It is on all the procedures for the mission

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Re: LIVE: Delta IV Heavy - NROL-15 - June 29
« Reply #466 on: 06/30/2012 06:47 pm »
nor are Atlas numbers, on the newer rockets - the recent AV-023 launch used an older rocket). 

As for me, I'm simply going to stop using the mission numbers, because ULA seems to have largely abandoned them.


Atlas uses them, they are on all the vehicles, just not visible on the 500 series.
Look at AV-028, AV-030, etc, and other 500-series vehicle.  They had vehicle numbers on the interstage.  This year, the numbers disappeared, except for AV-023, which was an older rocket that had been waiting around for its payload, apparently.
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The vehicle numbers are used on all the missions documentation.  RBSP will be AV-032.  It is on all the procedures for the mission
Terrific, but of no use to outside observers.  The numbers would be helpful in the press kits or other public documents.  It is much easier to discuss a rocket or a mission by such an  identification.

I'm wondering about this because mission or vehicle numbers always were, for decades, part of the total launch story, part of the information presented to the press. 

 - Ed Kyle

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Re: LIVE: Delta IV Heavy - NROL-15 - June 29
« Reply #467 on: 07/01/2012 12:10 am »
Wow, what a leviathan!
Great comments and discussion even if this isn't the PARTY thread!
;)
Re: RS68A.  It seemed as though there was much less ablating occuring through the burn, especially mid/late.  May just be my untrained eye...
Then again those mach diamonds seemed more pronounced too.
One engine consumes 1,495 pounds of fuel+oxidizer per second--half again more than the RS25.

Chris, I suspect the PARTY thread for EFT-1 will be less active--most of the people here will be there (CCAFS) for a real party!  Woot!

Congrats to PWR, ULA and all for this!
EDIT:  misheard the call, it is closer 1,600 pounds per second...and considering one engine at partial thrust.
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Re: LIVE: Delta IV Heavy - NROL-15 - June 29
« Reply #468 on: 07/01/2012 12:40 am »
Pratt and Whitney presser out, and says RS-68A, and says developed for NROL-15!

http://www.pw.utc.com/media_center/press_releases/2012/06_jun/06-29-2012_00002.asp

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During hot-fire tests, the RS-68A engine demonstrated the ability to operate for 4,800 seconds of cumulative run time – more than 10 times what’s needed to boost the Delta IV Heavy rocket into space.
...

Would it be fair to assume they'd need to replace the ablative on the nozzle between test runs?

cheers, Martin

Good question, and from the RS-68A thread,

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=28771.30

I saw a reference to the second test engine running "more than 2,900 seconds over a series  of 12 tests."
This equates to about four minutes av per test, so one must assume they replace the ablative material.  But as I just speculated on less ablation, it appears nozzle/materials improvements are part of this uprating.
Disclaimer:  I'm not a rocket scientist.

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Re: LIVE: Delta IV Heavy - NROL-15 - June 29
« Reply #469 on: 07/01/2012 06:58 am »
USSTRATCOM has apparently reserved 2 catalog numbers for objects in orbit from this launch (38528 & 38529). At this time the next available number is 38550.

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Re: LIVE: Delta IV Heavy - NROL-15 - June 29
« Reply #470 on: 07/01/2012 03:17 pm »
Upper stage not deorbited?
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Re: LIVE: Delta IV Heavy - NROL-15 - June 29
« Reply #471 on: 07/01/2012 03:21 pm »
Upper stage not deorbited?

As the upper stage performed (most likely) the insertion into (near) GEO for the payload, it not possible to do that.

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Re: LIVE: Delta IV Heavy - NROL-15 - June 29
« Reply #472 on: 07/02/2012 08:11 am »
USSTRATCOM has apparently reserved 2 catalog numbers for objects in orbit from this launch (38528 & 38529). At this time the next available number is 38550.
Catalog numbers confirmed
 38528     USA 237            2012-034A
38529     DELTA 4 R/B     2012-034B

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Re: LIVE: Delta IV Heavy - NROL-15 - June 29
« Reply #473 on: 07/03/2012 07:52 am »
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Re: LIVE: Delta IV Heavy - NROL-15 - June 29
« Reply #474 on: 07/14/2012 06:03 pm »
A development:

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(4) Bright unknown geostationary found very low on eastern horizon. Since it doesnt match anything reasonably confident its related to the
NROL-15 launch. Unable to secure further observations due to cloud.
Thank you, Greg! Those are our first observations of what must be the payload of NROL-15.

Interesting discussion in the remainder of the message.
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Re: LIVE: Delta IV Heavy - NROL-15 - June 29
« Reply #475 on: 07/14/2012 11:19 pm »
If you can see it (bright) then it's a decoy right?

I wouldn't think so in this case just because so much was spent on upgrading the launch vehicle.

Has to be the one spacecraft imo.  8)

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Re: LIVE: Delta IV Heavy - NROL-15 - June 29
« Reply #476 on: 07/15/2012 11:56 am »
A development:

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http://www.satobs.org/seesat/Jul-2012/0188.html
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(4) Bright unknown geostationary found very low on eastern horizon. Since it doesnt match anything reasonably confident its related to the
NROL-15 launch. Unable to secure further observations due to cloud.
Thank you, Greg! Those are our first observations of what must be the payload of NROL-15.

Interesting discussion in the remainder of the message.

Occam's razor in this situation would say that it is a redesignated vehicle  and not the silliness he has come up with, which is on par with some of the ideas the lunar hoaxers have put forth.
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Re: LIVE: Delta IV Heavy - NROL-15 - June 29
« Reply #477 on: 07/15/2012 04:31 pm »
Occam's razor in this situation would say that it is a redesignated vehicle  and not the silliness he has come up with.

What he says in the message is (emphasis added),
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Its brightness is also consistent with my highly speculative pre-launch guess of a GEO decoy to cover for a Misty that would have ended up in a LEO ~35 deg orbit, but that proves nothing. Unless the Misty is spotted and identified, or some convincing clue is found in the GEO object's orbital or optical behavior, the heavy SIGINT hypothesis will prevail. Until recently, an explanation that would support the heavy SIGINT hypothesis eluded me, but I believe I have made some progress.

NROL-15 seems mysterious due to the need to upgrade the Delta IV-Heavy's main engines to launch it, and the apparent ~11 year delay in launching it, based on its NROL number. There is also the fact that that three Mentors were launched in the interim, one on a Titan IVB, two on Delta IV-Heavy with standard main engines. It made little sense for a heavier version to have been planned to precede them to orbit. But much of the mystery would vanish if the launch were not actually delayed by a decade. What if the NROL-15 designation had originally been assigned to a different payload that was cancelled, and later re-assigned to the present payload? Supporting evidence may be found in NROL-1, which almost certainly is an example of a re-assigned NROL designator. I hope to provide a more detailed outline in the near future.

Do you think that his currently preferred heavy Sigint hypothesis is silly?  And how does his idea that the NROL-15 designation might have been reassigned from an earlier, cancelled mission differ from your suggestion?
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Re: LIVE: Delta IV Heavy - NROL-15 - June 29
« Reply #478 on: 07/15/2012 05:45 pm »
1.  Its brightness is also consistent with my highly speculative pre-launch guess of a GEO decoy to cover for a Misty that would have ended up in a LEO ~35 deg orbit, but that proves nothing.

2.   Until recently, an explanation that would support the heavy SIGINT hypothesis eluded me, but I believe I have made some progress.

3.  NROL-15 seems mysterious due to the need to upgrade the Delta IV-Heavy's main engines to launch it, and the apparent ~11 year delay in launching it, based on its NROL number.

1.  This is what I mean is ludicrous.  To even come up with this scenario, when it is simpler to explain that numbers were reassigned.

2.  Why not just an upgrade to the spacecraft that has been in the planning for a while. 

3.  Not so much when the explanation can be so simple.

Example, GPS-IIF was being integrated onto EELV's while GPS-IIR's were flying on Delta II's.
« Last Edit: 07/15/2012 05:54 pm by Jim »

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Re: LIVE: Delta IV Heavy - NROL-15 - June 29
« Reply #479 on: 07/15/2012 08:19 pm »
This entire notion that they spent tremendous dollar figures and time developing the capability to launch a "decoy", and nevermind this scenario of launching into both LEO with a high inclination and GEO with a low one (where do I even begin) for the sole purpose of fooling people, is even beyond just ludicrous. They are not in the business of deploying decoys to fool the amateurs.

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