Boeing has always been pretty honest about their bleak assessment of the business case without NASA. They are in it for the money, nothing more. That isn't a bad thing either. If we are going to have commercial space flight than companies need to be motivated for commercial and not ideological reasons.
Boeing needs to spend less on lobbyists and less time gouging the American people and more time putting it's fine engineers to the task of expanding humanity's reach.
One could say that SpaceX are in the game for ideological reasons.. Colonize Mars.
Quote from: IslandPlaya on 06/17/2014 07:16 pmOne could say that SpaceX are in the game for ideological reasons.. Colonize Mars. SpaceX is in the game because Elon has a boatload of money so he can build cool toys and fly rockets. Boeing is a commercial company. Since when does either have a mandate to save humanity?
Jim, if I found you injured in the road I would help you. It would be of no benefit to me, however it would be the right thing to do. More so, we would both benefit subsequently.That is why Boeing should grow a pair. Dare I say it, like SpaceX.As always IMHO.
I didn't mention the 787. Maybe because of its great cost is why Boeing wants to gouge the USG (and hence people) for HSF and launches.
one is about shareholders dividends.
Don’t hold the wake just yet folks... Boeing and its acquired companies have built every human rated spacecraft in US history.
Quote from: Rocket Science on 06/17/2014 08:02 pmDon’t hold the wake just yet folks... Boeing and its acquired companies have built every human rated spacecraft in US history.Except the Lunar module (Grumman) and now, Orion(LM).
Quote from: Prober on 06/17/2014 04:39 pmQuote from: Coastal Ron on 06/17/2014 04:27 pmI don't think too much can be read into the WARN notices except that the people working on the CST-100 don't have immediate alternative internal job opportunities if they aren't awarded a CCtCap contract.you can read into it the truth, the program was built on sandy soil. Remember "commercial" was to be a partner in the costs, and help carry the program. When SpaceX says the taxpayer is covering 80% of the costs of Dragon, & this announcement it just goes show the programs problems. Just sayingIt also shows Boeing has little faith in Bigelow and is unwilling to continue development on the CST-100 on it's own dime. Both SpaceX and SNC have stated they will keep development going.
Quote from: Coastal Ron on 06/17/2014 04:27 pmI don't think too much can be read into the WARN notices except that the people working on the CST-100 don't have immediate alternative internal job opportunities if they aren't awarded a CCtCap contract.you can read into it the truth, the program was built on sandy soil. Remember "commercial" was to be a partner in the costs, and help carry the program. When SpaceX says the taxpayer is covering 80% of the costs of Dragon, & this announcement it just goes show the programs problems. Just saying
I don't think too much can be read into the WARN notices except that the people working on the CST-100 don't have immediate alternative internal job opportunities if they aren't awarded a CCtCap contract.
Would Boeing notice as much as a company if they lost out here compared to say Space X?
New Space and Old Space...It's pretty obvious you Old Space guys don't like the prospect of the status-quo being disturbed.
Quote from: IslandPlaya on 06/17/2014 08:17 pmNew Space and Old Space...It's pretty obvious you Old Space guys don't like the prospect of the status-quo being disturbed.It has nothing to do with New Space and Old Space. Spacex is an exception but all New Space companies are looking to make a buck and not expanding humanity's reach.
Quote from: Star One on 06/17/2014 07:15 pmWould Boeing notice as much as a company if they lost out here compared to say Space X?Boeing's space operations make up less than 1% of the company's revenue. And that includes CST-100, rockets, satellites, etc.