1) Don't believe any of the pricing info you think you know, especially on Dragon+Falcon.
Why not? SpaceX has signed a contract with NASA for its CRS deliveries that anyone can access that lists the prices per Dragon+Falcon mission exactly in line with what we think we know.
Quote from: sublimemarsupial on 06/19/2014 06:20 pmWhy not? SpaceX has signed a contract with NASA for its CRS deliveries that anyone can access that lists the prices per Dragon+Falcon mission exactly in line with what we think we know.The prices are redacted in the public releases of the CRS contracts
I though the combined prices for all the launches in the CRS contracts (per provider) are known. NASA has ordered eight flights valued at about $1.9 billion from Orbital and 12 flights valued at about $1.6 billion from SpaceX. Not sure what is unknown here...
Quote from: Elmar Moelzer on 06/19/2014 07:16 pmI though the combined prices for all the launches in the CRS contracts (per provider) are known. NASA has ordered eight flights valued at about $1.9 billion from Orbital and 12 flights valued at about $1.6 billion from SpaceX. Not sure what is unknown here...That was the maximum price, the actual per mission (per kg) is not known
So if we sum thing up...Boeing & SpaceX both have pressure hulls built, plus a couple of mock ups.Would that be agreeable?
How so?I think SpaceX's considerable lead has been eaten up by all this v2 nonsense. I think that was by nefarious design.
Indeed Falcon and Dragon are quite different from the COTS-D proposal and what Elon talked about before the Augustine committee. Of course they still thought parachutes were the way to go back then too.
They'll never get back the years they've wasted developing the SuperDracos.
Quote from: QuantumG on 06/20/2014 09:05 amThey'll never get back the years they've wasted developing the SuperDracos.Then propose how they would abort without SuperDracos.
It sounds like they are head to head and I think they are not. That Dragon V2 is well advanced from the "pressure hull" stage.
Quote from: guckyfan on 06/20/2014 01:58 amIt sounds like they are head to head and I think they are not. That Dragon V2 is well advanced from the "pressure hull" stage.Isn't CST? They revealed the pressure hull three years ago, I can't imagine they haven't done anything with it since.
The toxic propellant at landing is definitely an issue.