Author Topic: FAILED: ALOS-3 - H3 TF-1 (H3-22S) - Tanegashima LC-Y2 - 7 March 2023 (01:37 UTC)  (Read 47967 times)

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This feels like the japanese "Flight 501", this is terrible, hopefully MMX will be able to launch for its 2024 window.

The odd SS-520 aside, Japan usually had luck with maiden launches for the past half-century.


The upper stage does not seem to be really the same as before, it has a larger diameter than the HII familly's and a whole new version of the LE-5B engine that never flew before.

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This feels like the japanese "Flight 501", this is terrible, hopefully MMX will be able to launch for its 2024 window.

The odd SS-520 aside, Japan usually had luck with maiden launches for the past half-century.


The upper stage does not seem to be really the same as before, it has a larger diameter than the HII familly's and a whole new version of the LE-5B engine that never flew before.

It looks LE-5B has never failed in missions before. Expander Bleed Cycle is also relatively easy to ignite according to previous research paper. Very interested to know what happened to the second stage.

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This feels like the japanese "Flight 501", this is terrible, hopefully MMX will be able to launch for its 2024 window.

The odd SS-520 aside, Japan usually had luck with maiden launches for the past half-century.


The upper stage does not seem to be really the same as before, it has a larger diameter than the HII familly's and a whole new version of the LE-5B engine that never flew before.

I think it was more likely to japanese "Flight V63", in which the cryogenic HM7B rocket engine aboard Ariane 4 also failed to ignite.

"Flight 501" would be more related if H3 failure was caused by a software bug.

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https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1633324693418659851

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Major yikes. I guess I didn't quite realize that Japan put a satellite valued at more than a quarter of a billion dollars on the debut flight of the H3 rocket. That's pretty damn bold.

twitter.com/cosmic_penguin/status/1633309521925001216

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Looks like JAXA & gov.’s rationale of putting an $280m major Earth observation mission on a (in @NASA_LSP’s terms) “uncertified” launch vehicle is getting a lot of backlashes, even ex-astronaut Soichi Noguchi is questioning it now:

https://twitter.com/astro_soichi/status/1633275898932903936

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#H3ロケット失敗 is hit, but #JAXA let's do our best. In the first place, why is it necessary to put a practical satellite on the test machine? The first H2A after the destruction of H28 was a dummy satellite. H3 5 billion #だいち3号 38 billion, so it's a risk hedge. Next time, why don't you slowly investigate the cause so as not to put pressure on Mr. Okada and make it "Karauchi"?
« Last Edit: 03/08/2023 04:53 am by FutureSpaceTourist »

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This feels like the japanese "Flight 501", this is terrible, hopefully MMX will be able to launch for its 2024 window.

The odd SS-520 aside, Japan usually had luck with maiden launches for the past half-century.


The upper stage does not seem to be really the same as before, it has a larger diameter than the HII familly's and a whole new version of the LE-5B engine that never flew before.

I think it was more likely to japanese "Flight V63", in which the cryogenic HM7B rocket engine aboard Ariane 4 also failed to ignite.

"Flight 501" would be more related if H3 failure was caused by a software bug.

V63 HM7B Successfully ignited and failed after 81 seconds due to overheating in the Oxygen pump bearing causing a fire.

And I meant this as a failure of a maiden launch of a ambitious new rocket carrying an expensive satellite, and a failure which doesn’t seem to be stress-related.

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Interesting that both the aborted launch attempt and the ultimate launch failure appear to have electrical or electronic causes.

 - Ed Kyle

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Not to invite undue speculation, but very shortly after SRB separation, it appeared that the vehicle began to tumble.

Did anyone catch that? As it has two new engines, a thrust-vector issue might be a problem.

Here's a good view of the dogleg through a photographer's view:

https://twitter.com/makkisse999/status/1633475441913909250

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Here is the TF-1 webcast telemetry, interpolated where necessary.


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« Last Edit: 05/25/2023 05:44 am by FutureSpaceTourist »
Best quote heard during an inspection, "I was unaware that I was the only one who was aware."

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« Last Edit: 05/25/2023 05:45 am by FutureSpaceTourist »
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Additional investigation updates have been given out today. Key points (as much as I could pick out) below:

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from the last tweet:
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 機体電気系統含めた変更点
 H3ロケットでは第2段の制御系を冗長構成(A系/B系)にしている。
 H-IIAロケットは機器はシングル構成であるが、機器間のラインを冗長にしている。電力分配器
(PDB2)に下流機器の電圧・電流の異常検知機能はない。
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 Changes including aircraft electrical system
 In the H3 launch vehicle, the second stage control system has a redundant configuration (system A/system B).
The H-IIA launch vehicle has a single configuration, but the lines between the devices are redundant. power distributor
(PDB2) does not have a function to detect anomalies in the voltage and current of downstream equipment.

So it could be that the "anomaly" that causes both power supply on the H-3  to shut down has already occurred on H-IIA, but the power supply on H-IIA isn't shutting down as a result?
« Last Edit: 05/25/2023 05:45 am by FutureSpaceTourist »

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Additional updates to the investigation so far

* Not too much in-roads has been made so far (a few fringe scenarios were eliminated, lots of tests still upcoming including another stage separation test to see if that causes 2nd stage short circuits)

* Possible commodity failure scenarios with the existing H-IIA were either rejected or now have specific mitigation recommendations listed, clearing the last 4 H-IIA launches for flight
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Thanks for all the investigation updates.

Please remove long tweet chains when quoting posts. It only takes a few more seconds to edit and makes the thread page much shorter and quicker to load.

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